[Pants-of-dog]

Anyone who speaks French is francophone.

The Montagnais are francophone, and they are native.

You have been exposed to Anglo culture for too long to think clearly about ethnicity, POD.

Many Mohawks seem to think that 'English' is a native language just like you do.

This is part of the reason I don't watch what North Americans call 'Entertainment': I don't think brainwashing is a substitute for a culture. Of course, most Canadians and their southern neighbors would disagree.

As long as we agree that you are taking part in cultural genocide exactly as the Anglos do.

[QatzelOk]

As long as we agree that you are taking part in cultural genocide exactly as the Anglos do.

Quebec francophone culture is pretty well the only one in North America that hasn't been ethnic-cleansed by the anglosphere. The original First Nations of North America were stabilized (from terrible warfare) by a treaty signed in Montreal in 1701. International relations, instead of smallpox blankeys.

Today's nations of Canada and the USA are the result of the Anglo groups tearing up all those treaties because the business interests that ran them couldn't tolerate any other culture on the continent. Quebec only survived as a fluke of historical timing.

Your relentless and trite Modern victim narrative doesn't tarnish the hope that is offered by that earlier cultural interface between the francophones and the First Nations.

By contrast, Canada and the USA are 100% corporate and militaristic, with no respect for the long-term maintenance of resources or cultures.

[Pants-of-dog]

Quebec francophone culture is pretty well the only one in North America that hasn't been ethnic-cleansed by the anglosphere. The original First Nations of North America were stabilized (from terrible warfare) by a treaty signed in Montreal in 1701. International relations, instead of smallpox blankeys.

Depends what you mean by "ethnic cleansed".

If you mean a systematic genocide, then you are wrong. Most indigenous people died of disease., not because the Anglos meant to do it. It was poor hygiene rather than military strategy that was responsible. The smallpox blanket meme has one dubious historical source.

If you are talking about cultural genocide, where people systematically tried to destroy indigenous cultures, then we can say that the Anglos failed because the indigenous people are still here.

Mind you, I am referring to the residential school system which has recently been described as cultural genocide, and which Quebec also took part in.

Today's nations of Canada and the USA are the result of the Anglo groups tearing up all those treaties because the business interests that ran them couldn't tolerate any other culture on the continent. Quebec only survived as a fluke of historical timing.

And Quebec is the result of the Francophone groups tearing up all those treaties because the business interests that ran them couldn't tolerate any other culture on the continent.

Your relentless and trite Modern victim narrative doesn't tarnish the hope that is offered by that earlier cultural interface between the francophones and the First Nations.

By contrast, Canada and the USA are 100% corporate and militaristic, with no respect for the long-term maintenance of resources or cultures.

When the Francophones first arrived, you know what they did?

They begged the indigenous people to keep them alive. And then they stole their land.

[QatzelOk]

If you mean a systematic genocide, then you are wrong. Most indigenous people died of disease., not because the Anglos meant to do it. It was poor hygiene rather than military strategy that was responsible. The smallpox blanket meme has one dubious historical source.

Most Natives died of diseases, and were not systematically ethnic-cleansed? Most of the Cherokee died of foot callouses because they had the habit of walking 6000 km to stay in shape?

And Quebec is the result of the Francophone groups tearing up all those treaties because the business interests that ran them couldn't tolerate any other culture on the continent.

Like I said earlier, it was the French who brought 40 native nations together to sign an intercultural peace treaty. In 1701.

When the Francophones first arrived, you know what they did?
They begged the indigenous people to keep them alive. And then they stole their land.

The first francophones to arrive were the Acadians. The first wave isolated themselves and most of them died of scurvy. The later waves of francphones to Acadia formed a partnership with the local Mi'kmaq. Which is why the Anglos ethnic-cleansed the Acadians, and then used the same systemic cultural destruction methodology on all the natives.

If you look at a map of North America, you can plainly see who stole all the land. It's all either British or American. NO OTHER NATIONS ARE ALLOWED

[Pants-of-dog]

Most Natives died of diseases, and were not systematically ethnic-cleansed?

Yes.

Most of the Cherokee died of foot callouses because they had the habit of walking 6000 km to stay in shape?

Moving goalposts.

Like I said earlier, it was the French who brought 40 native nations together to sign an intercultural peace treaty. In 1701.

Anglos also signed treaties. The mere act of signing a treaty is not indicative of goodwill.

If you look at a map of North America, you can plainly see who stole all the land. It's all either British or American. NO OTHER NATIONS ARE ALLOWED

Really? I live in North America, in a place called Quebec, where the vast majority speak French and celebrate a distinct culture that has been recognised as such. The Quebecois (correctly) think of themselves as a nation, and Canada also recognises Quebec as a distinct nation.

Maybe you've heard of Quebec?

[Ganeshas Rat]

The first francophones to arrive were the Acadians. The first wave isolated themselves and most of them died of scurvy. The later waves of francphones to Acadia formed a partnership with the local Mi'kmaq.

Yeah. Don't they know the way of French colonization is cooperation? They start with a hardy pioneer and rise alarm among Indians only at half the rate of other European nations.

