[ArtAllm]

So you're still a Trumpist basically

Sorry, but this was an idiotic statement. As Trump himself admitted in his rallies, he was just riding a wave. He did not invent anything, he just implemented what Pat Buchanan and other decent intellectuals advocated 25 years ago.

So, as already said, Trump was just a vehicle, he is dispensable.

It was obvious to everyone with a half of a brain at least that Trump was a conman in one way or another.

No, Trump was not a conman, he really believed that if he is elected, then he really has the power to change things.

He did not know how powerful the Deep State is.
He believed that it is possible to be a friend of the Israel Lobby, and at the same time serve the interests of Americans.

Now he knows better...


“If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it.”
(Mark Twain)

What any American with half a brain can see know: American democracy is just a decoration, the President is just a puppet, the real power belongs to people that were never elected.

It seems that there cannot be a smooth transition of power back to Americans via an election.

Trump promised, that after his election the Government will do what is in the interests of the Normies, and that is a lie, that is impossible in the USA with its corrupt political system.

[Stormsmith]

@ArtAllm

If you were unaware of Trump's propensity to lie and his complete lack of knowledge then you must either not watch the news or only watch FOX, and missed the debates, entirely.

[ArtAllm]

Nobody could have ever known Trump was a liar.

I think that most people, who supported Trump or voted for him, knew that he may not deliver what he promised, even if he himself sincerely believed that he would be able to change things.

But there was no alternative to Trump, so it was reasonable to give Trump a chance, because Killary was such an obvioius disaster!

In a nutshell: It was the right thing to vote for the things Trump intended to do, but it is foolish to pretend that Trump sticks to what he has promised or that he can do anything with people he had chosen into his government.

Trump is now useless, people who voted for him should just realise that and look for other solutions.

If his voters just blindly support him, despite his treachery, then they are as stupid, as the supporters of Killary.

[Beren]

Sorry, but this was an idiotic statement.

Sorry for being confused, but that kind of flip-flopping you recently make always makes me puzzled. I just can't decide if Trump is a hero or a traitor now and I also wonder whether how you actually feel about him. He could make a great poker player it seems (he obviously has an affiliation towards the casino business), but he's rather fooling half America instead. The beauty of the whole thing is that you people still pretend to be serious and claim to be taken seriously!

[ArtAllm]

Sorry for being confused, but that kind of flip-flopping you recently make always makes me puzzled. I just can't decide if Trump is a hero or a traitor now and I also wonder whether how you actually feel about him.

I repeated many times that Trump was just riding a wave. He did a lot of good things even before he was elected, if he did what he promised, then he would be a hero, no doubt about it. But he was basically just a vehicle, a tool to achieve a goal, a step in the right direction.

Killary would be a step in the wrong direction, so the election of Trump was a victory, despite the fact that he cannot keep what he promised.

Now it is obvious that he cannot deliver, he was forced to become a traitor, and that means that he is now useless for people who voted for his policy.

Is it rocket science to understand these simple things?

[Beren]

Is it rocket science to understand these simple things?

What is hard to understand is why you bother to explain yourself so much? How much time and effort did it take to botch up that theory about Trump and persuade yourself it works? Then you come here to spread it while playing smart and serious. Now I stop here because I don't want to be moderated again.

[ArtAllm]

What is hard to understand is why you bother to explain yourself so much?

What?
You ask a question, and then you say why I bother to answer your question?

Are you trilling?

[Beren]

What?
You ask a question, and then you say why I bother to answer your question?

Are you trilling?

I asked a rhetorical question and lolled, then you grabbed the opportunity to explain your little theory about Trump. The only thing it explains though is that you're totally confused by him.

Also, it was you who responded to me first.

[Drlee]

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here was no better candidate, than Trump.

Yes there was. All of the republicans in the primary in addition to Sanders and Clinton.

It would have been even more idiotic to vote for Killary, because she was already a known dishonest and corrupt person and a cold-blooded killer.

All of this is complete nonsense made up from whole cloth by her opponents. You have fallen for the "crooked Hillary" mantra. Don't worry. A lot of very stupid people did too.

Trump was not a politician, so there was no reason to think that he was dishonest. And he probably really wanted to make America great again.

Of course he was a politician. It was a completely inexperienced one and that shows now. Will he get better? That depends on whether he is smart enough to get rid of the sycophants and hire some smart people.

But how can you be a servant of the Globalist Lobby and at the same time make America Great again?

Here is where you and many of my right wing friends fell off of the wagon. You believed the absolute nonsense that the US is not "great". That entire notion is full of shit and the rest of the world knows it.

