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What makes Canada, the USA, Australia, New Zealand, Israel and the former South Africa really special from other states?

Let me try to explain this by explaining how Canada works.

Canada is not a culture or language. It isn't a set of values or principles. It isn't a social project or a religious community.

Canada is, and always has been, a weigh station for international capital. International money, often based in Canada or working in Canada, find opportunities for skimming cash through the elimination of traditional local cultures and traditions.

Once the possibility for easily skimmed cash is spotted by international capital, our Canadian political establishment get to work right away explaining to people why 1. This is the future 2. This will benefit everyone eventually 3. You will be better off with international capital's project

Then the Canadian establishment get to work on education campaigns, special assistance grants, local job creation... whatever it takes to diffuse local resentment while the local culture is destroyed to skim more money for international capital.

When international capital runs out of ways to skim money off of the citizens of Canada, they get our governments to manipulate us into killing poor foreigners to "open up" opportunities overseas (for international capital).

That's basically all the Canada is: propaganda and adaptation-programs that help international capital exploit the shit out of the land that former international corporations stole from the previous locals.

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Heisenberg wrote:Let me condense all of that into five words. Ready?

"Canada is a capitalist country".

Oh but much more than that.

Canada is a country formed by capitalism-driven genocides. That's the essence of what it is.

It was created to destroy local cultures, and continues to do this to this day. It uses its sharp culture-destroying claws overseas as well, and for the same reason: resource exploitation.

That it's made up of a Genocidal Elite is important in world affairs. Canada will genocide for as long as it exists. It is a cancer on the Earth's crust.

And so are a few other countries...

kobe wrote:To whit, the USA and Canada in particular are interesting because their formation began as corporations looking for places to colonize based on the charter of a King. So they were some of the very first experiments of LLC's. Same as India.

No Kobe. There was already Indian culture before capitalism started manufacturing fake cultures. The problem with the cultures of America, Australia, and the Middle East is that they weren't willing slaves for foreign capital.

That's why the locals had to be holocausted. And there were hundreds of nations that were destroyed to create what we have now in North America: brainwashed products of commercial propaganda and the experimental housing of suburbia.

Most nations were able to resit some of capitalism's worst excesses because they had a culture. But the nations I listed above were created out of thin air by eradicating local cultures and replacing them with corporate dupes. And mafia vassals.

That's the type of countries they are.

I feel like Qatz recently half-read the first chapter of the Communist Manifesto and is trying to pass it off as his own insight at a college house party.

Marx and Engels wrote:The bourgeoisie, historically, has played a most revolutionary part.

The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his “natural superiors”, and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous “cash payment”. It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervour, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom — Free Trade. In one word, for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation.

The bourgeoisie has stripped of its halo every occupation hitherto honoured and looked up to with reverent awe. It has converted the physician, the lawyer, the priest, the poet, the man of science, into its paid wage labourers.

The bourgeoisie has torn away from the family its sentimental veil, and has reduced the family relation to a mere money relation.

The bourgeoisie has disclosed how it came to pass that the brutal display of vigour in the Middle Ages, which reactionaries so much admire, found its fitting complement in the most slothful indolence. It has been the first to show what man’s activity can bring about. It has accomplished wonders far surpassing Egyptian pyramids, Roman aqueducts, and Gothic cathedrals; it has conducted expeditions that put in the shade all former Exoduses of nations and crusades.

The bourgeoisie cannot exist without constantly revolutionising the instruments of production, and thereby the relations of production, and with them the whole relations of society. Conservation of the old modes of production in unaltered form, was, on the contrary, the first condition of existence for all earlier industrial classes. Constant revolutionising of production, uninterrupted disturbance of all social conditions, everlasting uncertainty and agitation distinguish the bourgeois epoch from all earlier ones. All fixed, fast-frozen relations, with their train of ancient and venerable prejudices and opinions, are swept away, all new-formed ones become antiquated before they can ossify. All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses his real conditions of life, and his relations with his kind.
Heisenberg wrote:I feel like Qatz recently half-read the first chapter of the Communist Manifesto and is trying to pass it off as his own insight at a college house party.

Not at all.

I appreciate your inclusion of a citation from Marx, but what I'm really after here is a definition of the "special" status in human history of post-genocide resource-exploitations states with fake cultures like the one I live in.

Where in Europe, it's often difficult to manipulate the masses into changing their behavior to suit commerce, in bourgois-capitalism-created entities the masses are delivered to the means of production with absolutely no cultural baggage - other than the emotional taboos and manipulation that capitalist media has saturated their fake environments with.

Marx couldn't see the coming of the dummy suburbs or mass brainwashing. He thought the working class would rise up BEFORE the wealthy controlling classes castrated their brains.

