[Pants-of-dog]

Do you have some sort of argument to make?

[Julian658]

Do you have some sort of argument to make?

I understand this is a touchy subject. And often mentioning facts is seen as racist. And left wingers would feel very uncomfortable discussing this. The default position would be that the reason the stats are what they are is racism.

The issue is: IN England these criminals are second or 3rd generation kids from migrants.

[Pants-of-dog]

Again, there seems to be no argument in your posts.

Are you arguing for a specific cause for these stats?

[Julian658]

Again, there seems to be no argument in your posts.

Are you arguing for a specific cause for these stats?

OK, if these folks have never migrated to the UK the murder by knife problem would not exist or be very minimal..
However, the problem is not the skin color. The problem is poverty and memes of violence pass from generation to generation.
Nevertheless, one could say the problem goes back to migration.

I understand why you rather not discuss the issue.

[Pants-of-dog]

OK, if these folks have never migrated to the UK the murder by knife problem would not exist or be very minimal..

Please provide evidence for this claim.

[Julian658]

Please provide evidence for this claim.

The sun is at the center of the our planetary system. I will provide evidence later.

BTW, the BBC is a far left network.

[Pants-of-dog]

So you have no evidence.

Even if we assume that, for example, two thirds of all convictions for knife possession are black or ethnic defendants, that would still leave one third of all convictions for knife possession as white people.

So that would also prove your argument wrong.

[Rancid]

I wonder what it feels like to get stabbed.

[Julian658]

So you have no evidence.

Even if we assume that, for example, two thirds of all convictions for knife possession are black or ethnic defendants, that would still leave one third of all convictions for knife possession as white people.

So that would also prove your argument wrong.

Are you saying that 100% of the knife crimes have to be related to black people? Otherwise, you do not buy the argument?

[Julian658]

I wonder what it feels like to get stabbed.

POD produces amazing guitar sounds.

[Palmyrene]

Statist authoritarian countries like every single other country in the world.

EDIT: @Julian658

Your mom produces amazing guitar sounds.

[Pants-of-dog]

Are you saying that 100% of the knife crimes have to be related to black people? Otherwise, you do not buy the argument?

If your argument is that there would be no knife violence if there were no immigrants, then you are saying that all knife violence is due to immigrants.

Is this what you are arguing?

If not, what are you arguing?

[Godstud]

Julian658 is trying to make a racist argument while trying desperately not to appear racist.

[Julian658]

Julian658 is trying to make a racist argument while trying desperately not to appear racist.

I don't think the argument is racist. BUt, yes, I am trying very hard to avoid the illusion of racism. The majority of the knife crime is related to black people. It there a way to discuss this without appearing racist? Should I do like the left? Pretend is not an issue? Or say it is fake news?

[Pants-of-dog]

The majority of the knife crime is related to black people.

Please provide evidence for this claim.

[Julian658]

Please provide evidence for this claim.

I will be happy to do so. But, first you must provide evidence that the Earth is not flat.

[Palmyrene]

I will be happy to do so. But, first you must provide evidence that the Earth is not flat.

Are you sarcastic or serious?

[Pants-of-dog]

I will be happy to do so.

I doubt it.

Anyway, do you mean in London? Or England and Wales? Or the US and Canada?

Do you mean all knife crime, or simply possession of a knife, or knife homicide? All three have been brought up in this thread so far.

And when you say that the crime is related to black people, do you mean that black people are the perpetrators, or you also counting victims of knife violence?

Do you mean people of African descent, all people of colour, only recent immigrants, or what?

[Sivad]

I wonder what it feels like to get stabbed.

It burns. Intense burning sensation.

[QatzelOk]

Qatz is sort of a dick (actually I like the guy), but this thread includes a lot of reactionaries, reflexively attacking him.

Yes, but by reading the opinions and looking at what else has been attacked, you can get a better idea of the type of countries the USA and Canada are.

Summary of last three pages
(names changed to protect the innocent)

Black IQ, and poor choices are to blame for black poverty/murder, etc

French Canadians, when they earned half of what Anglo-Canadians earn (up to 1950), also had much higher incidence of all kinds of negative social phenomena. Now that they're both equal, it doesn't.
But racism is easier and less costly to the 1% than social improvement, so that's what USA-Canada promote.

London is like this. London is like that.

In a thread about USA-Canada, it's appropriate that the original sorcerer be mentioned.
Also, rather than discussing USA-Canada, local colonists like to obsess about how much better (or more relevant) things are in London. This is boorish and sort of stupid, but talking about glamorous foreign cities keeps us from looking at what shitty world citizens our own countries are.

Immigration and multiculturalism are excellent and unstoppable.

Well, if you're trying to "grow your economy," then this is probably true. But, of course, growing an economy (or population) is suicidal, and only a 1%er could think this was actually a positive thing. But USA-Canada trains its poor dupes to think like the 1%, even when this type of thinking is dumb and self-harming for the other 99.