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By Hindsite
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jimjam wrote:About as meaningful as "El Chapo declares himself innocent" …… :lol:

I suspect you will be saying the same thing about Trump when the Mueller report states that no evidence of Trump - Russia collusion was found.
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By jimjam
#14989262
One of Mr. Trump’s lawyers has reached out to the lawyers for two of his former aides — Paul Manafort and Mr. Flynn — to discuss possible pardons. The discussions raised questions about whether the president was willing to offer pardons to influence their decisions about whether to plead guilty and cooperate in the Mueller investigation. :eek:

Early in Trump's denials, one could argue that his very fragile ego was being hurt. Now, after this ongoing onslaught of attempts to tamper with the investigations, berate those who would recuse themselves and place into key positions (i.e. the Acting AG) those who promise to protect Trump from personal attacks, one can come to but one conclusion: Trump and/or his family members are guilty of actual crimes. The level of incoherence in his protestations now suggest Trump himself knows these investigations are getting close to finding the crimes he knows he has committed.

While millions may follow Trump on Twitter, but for millions of other Americans they see Trump sounding and acting very guilty and very desperate at this time.
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By Hindsite
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jimjam wrote:One of Mr. Trump’s lawyers has reached out to the lawyers for two of his former aides — Paul Manafort and Mr. Flynn — to discuss possible pardons.

I suspect this is more fake news from the liberal news media.

jimjam wrote:Early in Trump's denials, one could argue that his very fragile ego was being hurt.

One could also argue that trump was falsely accused.

jimjam wrote:Now, after this ongoing onslaught of attempts to tamper with the investigations, berate those who would recuse themselves and place into key positions (i.e. the Acting AG) those who promise to protect Trump from personal attacks, one can come to but one conclusion: Trump and/or his family members are guilty of actual crimes. The level of incoherence in his protestations now suggest Trump himself knows these investigations are getting close to finding the crimes he knows he has committed.

This is more bias information. Trump obviously wants to be treated fair, which the left-wing media and the haters refuses to do.

jimjam wrote:While millions may follow Trump on Twitter, but for millions of other Americans they see Trump sounding and acting very guilty and very desperate at this time.

I don't follow Trump on twitter, but he acts and sounds not guilty to me.
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By jimjam
#14989272
Hindsite wrote:more fake news from the liberal news media.


Hindsite wrote:trump was falsely accused.


Hindsite wrote: left-wing media and the haters


Hindsite wrote: not guilty to me.


BRILLIANT!! :eek: :lol:
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By Beren
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RealClear Politics wrote:


COOPER: Do you still believe the president could be a Russian asset?

MCCABE: I think it's possible. I think that's why we started our investigation. And I’m really anxious to see where Director Mueller concludes that.

It will be an interesting read. :excited:
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By Hindsite
#14989425
Beren wrote:It will be an interesting read. :excited:

We all know that McCabe is a liar and is trying to promote his book, which he is going to need to sell many to help him with his upcoming legal fees. We will see what Mueller has concluded in the next couple of weeks.
#14989455
Beren wrote:Is he a pathological liar too?
You mean like Trump and his gullible dipshit followers? :lol:
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By Hong Wu
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CNN reports that Mueller could send his summary to the AG as early as next week. This is CNN so that's probably wrong...

There is no collusion or else something would have leaked or been rushed as it's sort of important.
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By jimjam
#14989483
Hong Wu wrote:CNN reports that Mueller could send his summary to the AG as early as next week. This is CNN so that's probably wrong...

There is no collusion or else something would have leaked or been rushed as it's sort of important.

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I doubt this man ^ feels a need to leak anything or rush anything. He is a true American hero.


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This ^ performing circus clown on the other hand ………….. :lol:
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By Hong Wu
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Well Jim, it's not Mueller who would necessarily be behind any leaks. I just don't see them slow balling something this big if there was anything to it.

McCabe also continues to throw shade at Rosenstein which suggests that he's trying to shift blame away from himself. Possibly even worse for him:


This doesn't bode well for the collusion investigation.

I feel bad for all the people who got roped into this without having an understanding of how ridiculous it was, the media has pushed it to an unprecedented degree.
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By Beren
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All what Mueller may not have is Manafort's testimony, who will go bankrupt and rot in jail rather than testifying against his bosses, who are not Trump, so maybe Trump can say he didn't know about the collusion between his own campaign and the Russians. Perhaps he will even say he didn't know about his own connections with Russian mobsters, which all his fans will believe him, but I myself definitely wouldn't expect him to come out of this snow white and glorious. But if the shutdown was a victory, this one will be even more so. :lol:
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By jimjam
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THE REPORT IS COMING! THE REPORT IS COMING! :eek:

The report is unlikely to be a dictionary-thick tome, which will disappoint some observers. But such brevity is not necessarily good news for the president. In fact, quite the opposite.