Or do you have another quote that demonstrates that he saw both manufactured ignorance (via suburban isolation) and emotional brainwashing (through entertainment) coming?
USA - clusterfuck
Canada - like USA, but more kept together
No Kobe. There was already Indian culture before capitalism started manufacturing fake cultures. The problem with the cultures of America, Australia, and the Middle East is that they weren't willing slaves for foreign capital.

How is Britain conquering India any different than the Mughal Empire which had reigned in India? Do you realize that Britain sent not even ten thousand troops to conquer tens of millions of Indians? And how? Because they willingly fought against each other. There was a lot of bad blood in India before the British ever got there.

Although you do have a great point. Servitude was kind of written into the culture of India long before the British got there. The Indian caste system was an especially useful form of social control, since it essentially mirrored the British people's own prejudice (light skin = good, dark skin = bad).

The Native American and tribal peoples of the Middle East had no concept of ownership over peoples or land in the same sense that the British did, and their economies were not based on mass amounts of trade but rather ecological synergy with the land that they resided on or lands they migrated between.
I dunno, the British tactics in the New World were the same Cromwell and the Tudors used in Ireland. They tried to ethnically cleanse the areas and even establish a reservation for the natives and all of that.

The problem was that they didn't have smallpox in their arsenal like they did in be Americas.

I tend to agree that this is just simple capitalism. The French were no better in Haiti than the British were in Virginia.

And more than that, these were things that people had opposed on the ground. The system, however, could not be stopped.
Kobe wrote:How is Britain conquering India any different than the Mughal Empire which had reigned in India?

There are tons of difference. For starters there was no colonial relation, no host nation for appropriated wealth to go. Mughals were an Indianized dynasty just like Yuan and Qing in China.

Saying that British colonialism was just "business as usual" is such an old rightist argument in defence of colonialism.

The Indian caste system was an especially useful form of social control, since it essentially mirrored the British people's own prejudice (light skin = good, dark skin = bad).

Caste system is not related to skin colour.
Heisenberg wrote:Let me condense all of that into five words. Ready?

"Canada is a capitalist country".

Add colonial to that sentence, and it pretty much sums it up, yup.

Plus Canada didn't even need to BECOME capitalist. It was literally founded in capitalism.
yiwahikanak wrote:Add colonial to that sentence, and it pretty much sums it up, yup.

Plus Canada didn't even need to BECOME capitalist. It was literally founded in capitalism.

I wouldn't even call Canada "colonial." It's too fancy a word for what really was a weigh station for corporations looking to destroy cultures to "clear" the country for rabid exploitation of every kind. "Colonial" makes it sound like there was a cultural and educational meeting of peoples and a third thing created by this force. But in anglo-Canada, this didn't happen. No new culture emerged. This was just raw capital "planting" different ethnicities stretegically on the landscape so that no common shared values could emerge.

Nattering Nabob wrote:Hell hath no fury like a Francophone scorned...

Hundreds of years later their descendants will still be fighting the war...

Kind of like the CSA...

Funny, but the French weren't big on war. The side that was big on war has a war culture, and with the brutality that being a war culture gave them, they kept winning and winning.

And the Anglosphere is still a major element in a coalition that promotes non-stop wars, so it's not a good idea to jump up and cheer when talking about how the Anglo elements in 18th Century North America couldn't tolerate any other culture, and ethnic cleansed hundreds of nations clear across the continent.

Calling this "colonial" is too kind.
Qatz has a point. With the very few exceptions below, France has never been at war.