[terrapinsfan]

The English speaking people of the UK, US, Australia, Canada, Ireland, and New Zealand have every right to be proud of their achievements. Are we perfect? No. Have we done some pretty shitty things? Yes. We will continue to support each other moving forward and form closer ties, even if our enemies would like to drive a stake through our alliances.

I still believe that when you look at our entire history, our achievements and contributions are undeniable. Are we special or are we a chosen people? No. I do worry about what we are becoming and about some of the bone headed mistakes we continue to make.

The fact that the OP included Israel in the list reveals his true motives and message.

[QatzelOk]

The English speaking people of the UK, US, Australia, Canada, Ireland, and New Zealand have every right to be proud of their achievements.
...
The fact that the OP included Israel in the list reveals his true motives and message.

Aren't you equally proud of Israel's ongoing achievements?

Those Palestinians don't seem to have much immunity to Smallpox either.

[terrapinsfan]

Aren't you equally proud of Israel's ongoing achievements?

Those Palestinians don't seem to have much immunity to Smallpox either.

No, I personally do not have anything to do with Israel. We talked about Zionism in a Conspiracy Theory thread so your position there is clear. I don't really care about your Smallpox narrative either, it's not really relevant to current events.

[The Immortal Goon]

Everyone realizes you're arguing with Qatz, who rejects the principle of a fact.

He feels like something is true, even if it can be proven wrong, and so to him it's true.

[QatzelOk]

TIG, what's really interesting about 'facts' is how easy it is to build a lie out of them.
Look what tobacco companies did with 'facts' a few decades ago: 'Most doctors who smoke choose Camels."
Which was meant to suggest that they were a healthy product. I think POD went that route in this thread.

And all the trolling and tangential 'facts' (about Cambodia)... they demonstrate how the Anglosphere has always dealt with its poison by-products. Total denial, which is validated by American mass media. Our nations might be involved in ethnic-cleansing, theft, and mass murder RIGHT NOW, but if they are, we don't want to know about it. Tell us about what's happening in Tibet or North Korea instead. We find that more entertaining.

Why can't you guys actually try to answer the OP question: What type of countries are the USA and Canada?

[Godstud]

Look what tobacco companies did with 'facts' a few decades ago: 'Most doctors who smoke choose Camels."

Wrong. They took the lack of facts and used them. When the facts presented themselves, the industry had to change. You are presenting a false interpretation of reality.

And all the trolling and tangential 'facts' (about Canada)... they demonstrate how the francosphere has always dealt with its poison by-products. Total denial, which is validated by me, Qatzelok.

Fixed.

The only one in denial, is you. You seeking to demonize anglo-saxons, while praising francophones is so much tripe, and double-speak.

Why do you mention Cambodia? You are, of course, aware that the French colonized and fucked over a whole boatload of others. You praising French colonialism is exactly the same as buying into the modern mass media, that you claim to despise. You can stop the sanctimony, already.

[terrapinsfan]

Godstud is easily my favorite poster on this forum.

[QatzelOk]

Godstud is easily my favorite poster on this forum.

This is what passes for political discussion in Canada and the USA.

You seeking to demonize anglo-saxons, while praising francophones is so much tripe, and double-speak.

The question the OP asks is "What kinds of countries are Canada and the USA?"
We all know Canada ethnic-cleansed the Acadians, ethnic-cleansed the Metis, and then herded the natives and inuit into ethnic ghettos called "reservations."

No praise for francophones on this thread. Only a lucid look at the types of "countries" the corporate creations of North America have turned out to be.

Hint: The inability to criticize these two political constructs is a product of your brainwashing. We aren't allowed to think about or talk about our own history, and how this might affect what we are right now.

If only the Soviets had discovered mass media brainwashing first. There'd be lineups for bread all the way to the moon.

[Godstud]

I never denied that the British in Canada did those things, Qatzelok. Acadians and Metis still exist in Canada, so I suppose those genocides failed. There never was a genocide, if you want to be perfectly honest. This was, at the time, simply how countries expanded and colonized(French included). That doesn't make it right, of course, but the French retained their culture because of the Anglos(who even set up laws to protect their culture), not despite it. They also attempted, albeit weakly, to do so for the indigenous populations.

You are aware that the American Revolution was also spurred on by the British giving the indigenous people land rights(like the Proclamation of 1763 thus prohibiting settlement beyond the Appalachian Mountains) and thus preventing the colonies from expanding inland, right? It wasn't simply about taxation.

Qatzelok, you're the one who brought up how the French coexisted so well with everyone(one small group for a very small period of time, due to interests, not because they had to). Demonstrating that it was a falsehood was necessary to deconstruct your mountain of text that sought to rewrite historic facts. French were not liberators, but conquerors, imperialists and colonists that sought to live their own culture, and not to become one with the native populations.

American and the US are two very large countries molded by their histories. Their cultures are alike, but at the same time, different. The culture of Quebec is also alike, but different, but it'd be a shame to point out all the similarities to someone so supremely brainwashed into a superiority complex by the francophone culture.

[terrapinsfan]

This is what passes for political discussion in Canada and the USA.

