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Donald Trump loves superlatives: words like "biggest," "best," and "greatest" pepper many of his statements, whether at a microphone or on Twitter. But a recent poll lends him another, less attractive superlative: the lowest favorability rating of any incoming president in at least 40 years.

That's what a new ABC News-Washington Post poll shows, with only 40 percent of Americans currently viewing Donald Trump favorably and 54 percent unfavorably. That's the lowest favorability for any incoming president since at least Jimmy Carter in 1977 in that poll. (Carter is the earliest data the poll presented). The next-lowest performer on this measure was George W. Bush in 2001, and his favorability rating was 16 points higher than Trump's currently is.

A new CNN/ORC poll bolsters this finding, showing Trump with 44 percent favorability (along with 53 percent unfavorability). (A Pew poll from last month had him at an even lower 37 percent.)

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Americans have a similarly dismal view of his transition — in both polls, only 40 percent of Americans said they approve of how Trump is handing his transition.

According to the ABC-Washington Post data, that is likewise far lower than other recent presidents. George H.W. Bush, Clinton, and Obama all had transition approvals of 80 percent or higher. Even the relatively unpopular George W. Bush received 72 percent approval of his transition, according to the ABC-Washington Post data. (The CNN poll likewise found that only 40 percent of Americans approve of how the president-elect is handling the transition.)

Trump himself, of course, isn't pleased with the latest numbers, and used his favorite social media platform to voice his disapproval on Tuesday morning:

Ironically, that kind of complaining about poll numbers may be helping to drive those poll numbers lower. Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain raised this as a possibility on Tuesday.

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"I think you can assume that it is because he seems to want to engage with every windmill that he can find, rather than focus on a large aspect of assuming the most important position on earth," he told CNN's Chris Cuomo. "And, obviously, apparently, according to the polls, many Americans are not happy with that approach, when he has not even assumed the presidency."

The tweeting itself hasn't endeared Trump to many Americans. A recent Quinnipiac poll found that almost two-thirds of American voters believed that "Trump should close his personal Twitter account." Even Republicans were about evenly split, with 49 percent saying he should close the @realDonaldTrump account, compared to 45 percent who disagreed.

Even this relatively low favorability, though, is an improvement over Trump's mid-campaign lows. As of April 2016, Trump's favorability was only at about 28 percent, according to averages from RealClearPolitics. That average also trended upward after election day, when it was 37.5 percent, though it has leveled off since mid-December, settling at just above 42 as of today.

And Trump still won. What's more, however ugly Trump's numbers may be, he may take some small comfort that when he takes office, his administration won't be the most unpopular institution in Washington — Congress' approval rating is currently at 14 percent.

And that Congress, controlled by Republicans, gives him wide latitude in starting out on policy.

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Yea, everything must be rigged. And you people whine about precious little snowflakes.
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Yea, everything must be rigged. And you people whine about precious little snowflakes.


Yep, after this election I will never take another poll as having any significance at all. They were proven to be totally biased or incompetent. Take your choice.
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I thought the polls were pretty accurate for the American Presidential election. They were about 1% out weren't they? Those that predicted that Donald was certain to win the popular vote were proved to be idiots.
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I actually think Trump being impeached would be a disaster. Whether it would be a worse disaster than Trump or better, I don't know; but Pence is someone I don't want at the helm. At the very least, Trump will bend to whatever makes him popular.
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The OP wrote:Even this relatively low favorability, though, is an improvement over Trump's mid-campaign lows. As of April 2016, Trump's favorability was only at about 28 percent, according to averages from RealClearPolitics. That average also trended upward after election day, when it was 37.5 percent, though it has leveled off since mid-December, settling at just above 42 as of today.

Trump's favourability ratings are actually improving, not declining. This is a non-story, like most stories about Trump. Lol.
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Potemkin wrote:Trump's favourability ratings are actually improving, not declining. This is a non-story, like most stories about Trump. Lol.


I don't see how you get to improving. He's gotten more unpopular through the course of the transition.

Gallup tested Trump approval in the second week of December and got 48%-48%. In early January the number had fallen to 44% approve, 51% disapprove.

Today's CNN poll has another before and after. In mid-November 46% approved and 45% disapproved, against basically tied. In the poll just out today it's 40% approve, 52% disapprove.

These numbers aren't just double digits behind all his recent predecessors - at the same period, Obama was at 83%, Bush at 61% and Clinton at 68%. Most got more popular through their transitions. Trump's getting more unpopular as he goes.
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More and more I think Potemkin is turning into a good little Trump-boy. I think he is getting close to the end of his life and his senility is turning him into a nationalist.

Hmm? No, not really. It is merely that I am becoming more Stalinist as I get older. The doctrine of 'socialism in one country' begins to make more and more sense to me. The capitalist system is currently attempting to lock down its control of the international community with 'globalisation'. How can this be opposed? Only by retaining the sovereignty of the nation-state as far as possible, which will at least leave the door open for a proletarian revolution in one or other of those nation-states.

On a personal level, I detest Trump. I regard him as a living embodiment of everything that is wrong with capitalism. But even Trump is less dangerous as President that Ted Cruz or Hillary Clinton would have been, and I'm glad that he blocked their path to power. Besides, Trump is likely to mess with the capitalist system while it is still suffering the after-effects of the 2008 crisis, which opens up all sorts of possible futures.... :)
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Hmm? No, not really. It is merely that I am becoming more Stalinist as I get older. The doctrine of 'socialism in one country' begins to make more and more sense to me. The capitalist system is currently attempting to lock down its control of the international community with 'globalisation'. How can this be opposed? Only by retaining the sovereignty of the nation-state as far as possible, which will at least leave the door open for a proletarian revolution in one or other of those nation-states.