Battle of Pontlevoy
Norman rule in Southern Italy
Battle of Cannae
Battle of Olivento
Battle of Civitate
Siege of Capua
Duchy of Normandy
Battle of Val-ès-Dunes
Battle of Mortemer
Battle of Varaville
Byzantine–Norman wars
Siege of Bari
Battle of Dyrrhachium
Sack of Thessalonica (1185)
Siege of Barbastro
Battle of Cutanda
Breton–Norman War
Battle of Dinan
Battle of Pouancé
Battle of Segré
Norman conquest of England
Battle of Hastings
Siege of Exeter
Rebellion of 1088
First Crusade
Siege of Xerigordon
Battle of Civetot
Siege of Nicaea
Battle of Dorylaeum
Siege of Antioch
Siege of Ma'arra
Siege of Jerusalem
Battle of Ascalon
Seljuk–Crusader War
Siege of Nicaea
Battle of Dorylaeum
Siege of Antioch
Siege of Ma'arra
Battle of Melitene
Crusade of 1101
Battle of Mersivan
First Battle of Heraclea
Second Battle of Heraclea
Battle of Ramla (1101)
Battle of Ramla (1102)
Siege of Tripoli
Battle of Harran
Battle of Artah
Battle of Ramla (1105)
Norwegian Crusade
Siege of Sidon
Battle of Shaizar
Battle of Al-Sannabra
Battle of Sarmin
Battle of Ager Sanguinis
Battle of Hab
Battle of Azaz
Battle of Marj al-Saffar
Fatimid–Crusader War
Siege of Jerusalem
Battle of Ascalon
Battle of Ramla (1101)
Battle of Ramla (1102)
Battle of Ramla (1105)
Battle of Yibneh
Siege of Ascalon
Crusader invasions of Egypt
Battle of al-Babein
1113–15 Balearic Islands expedition
Zengid–Crusader War
Battle of Ba'rin
Siege of Edessa
Battle of Bosra
Siege of Damascus
Battle of Inab
Battle of Aintab
Crusader invasions of Egypt
Battle of Lake Huleh
Battle of al-Buqaia
Battle of Harim
Siege of Shaizar
Second Crusade
Siege of Lisbon
Battle of Ephesus
Battle of the Meander
Battle of Mount Cadmus
Siege of Damascus
Siege of Bilbeis
Capture of Bilbeis
Siege of Damietta (1169)
Ayyubid–Crusader War
Battle of Montgisard
Battle of Marj Ayyun
Battle of Jacob's Ford
Battle of Belvoir Castle
Battle of Al-Fule
Siege of Kerak
Battle of Cresson
Battle of Hattin
Siege of Jerusalem
Siege of Tyre
Siege of Acre
Battle of Arsuf
Third Crusade
Siege of Acre
Battle of Arsuf
Fourth Crusade
Battle of the Olive Grove of Koundouros
Albigensian Crusade
Battle of Muret
Fifth Crusade
Seventh Crusade
Siege of Damietta (1249)
Battle of Al Mansurah
Battle of Fariskur
Eighth Crusade
Ninth Crusade
Aragonese Crusade
Mahdian Crusade
Battle of Nicopolis
Norman England vs France conflicts
Conquest of Normandy
Battle of Tinchebray
Battle of Brémule
Battle of Gisors
Baussenque Wars
War of the First Coalition
Campaigns of 1792
Battle of Valmy
Battle of Jemappes
Campaigns of 1793
Battle of Neerwinden
Battle of Hondshoote
Siege of Toulon
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Battle of Boulou
Battle of Tourcoing
Battle of Fleurus
Battle of Platzberg
Battle of Aldenhoven
Battle of San-Lorenzo de la Muga
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Battle of Mondovì
Battle of Lodi
Battle of Amberg
Battle of Arcole
Campaigns of 1797
Battle of Rivoli
Battle of Neuwied
Battle of Diersheim
War of the Second Coalition
Campaigns of 1798
Battle of the Pyramids
Battle of the Nile
Campaigns of 1799
Siege of Jaffa
Battle of Cassano
Siege of Acre
Battle of Mount Tabor
First Battle of Zürich
Battle of Trebia
Battle of Abukir
Battle of Novi
Second Battle of Zürich
Battle of Bergen
Campaigns of 1800
Siege of Genoa
Battle of Engen
Battle of Möerskirch
Battle of Marengo
Battle of Hohenlinden
Campaigns of 1801
War in the Vendée
Siege of Lyon
Peasants' War (1798)
Irish Rebellion of 1798
Napoleonic FranceEdit
Capture of Gorée
Larache expedition
Haitian Revolution
Saint-Domingue expedition
Battle of Ravine-à-Couleuvres
Battle of Crête-à-Pierrot
Blockade of Saint-Domingue
Battle of Vertières
French occupation of Santo Domingo
Franco-Trarzan War of 1825
French rule in Algeria
Invasion of Algiers
Battle of Macta
Siege of Constantine
Battle of Mazagran
Battle of the Smala
Battle of Sidi Brahim
Pacification of Algeria
First Franco-Moroccan War
Bombardment of Tangiers
Battle of Isly
Bombardment of Mogador
Franco-Tahitian War (1844–47)
Siege of Medina Fort
Bombardment of Tourane
French conquest of Senegal
Cochinchina Campaign
Taiping Rebellion
French intervention in Mexico
Battle of Puebla
Battle of Barranca Seca
Battle of San Pablo del Monte
Battle of Camarón
Battle of San Juan Bautista
Capture of Mazatlán
Battle of Acapulco
Battle of San Pedro
Franco-Japanese relations
Bombardment of Shimonoseki
French campaign against Korea (1866)
French conquest of Tunisia
Mandingo Wars
First Madagascar expedition
Sino-French War
Battle of Foochow
Kep Campaign
Battle of Shipu
Battle of Zhenhai
Lạng Sơn Campaign
Siege of Tuyên Quang
Battle of Hòa Mộc
Battle of Phu Lam Tao
Battle of Bang Bo
Retreat from Lạng Sơn
Pescadores Campaign
Tonkin Campaign
Pacification of Tonkin
Franco-Dahomean Wars
First Franco-Dahomean War
Second Franco-Dahomean War
Battle of Abomey
Franco-Siamese War
Second Madagascar expedition
Voulet–Chanoine Mission
Ouaddai War
French conquest of Morocco
Zaian War
Battle of El Herri
Volta-Bani War