For months, the president’s lawyers have tried to discredit Mr. Mueller and this report, but their efforts may have backfired. A concise Mueller report might act as a “road map” to investigation for the Democratic House of Representatives — and it might also lead to further criminal investigation by other prosecutors. A short Mueller report would mark the end of the beginning, not the beginning of the end.

The “witch hunt” attacks on Mr. Mueller may have backfired. For 19 months, Mr. Trump and his team have had one target to shoot at, and that target has had limited jurisdiction. But now the investigation resembles the architecture of the internet, with many different nodes, and some of those nodes possess potentially unlimited jurisdiction. Their powers and scope go well beyond Mr. Mueller’s circumscribed mandate; they go to Mr. Trump’s judgment and whether he lied to the American people. They also include law enforcement investigations having nothing to do with Russia, such as whether the president directed the commission of serious campaign finance crimes, as federal prosecutors in the Southern District of New York have already stated in filings. These are all critical matters, each with serious factual predicates already uncovered by prosecutors.

The overlapping investigations by different entities, housed in different branches of government, spanning geography and even different governments (such as the New York attorney general’s investigation into the Trump Foundation), make it difficult for anyone, even Attorney General Barr, to end the inquiries.

This news may be disappointing, for various reasons, to the president’s critics and supporters alike. But the ultimate result is a good one. It means the truth is likely to come out — maybe not on the timetable anyone wants, but it will. So whenever Mr. Mueller turns in his report, do not assume that things are over. The investigations here serve a purpose that transcends any one individual or law enforcement entity. This is the architecture of our Constitution, which is designed to ferret out high-level wrongdoing through a variety of channels for the American public to see.

The trump Administration will die the death of 1000 cuts. I think that it is also reasonable to estimate that trump will not be on the ticket in 2020. Republicans, being overwhelmed by multiple investigations will see their own Senate and House prospects in critical condition. They will work with dispatch to put the trump nightmare behind them.
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By Hindsite
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jimjam wrote:THE REPORT IS COMING! THE REPORT IS COMING! :eek:

The report is unlikely to be a dictionary-thick tome, which will disappoint some observers. But such brevity is not necessarily good news for the president. In fact, quite the opposite.

For months, the president’s lawyers have tried to discredit Mr. Mueller and this report, but their efforts may have backfired. A concise Mueller report might act as a “road map” to investigation for the Democratic House of Representatives — and it might also lead to further criminal investigation by other prosecutors. A short Mueller report would mark the end of the beginning, not the beginning of the end.

The “witch hunt” attacks on Mr. Mueller may have backfired. For 19 months, Mr. Trump and his team have had one target to shoot at, and that target has had limited jurisdiction. But now the investigation resembles the architecture of the internet, with many different nodes, and some of those nodes possess potentially unlimited jurisdiction. Their powers and scope go well beyond Mr. Mueller’s circumscribed mandate; they go to Mr. Trump’s judgment and whether he lied to the American people. They also include law enforcement investigations having nothing to do with Russia, such as whether the president directed the commission of serious campaign finance crimes, as federal prosecutors in the Southern District of New York have already stated in filings. These are all critical matters, each with serious factual predicates already uncovered by prosecutors.

The overlapping investigations by different entities, housed in different branches of government, spanning geography and even different governments (such as the New York attorney general’s investigation into the Trump Foundation), make it difficult for anyone, even Attorney General Barr, to end the inquiries.

This news may be disappointing, for various reasons, to the president’s critics and supporters alike. But the ultimate result is a good one. It means the truth is likely to come out — maybe not on the timetable anyone wants, but it will. So whenever Mr. Mueller turns in his report, do not assume that things are over. The investigations here serve a purpose that transcends any one individual or law enforcement entity. This is the architecture of our Constitution, which is designed to ferret out high-level wrongdoing through a variety of channels for the American public to see.

The trump Administration will die the death of 1000 cuts. I think that it is also reasonable to estimate that trump will not be on the ticket in 2020. Republicans, being overwhelmed by multiple investigations will see their own Senate and House prospects in critical condition. They will work with dispatch to put the trump nightmare behind them.

This all sounds like it comes from a left-wing Trump hating pundit. I will consider it a "witch hunt' if it does not determine that Trump conspired with the Russians to win the election. Anything else is just hunting for" witches" to persecute.
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By Godstud
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It was called a "witch hunt" by the fucking witch.

How stupid are Trump supports???

He might not have colluded, but he'll be up for criminal charges. Of this I have no doubt.
#14989774
jimjam wrote:The trump Administration will die the death of 1000 cuts. I think that it is also reasonable to estimate that trump will not be on the ticket in 2020.

Even After Sanders, Harris, and Others Enter Race, Bookies Have Donald Trump as Massive 2020 Favorite
If the economy craters, Trump could be in trouble. If GDP growth remains at 2%+, Trump will win in a landslide.