This is close to my view also. I find it difficult to be defending 'Nationalism', but it is the only way to stop 'Globalization' before we can move on to anything else. Hopefully, it will at least be a different version of nationalism than the past. To me it is just one step closer to a lot of smaller nations. ;)
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Hmm? No, not really. It is merely that I am becoming more Stalinist as I get older. The doctrine of 'socialism in one country' begins to make more and more sense to me. The capitalist system is currently attempting to lock down its control of the international community with 'globalisation'. How can this be opposed? Only by retaining the sovereignty of the nation-state as far as possible, which will at least leave the door open for a proletarian revolution in one or other of those nation-states.


Which unsurprisingly is exactly what the first edition of Britain's road to socialism said in an almost prophetic warning about American backed transnational organisations.

The Communist Party fights for the national independence and the true national interests of the British people and of all the peoples of the British Empire.

The subjection of Britain to American imperialism is a betrayal of the British people in the interests of big business and of those who are planning a new world war. In the economic sphere, Britain has been turned into a satellite of America, and an American monopolist placed in supreme command of Britain’s industry and American economic controllers and supervisors established in London and reporting to Washington. American big business controls our financial policy, imposes trade restrictions and bans, openly dictates policy, as in the case of devaluation, and is extending the network of American financial penetration and control over British industry. In the military sphere, Britain has been turned into an American base, and the American army of occupation is growing. The new arms programme was decided on American instructions, and under the Atlantic Pact, Britain’s armed forces have been placed under an American Supreme Commander. The British Empire, similarly, has been subjected to increasing American financial and military penetration.

For the first time in its history, our country has lost its independence and freedom of action in its foreign, economic and military policy to a foreign power—the United Slates of America.

The Labour Government and its advisers dare take no major step without American permission, and the leaders of the Tory and Labour Parties compete with one another in servility to the Americans. The leaders of the Labour and Tory Parties have become spokesmen of a foreign power.

Concerned only to defend capitalism and profit, the Labour leaders and the Tories openly betray Britain’s national interests. Such differences as they allow themselves with America are those of the bankrupt junior partner striving to retain what it can in face of American pressure.

The restoration of British national independence, which has been given away by the leaders of the Tory, Liberal and Labour Parties, is the indispensable condition for Britain’s recovery and political, economic and social advance.

The Communist Party declares that the leaders of the Tory, Liberal and Labour Parties and their spokesmen in the press and on the B.B.C. are betraying the interests of Britain to dollar imperialism. Our call is for the unity of all true patriots to defend British national interests and independence.

We stand for a Britain, free, strong and independent. We want our country to be subordinate and subservient to no foreign power, but to stand in friendly association and equal alliance with all powers that recognise and respect Britain’s national interests.

The Communist Party would break with the policy of sell-out to America. It would restore to the British Parliament its exclusive sovereign right to control the country’s financial, economic and military policy, close the country to foreign capitalist penetration and restore the command of the British Armed Forces to British commanders.

To restore control of its own affairs to Britain, so that Britain’s, power could be used on the basis of an independent foreign policy, would be a great contribution towards the preservation of world peace.

The Communist Party therefore rejects all theories which declare national sovereignty to be out of date and thus seek to justify enslavement to American imperialism or aggression against other nations. Real international co-operation can be based only on the sovereign freedom and equal rights of all nations, great and small. Because of this, the cause of Britain’s national independence is bound up with ensuring that all nations in the present Empire also enjoy full national rights and independence.


We were warning people that this shit you get in the modern world would happen as far back as the fucking 50s in the UK and earlier in the Soviet Union and did anyone fucking listen? :roll:
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The irony here, and the tragedy in reality, is that the left in general has learned nothing from what just happened in spite of people like Michael Moore and Jonathan Pie doing a brilliant job of clarifying exactly why Trump won and Hillary lost. When people like John Lewis rail about the illegitimacy of the Trump Presidency the disenfranchised who elected him President don't see that as an attack on Trump, they see it as an attack on them. When people riot and burn down their own neighborhoods and businesses to protest a Trump Presidency it simply serves to convince those afore-mentioned disenfranchised that everything they already thought about the left was true. And when the new agencies and pollsters who got the election so wrong reveal new polls to support their case, it isn't Trump who loses legitimacy in their eyes, it's the left. Worst of all, without question, all of this is further serving to widen an already too large racial and class divide in America as many in places like the Mid-West, the Eastern seaboard, and the South find increasingly little common ground between the actions and politics of the left and their core beliefs and values.
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The irony here, and the tragedy in reality, is that the left in general has learned nothing from what just happened in spite of people like Michael Moore and Jonathan Pie doing a brilliant job of clarifying exactly why Trump won and Hillary lost. When people like John Lewis rail about the illegitimacy of the Trump Presidency the disenfranchised who elected him President don't see that as an attack on Trump, they see it as an attack on them. When people riot and burn down their own neighborhoods and businesses to protest a Trump Presidency it simply serves to convince those afore-mentioned disenfranchised that everything they already thought about the left was true. And when the new agencies and pollsters who got the election so wrong reveal new polls to support their case, it isn't Trump who loses legitimacy in their eyes, it's the left. Worst of all, without question, all of this is further serving to widen an already too large racial and class divide in America as many in places like the Mid-West, the Eastern seaboard, and the South find increasingly little common ground between the actions and politics of the left and their core beliefs and values.

Replace "the left" with "liberals", and I would agree with that paragraph.
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