Please don't tell me that you think all of your posts are profound and insightful . Most of them are just Anti-Anglo drivel. Jealousy is very ugly and will shorten your life. I can understand why the French and French Canadians are jealous of us. If you compare our accomplishments and current status, it's not even close. Of course most of the French are thankful that we saved their asses from the Germans. Many view us as a young country that still has a lot to learn and I can agree with that.

I also don't understand what you hope to accomplish by constantly talking about the past and all of the terrible things that the Canadians and Americans have supposedly done. The Smallpox garbage is really idiotic. It makes more sense to talk about the present and what you think is wrong with us now. So go ahead and unload if it makes you feel better. It's obvious that it's based in jealousy.

I'm curious, are you active in advocating for Quebec independence?

[QatzelOk]

... but the French retained their culture because of the Anglos(who even set up laws to protect their culture), not despite it. They also attempted, albeit weakly, to do so for the indigenous populations.

The West of Canada was metis until it was intentionally ethnic-cleansed by English Canada. It was a two-part ethnic cleansing. The french language was taken out of schools, and non-francophone settlers were brought in from places like the Ukraine, to destroy the metis culture. Also, the premier of Saskatchewan actually hired American KKK to terrorize the remaining metis there.

In Acadia, my father went to school when it was illegal to teach French. This was 200 years AFTER the English put the Acadians onto boats to die.

Your knowledge of history seems to end at those Heritage Minutes, and a few rides at Disney World, Godstud.

The English speakers of North America tried to kill francophone and native cultures for many centuries. It hurts to admit this, but Canada was the model for South African apartheid. Canada is a mineral-extraction and corporate PR agency... and that's about all. It's sort of pathetic that English-Canadians have no culture or distinct features of their own. But this was by DESIGN. We're just supposed to work in mines and forests for foreign multinationals.

[Godstud]

Your knowledge of history seems to end at those Heritage Minutes, and a few rides at Disney World, Godstud.

Your knowledge seems to be mostly pulled out of your ass, or a manipulation of the actual facts(things you hate because they contradict the bullshit you spew), simply to support your 'French are great' meme.

In 1867, the Constitution Act was thought to meet the growing calls for Canadian autonomy while avoiding the overly strong decentralization that contributed to the Civil War in the United States. The compromises reached during this time between the English- and French-speaking Fathers of Confederation set Canada on a path to bilingualism which in turn contributed to an acceptance of diversity. The English and French languages have had limited constitutional protection since 1867 and full official status since 1969. Section 133 of the Constitution Act of 1867 (BNA Act) guarantees that both languages may be used in the Parliament of Canada.[35] Canada adopted its first Official Languages Act in 1969, giving English and French equal status in the government of Canada.[36] Doing so makes them "official" languages, having preferred status in law over all other languages used in Canada.


The only war on culture is Quebec's ongoing war against the English language.
http://world.time.com/2013/04/08/quebec ... -province/

[The Immortal Goon]

Also, that model of the sympathetic whites that natives just loved giving their women and land to before the evil English speakers came in isn't a strictly Canadian narrative. That would be true of most of the west of the U.S. too, if it were true.

Of course, Qatz can't make that distinction because the only important thing is that we acknowledge his own benefitting from genocide as somehow wonderful. If the American West had a similar history to the Canadian West (and there was really no true border until absurdly late), than that's one more thing that makes Qatz less of a special snowflake we should adore. Covered in native blood, descended from rapists, profiteers, and murderers, Qatz sits on a throne of native skulls and demands we tell him how wonderful he is to the natives because of the blood on our hands.

When pointing out that we at least acknowledge the horror inflicted to make the quality of life, he refuses to do so, and instead claims we're brainwashed for not praising him as the only white North American to have never benefitted at all from the actions of other whites.

Poor Qatz...somewhere on a reservation without electricity or power, natives about to lose their language say, "What about that poor white man in the giant white city? Why do people he talks to on the internet think of us? Why won't anyone consider his suffering?

[QatzelOk]

In 1867, the Constitution Act was thought to meet the growing calls for Canadian autonomy while avoiding the overly strong decentralization that contributed to the Civil War in the United States. The compromises reached during this time between the English- and French-speaking Fathers of Confederation set Canada on a path to bilingualism which in turn contributed to an acceptance of diversity. The English and French languages have had limited constitutional protection since 1867 and full official status since 1969.

Thanks for that Heritage Second, Godstud. The writing of a constitution went well and everyone was happy?

Meanwhile, there have been three huge tomes written about what Nazis the Anglos were in Canada: x

Lester paints a radically different picture of the “just and tolerant” Canada. Chronicling events as diverse as the expulsion of Acadians, the corrupt and unfair trial of Louis Riel, the closing of French schools in Canada, and ruthless and relentless anti-Francophone media campaigns by major Anglophone newspapers, Lester’s incendiary voice and ethical force issue a loud call for a more balanced national historical narrative.

Have you read this book (I read the first two tomes), or have you only gotten your "history" from the industry-fabricated blurbs between car commercials on TV?

There's also Anglaid by Michel Brule, translated into many languages including Japanese - if you're into more incendiary narrative voices.