We are the largest economy in the world. Once the UK leaves we will even be larger than the entire EU combined. Our military is transcendentally strong. We are absolutely the only nation in the world that (absent the use of nuclear weapons) can project its power world wide. Our unemployment rate is at near full-employment rates. Our currency is very strong and our capital markets the place others come to invest. Our universities are unparalleled. Eight of the top 10 Universities in the world are in the US. 20 of the 25 top universities in the world are in the US. 7 of the top 10 universities in physics are in the US including the top 4. We are 6th in the world in median income and the ones richer have small populations and vast natural resources. We are nearly self-sufficient in oil and very rich in natural resources. We are at peace at home and have been for over 150 years. We are, in every conceivable way, the last superpower.

Yet you and some really ignorant people let themselves be convinced that we are in collapse. Clearly we need some tweaking. We need to spread the wealth around. We need to fix our health care system. (Not destroy it only for the benefit of the very wealthy.) We have a race problem. We could use some infrastructure improvements and we need to fix social security. (This can be done very easily without cutting a single benefit.) But by and large we are just fine and getting better.

Those who call themselves conservative are suffering from an intelligence deficit. They have been willfully distracted from conservative ideals and have literally sold themselves out to business. Business that does not give one shit about them except as far as they are customers or cheap laborers.

So please do not tell me that you did not have an alternative. You are smart enough (I hope) to know better than that. You have been duped by the republican party from the start. Trump was just the last man standing.

And remember that I am a lifelong republican and a conservative. I will be happy to back up all of this and tell you 10 easy things Trump can do to be a great president. None of which he has done yet. We he really hasn't done anything yet. But he is, after all, still in training.

[colliric]

Trump like W... demonstrates profound political ignorance.

Remember when W made a mistake (Oops) and invaded Iraq under false pretenses (lies)? Well, that war benefitted a lot of very rich people.

And so will all the Oops mistakes of the current clown-in-chief. These "mistakes" are just a way of marketing American policy atrocities to a gullible public.

His political ignorance is a positive normative attribute. I mean most of your Presidents have only been semi-competent at best anyway, including Kennedy(too soon?). I mean the last guy was a real hoot to watch from afar! Gosh he was terrible...

Followed on from W and somehow managed to look overall worse. I mean his Presidency ended in the ascendency of Donald Trump for goodness sake.

[MistyTiger]

Trump like W... demonstrates profound political ignorance.

Remember when W made a mistake (Oops) and invaded Iraq under false pretenses (lies)? Well, that war benefitted a lot of very rich people.

And so will all the Oops mistakes of the current clown-in-chief. These "mistakes" are just a way of marketing American policy atrocities to a gullible public.

Perhaps W invaded Iraq due to a personal vendetta and even if he had been given more solid evidence, he still would have insisted on barging into Iraq and toppling over that fugly Saddam statue. Did anyone care that he had Halliburton on his team? I wonder...I do not recall.

Trump is worse than W. He needs a huge tranquilizer and then we should ask Mel Gibson to read him his rights, "You have the right to remain unconscious." I love that line from the Lethal Weapons series.

[colliric]

Perhaps W invaded Iraq due to a personal vendetta and even if he had been given more solid evidence, he still would have insisted on barging into Iraq and toppling over that fugly Saddam statue. Did anyone care that he had Halliburton on his team? I wonder...I do not recall.

Trump is worse than W. He needs a huge tranquilizer and then we should ask Mel Gibson to read him his rights, "You have the right to remain unconscious." I love that line from the Lethal Weapons series.

Doubt you'd have much success, Mel is a Republican and most likely voted Trump...

Too much Australiana left in him I guess.

Best film is still Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior...

[Stormsmith]

The easiest way to improve the economy is to give people a "living" wage. Those at the bottom will spend every dime.
The easiest way to raise people out of poverty is through higher education. These people will then pay more income tax, retire on their own dime and spend more money.
The cheapest way of ensuring a healthy workforce is through a single payer system.

The Dems would be getting you this stuff now.

[colliric]

The easiest way to improve the economy is to give people a "living" wage. Those at the bottom will spend every dime.

Yes, this however creates a Welfare state, high unemployment and ultimately damages the economy. Pay people a "living wage", and alot of them will naturally(and I'm not judging them here because mostly it will be unintentional, as in if asked to they would look for work), dole bludge not looking for work.

The easiest way to raise people out of poverty is through higher education. These people will then pay more income tax, retire on their own dime and spend more money.

Forcing them into work will also achieve the same results and most likely quicker(because of the whole "several years to finish higher education" thing). The easiest way to raise people out of poverty is through giving them a job they can do well at. Sometimes it involves education, sometimes not. A productive individual will strive to do better, and then pay for more education too. My point is need to encourage both.

The cheapest way of ensuring a healthy workforce is through a single payer system.

The Dems would be getting you this stuff now.

