Godstud wrote:Again, just a bunch of irrelevant Ad hominems and feelings from @blackjack21.
Nothing I have said could be described as "feelings." You could construe my opinion that you are not particularly concerned about fascism as an
ad hominem; however, it is you who chose to live in a country with a military government.
Godstud wrote:America's a democracy. Pretending otherwise is false.
America is a federated republic. Hillary Clinton got more of the popular vote than Donald Trump, but Donald Trump is president. Pretending otherwise is false.
Godstud wrote:Thailand is also a democracy.
Thailand is a country with frequent periods of military rule--the most recent period of which you lived under by choice when you could have moved back to Canada, but you didn't because it really didn't concern you.
Godstud wrote:No. That's right-wingers like you, that have those ties. Nice try, anyways.
The Eugenics movement was started by progressives, not right wingers. Woodrow Wilson was a Democrat and a progressive. He was not a conservative. Teddy Roosevelt was also a progressive.
Progressive EraMany progressives supported prohibition of alcoholic beverages, ostensibly to destroy the political power of local bosses based in saloons, but others out of a religious motivation.[2] At the same time, women's suffrage was promoted to bring a "purer" female vote into the arena.[3] A third theme was building an Efficiency Movement in every sector that could identify old ways that needed modernizing, and bring to bear scientific, medical and engineering solutions; a key part of the efficiency movement was scientific management, or "Taylorism".
I bet you didn't know that the Ku Klux Klan was in favor of women voting, did you? I studied business, so I had to learn scientific management just like any other business graduate.
The national political leaders included Republicans Theodore Roosevelt, Robert M. La Follette Sr., and Charles Evans Hughes and Democrats William Jennings Bryan, Woodrow Wilson and Al Smith. Leaders of the movement also existed far from presidential politics: Jane Addams, Grace Abbott, Edith Abbott and Sophonisba Breckinridge were among the most influential non-governmental Progressive Era reformers.
Not a lot of hard core right wingers in there.
Some Progressives strongly supported scientific methods as applied to economics, government, industry, finance, medicine, schooling, theology, education, and even the family.
Eugenics, planned parenthood, etc.
Significant changes enacted at the national levels included the imposition of an income tax with the Sixteenth Amendment, direct election of Senators with the Seventeenth Amendment, Prohibition with the Eighteenth Amendment, election reforms to stop corruption and fraud, and women's suffrage through the Nineteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.[14]
The progressives hated the Republic, limited taxation, etc.
Although there were some achievements that improved conditions for African Americans and other non-white minorities, the Progressive Era was the nadir of American race relations. While white Progressives in principle believed in improving conditions for minority groups, there were wide differences in how this was to be achieved. Some, such as Lillian Wald, fought to alleviate the plight of poor African Americans. Many, though, were concerned with enforcing, not eradicating, racial segregation. In particular, the mixing of black and white pleasure-seekers in "black-and-tan" clubs troubled Progressive reformers.[76] The Progressive ideology espoused by many of the era attempted to correct societal problems created by racial integration following the Civil War by segregating the races and allowing each group to achieve its own potential. That is to say that most Progressives saw racial integration as a problem to be solved, rather than a goal to be achieved.[77][78][79] As white progressives sought to help the white working-class, clean-up politics, and improve the cities, the country instated the system of racial segregation known as Jim Crow.[80]
That is an historical fact. Progressives were not known as right wingers.
Some Progressives sponsored eugenics as a solution to excessively large or underperforming families, hoping that birth control would enable parents to focus their resources on fewer, better children.
It seems Wikipedia doesn't want to elaborate, but you can follow the bibliography for additional information.
What historians have identified as "business progressivism", with its emphasis on efficiency and typified by Henry Ford and Herbert Hoover[150] reached an apogee in the 1920s. Wik, for example, argues that Ford's "views on technology and the mechanization of rural America were generally enlightened, progressive, and often far ahead of his times."[151]
He he. Henry Ford was an anti-semite, and Hitler was a big fan. Hitler used to fly in a Ford Trimotor aircraft.
Eugenics The eugenics movement became associated with Nazi Germany and the Holocaust when many of the defendants at the Nuremberg trials attempted to justify their human rights abuses by claiming there was little difference between the Nazi eugenics programs and the U.S. eugenics programs.[9] In the decades following World War II, with the institution of human rights, many countries gradually began to abandon eugenics policies, although some Western countries, the United States, Canada, and Sweden among them, continued to carry out forced sterilizations.
Gulp... even Canada continued with forced sterilizations after the Nazis. America, at the time, was largely governed by a Democratic party in Congress--a House majority that lasted over 40 years until Newt Gingrich finally led a Republican majority to power for the first time in a generation.
Eugenic policies were first implemented in the early 1900s in the United States.[26]
That is...during the Progressive Era.
Is this what you mean @Godstud?
Among institutions, the Catholic Church was an opponent of state-enforced sterilizations.[45] Attempts by the Eugenics Education Society to persuade the British government to legalize voluntary sterilization were opposed by Catholics and by the Labour Party.[46] The American Eugenics Society initially gained some Catholic supporters, but Catholic support declined following the 1930 papal encyclical Casti connubii.[24] In this, Pope Pius XI explicitly condemned sterilization laws: "Public magistrates have no direct power over the bodies of their subjects; therefore, where no crime has taken place and there is no cause present for grave punishment, they can never directly harm, or tamper with the integrity of the body, either for the reasons of eugenics or for any other reason."[47]
Catholics! Right wingers! Catholics! Right wingers! It was primarily religious people who opposed the Eugenics of the Progressive Era.
The scientific reputation of eugenics started to decline in the 1930s, a time when Ernst Rüdin used eugenics as a justification for the racial policies of Nazi Germany. Adolf Hitler had praised and incorporated eugenic ideas in Mein Kampf in 1925 and emulated eugenic legislation for the sterilization of "defectives" that had been pioneered in the United States once he took power.[50]
Hitler was modelling Progressivism.
China maintained its one-child policy until 2015 as well as a suite of other eugenics based legislation to reduce population size and manage fertility rates of different populations.
Oh, those right wing communists...
Godstud wrote:Fields got a fair trial. You are just too much of a Nazi-lover to accept it as such.
Fields was mentally ill. He should not have been free and unsupervised in the first place. We simply need to move back to a time when society--led by progressives--committed mental defectives to mental institutions. Their overweening sense of guilt for the Holocaust has led to today's homeless crisis, consisting primarily of the mentally ill and alcohol and drug addicted. Prison and non-hygienic homelessness are not better alternatives.
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