Kaocen Revolt
French Mandate for Syria and the Lebanon
Battle of Maysalun
Capture of Damascus (1920)
Rif War
War of the Hoe Handle
Franco-Thai War
Battle of Ko Chang
War in Vietnam (1945–46)
First Indochina War
Battle of Hanoi
Battle of Cao Bằng
Operation Papillon
Operation Lea
Operation Ceinture
Battle of Đông Khê
Battle of Route Coloniale 4
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Battle of Mạo Khê
Battle of the Day River
Battle of Hòa Bình
Operation Lorraine
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Operation Bretagne
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Battle of Muong Khoua
Operation Camargue
Operation Hirondelle
Operation Brochet
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Operation Castor
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Battle of Mang Yang Pass
Malagasy Uprising
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Cameroun war
Bizerte crisis
Battle of Bailén
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Battle of Vimeiro
Battle of Pancorbo
Battle of Valmaseda
Battle of Burgos
Battle of Espinosa de los Monteros
Battle of Tudela
Battle of Somosierra
Second Siege of Zaragoza
Battle of Corunna
Battle of Villafranca (1809)
Battle of Ciudad Real
Battle of Medellín
First Battle of Porto
Siege of Gerona
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Battle of Fuentes de Oñoro
Battle of Albuera
Siege of Badajoz
Battle of Salamanca
Battle of Vitoria
Battle of Sorauren
Battle of Orthez
Dano-Swedish War of 1808–09
Finnish War
French invasion of Russia
Battle of Ostrovno
Battle of Klyastitsy
Battle of Smolensk
First Battle of Polotsk
Battle of Valutino
Battle of Borodino
Battle of Tarutino
Battle of Maloyaroslavets
Second Battle of Polotsk
Battle of Czasniki
Battle of Vyazma
Battle of Smoliani
Battle of Krasnoi
Battle of Berezina
War of the Sixth Coalition
Battle of Lützen
Battle of Bautzen
Siege of Hamburg
Battle of Großbeeren
Battle of Katzbach
Battle of Dresden
Battle of Kulm
Battle of Dennewitz
Battle of Leipzig
Battle of Hanau
Battle of La Rothière
Battle of the Mincio River
Six Days' Campaign
Battle of Champaubert
Algerian War
Toussaint Rouge
Battle of Philippeville
Battle of Algiers
Battle of Agounennda
Operation Jumelles
Algiers putsch of 1961
Battle of Bab El Oued
Modern periodEdit
French intervention in Spain
Battle of Trocadero
Greek War of Independence
Battle of Navarino
Morea expedition
Belgian Revolution
Ten Days' Campaign
Siege of Antwerp (1832)
Carlist Wars
First Carlist War
Pastry War
Battle of San Juan de Ulúa
Anglo-French blockade of the Río de la Plata
Battle of Vuelta de Obligado
Crimean War
Battle of Bomarsund
Siege of Petropavlovsk
Battle of Alma
Battle of Balaclava
Battle of Inkerman
Battle of Eupatoria
Siege of Taganrog
Battle of Chernaya River
Siege of Taganrog
Siege of Sevastopol
Battle of Malakoff
Battle of Kinburn (1855)
Second Opium War
Battle of Canton (1856)
Battle of Canton (1857)
Battle of Taku Forts (1858)
Battle of Taku Forts (1859)
Battle of Taku Forts (1860)
Battle of Zhangjiawan
Battle of Palikao
Franco-Austrian War
Battle of Montebello
Battle of Palestro
Battle of Magenta
Battle of Solferino
Battle of Aspromonte
Battle of Mentana
Franco-Prussian War
Battle of Worth
Battle of Mars-La-Tour
Battle of Gravelotte
Siege of Metz
Battle of Sedan
Battle of Havana (1870)
Siege of Paris
Siege of Belfort
Boxer Rebellion
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Battle of Mulhouse
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Ruhr invasion
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Operation Dragoon
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Colmar Pocket
Invasion of Germany
Black Forest
Eastern Front (World War II)
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Battle of Dakar
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Syria–Lebanon Campaign
Battle of the Atlantic
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Second French Indochina Campaign
Operation Tiderace
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Suez Crisis
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Shaba II
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Opération Lamantin
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1983 Beirut barracks bombing
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Opération Daguet
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Battle of Vrbanja Bridge
Operation Deliberate Force
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Operation Moshtarak
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Haitian rebellion
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Operation Atalanta
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Sinjar offensive
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Al-Karmah offensive (2015)
Yes, The Immortal Goon, but besides those things, when has France ever been at war?
This reminds me so much of this...
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