No, they couldn't be assed expanding your own already existing Medicare program to every citizen.... They instead fucked the whole thing up with this stupid fucking "Obamacare" instead.

They will never get you any of "this stuff".

They need to get some guts and not go for halfassed Obamacare shit. Who cares if it ain't gonna pass a Republican congress, keep pushing it till it does!

Trump will do better on healthcare. May not push "Medicare for all", but will create a better "current stupid fucked up system" for you. Will still be fucked, but at least will be a step in the right direction.

[Drlee]

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es, this however creates a Welfare state, high unemployment and ultimately damages the economy. Pay people a "living wage", and alot of them will naturally(and I'm not judging them here because mostly it will be unintentional, as in if asked to they would look for work), dole bludge not looking for work.

This is simply untrue. The richest 5 states in the world are welfare states.

Next question....

[QatzelOk]

Yes, this however creates a Welfare state, high unemployment and ultimately damages the economy. Pay people a "living wage", and alot of them will naturally(and I'm not judging them here because mostly it will be unintentional, as in if asked to they would look for work), dole bludge not looking for work.

But the richest humans already have a guaranteed wage, and it's much much higher than it needs to be.

Are you suggesting that the rich are also harming the economy because they don't have to work really, really hard for their money? If so, I agree. But in the meantime, the most just thing to do is to make everyone work equally hard for equal amounts of money. This would quickly eliminate the do-nothing rich from the economy and let working people have their hours cut to about 25 hours per week - allowing them to raise their children properly and have healthy social lives.

Or are you just "punishing the poor" like most American "idealists?"

[Stormsmith]

Yes, this however creates a Welfare state, high unemployment and ultimately damages the economy. Pay people a "living wage", and alot of them will naturally(and I'm not judging them here because mostly it will be unintentional, as in if asked to they would look for work), dole bludge not looking for work.

I see Dr Lee answered this. I will add, when people are inadequately paid, they tend to commit crimes, depend on food banks, and food stamps. There's your welfare state

Forcing them into work will also achieve the same results and most likely quicker(because of the whole "several years to finish higher education" thing). The easiest way to raise people out of poverty is through giving them a job they can do well at. Sometimes it involves education, sometimes not. A productive individual will strive to do better, and then pay for more education too. My point is need to encourage both.

Nobody going to get rich at my McDonald's, my dear. Agreed, apprenticeships are very good, but that doesn't mean an affordable education isn't. The reason apprenticeships and careers in IT, nursing, etc. are good is because they pay well, but not everyone can afford an education or can be hired an apprenticeship. They wind up working for subpar wages, and that's flat out wrong.
When the wealthiest company on earth urges employees to apply for food stamps, that's just plain wrong. 21st century slavery.

No, they couldn't be assed expanding your own already existing Medicare program to every citizen.... They instead fucked the whole thing up with this stupid fucking "Obamacare" instead.

They will never get you any of "this stuff".

They need to get some guts and not go for halfassed Obamacare shit. Who cares if it ain't gonna pass a Republican congress, keep pushing it till it does!

Trump will do better on healthcare. May not push "Medicare for all", but will create a better "current stupid fucked up system" for you. Will still be fucked, but at least will be a step in the right direction.

Both Hillary and Bernie advocated single payer systems. Now Americans have learned a lot more about health care and have had a taste of it, they'll demand it.

[Rugoz]

We are the largest economy in the world. Once the UK leaves we will even be larger than the entire EU combined. Our military is transcendentally strong. We are absolutely the only nation in the world that (absent the use of nuclear weapons) can project its power world wide. Our unemployment rate is at near full-employment rates. Our currency is very strong and our capital markets the place others come to invest. Our universities are unparalleled. Eight of the top 10 Universities in the world are in the US. 20 of the 25 top universities in the world are in the US. 7 of the top 10 universities in physics are in the US including the top 4. We are 6th in the world in median income and the ones richer have small populations and vast natural resources. We are nearly self-sufficient in oil and very rich in natural resources. We are at peace at home and have been for over 150 years. We are, in every conceivable way, the last superpower.

Of course one can easily see a downside to most of these points. World's strongest military but expensive and fighting useless wars abroad. Full employment (note that every economy not in recession is at "full employment") but sinking labor participation. Top ranked universities, but (apart from being English-speaking) due to elite concentration and very high student fees which allows them to hire scientists from abroad.
Moreover, while America is undeniably still the "greatest country", it's less dominant than 50 years ago, relatively speaking.

[colliric]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... peech.html

That'll buy alot of chocolate cakes and rich rounds at the Golf course.

[Beren]

The U.S. is in a very dangerous condition: it's still extremely powerful as well as it's clearly in crisis, and the whole thing manifests itself in the Trump presidency.