In the latest batch of odds, released just after Bernie’s announcement, Trump is the overwhelming 3-2 favorite for reelection, writes the Examiner’s Washington Secrets columnist Paul Bedard, who spoke with the sportsbook manager at BetOnline.ag, Dave Mason.

Trump is going to win bigly.

MAGA!!! :rockon:
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By Hindsite
#14989786
Beren wrote:Now, @blackjack21, what should I think about your intelligence?

Think highly.
Praise the Lord.
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By Beren
#14989871
Bloomberg wrote:New York Has Prepared Paul Manafort Charges If Trump Pardons Him

By Greg Farrell
2019. február 22. 16:19 CET Updated on 2019. február 22. 18:05 CET


  • Cy Vance has been investigating ex-Trump aide since 2017
  • District Attorney sees way to avoid double jeopardy protection

New York state prosecutors have put together a criminal case against Paul Manafort that they could file quickly if the former chairman of Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign receives a presidential pardon.

New York County District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. is ready to file an array of tax and other charges against Manafort, according to two people familiar with the matter, something seen as an insurance policy should the president exercise his power to free the former aide. Skirting laws that protect defendants from being charged twice for the same offense has been one of Vance’s challenges.

Manafort was convicted of eight felonies, pleaded guilty to two more and is scheduled to be sentenced next month for those federal crimes. Prosecutors working for Special Counsel Robert Mueller have recommended as long as 24 years, a virtual life sentence, for the 69-year-old political consultant.

The president, who has bemoaned Manafort’s treatment at the hands of Mueller, said in November that he has not ruled out a pardon. He has frequently talked of his broad pardon power, possibly extending even to himself, and acted to liberate two political allies previously.

A spokesman for Vance’s office declined to comment, as did Jason Maloni, a spokesman for Manafort. The White House didn’t respond to a request to comment.

Prosecutors in Vance’s office began investigating Manafort in 2017, months before Mueller charged him with conspiracy, failure to file reports of foreign bank accounts and failure to register as an agent of a foreign country, activities stemming from his earlier work for Ukraine. Mueller’s team followed up with more charges of bank fraud, filing false tax returns and failure to file reports of foreign bank accounts in early 2018.

At the state level, Vance is preparing an array of criminal charges. While their full extent isn’t clear, they would include evasion of New York taxes and violations of state laws requiring companies to keep accurate books and records, according to one of the people, who asked not to be identified because the investigation is confidential.

Much of the evidence against Manafort has emerged through Mueller’s prosecutions. But Vance’s office can’t cut and paste Mueller’s charges into a state indictment. It must avoid New York’s double jeopardy law, which provides protections for defendants even stronger than those guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution’s Fifth Amendment.

Former New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman anticipated this concern last year when he urged Albany lawmakers to tweak the state’s robust double jeopardy protections to allow local prosecutors to charge individuals convicted of federal crimes but pardoned by the president. The state legislature didn’t follow through on his request.

Nevertheless, Vance’s office has identified several areas where it believes Manafort can be charged with state offenses without triggering double jeopardy protections.

For example, New York law allows defendants who have already been convicted of evading federal taxes to be charged with the same conduct as it applies to state taxes. As a part-time resident of New York, Manafort has some exposure.

Mueller’s court filings also contain evidence of Manafort’s manipulation of his business records as part of efforts to secure bank loans. While Mueller charged bank fraud based on this conduct, Vance could hit Manafort with state charges of falsifying books and records, according to one of the people.

Manafort’s legal team would almost certainly challenge the state’s efforts, invoking constitutional protections. New York’s double jeopardy provisions have frustrated state authorities in the past, said John Moscow, who prosecuted global bank fraud and money laundering cases under Vance’s predecessor Robert Morgenthau.

“My suggestion is to change the double jeopardy statute in New York to permit prosecutions with this kind of conduct in mind,” said Moscow, who is now at Lewis Baach LLC and isn’t involved in the matter. “As interpreted, the statute is too broad and needs to be rethought.”

If convicted of state crimes, Manafort would face confinement in notoriously tough prisons. L. Dennis Kozlowski, the former Tyco International Ltd. chief executive officer convicted in 2005 of securities fraud, grand larceny and falsifying business records, served part of his 8 1/3-to-25 year sentence at a medium-security prison.

Along with commuting some sentences, Trump has issued seven pardons, several of them to staunch political allies including Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Arizona and conservative commentator Dinesh D’Souza. At times he has seemed to relish his clemency power, musing about a possible pardon for Martha Stewart and commuting the sentence of former Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich.

Matthew Whitaker, who was acting attorney general until last week, told lawmakers on February 8 that he hadn’t had discussions about potential pardons. But asked by U.S. Representative Veronica Escobar, a Texas Democrat, what he knew of any pardon documents that had been prepared, Whitaker responded: “I am aware of documents relating to pardons of individuals, yes.”

Escobar’s time then expired, and no follow-up question was asked.

— With assistance by Alyza Sebenius

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