[colliric]

Hillary Clinton lost, because she deserved to. "Dewey Defeats Truman" wasn't in my lifetime, but I have never seen a candidate for president so sure of a victory. It was such a wonderful thing to see her lose. I don't think I've ever seen such bizarre devotion to such a flawed person. The Democrats can do better than Hillary Clinton. Yet, they do not seem interested in winning without the identity politics that currently defines the party.

I'll be honest I genuinely thought we were seeing a changing of the Guard, at least generationally for the Democratic Party in 2007/8 with Obama and him beating her.

Who could have predicted she'd pull a dick move on the party and try, along with her fellow 90s cohorts like Pelosi and Schumer, to hostily take over it again at the end of his term? And force Clinton bullshit on us one last time.

I think Joe Biden had no guts. He should have done the old VP puts in as Candidate to "continue the legacy of Obama". That would have stopped her in the primaries.

Although I would have voted Palin(McCain who?), I was glad Obama won at least for the Democrats.

[jimjam]

I guess Robert Mueller is just trying to show that he's actually doing something for all the money he's spending.

$7,000,000 .... as I have said, chicken feed by DC standards.

How about: Corey Ciorciari, policy and research director at the Center for American Progress Action Fund, acknowledged this but said he’s still comfortable with $3.6 million as a reasonable, if not conservative, estimate for the cost of one of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago trips.

But, then, Donald is your Golden Boy to be measured by a special standard.

You really need to open your mind and get passed all that heterophobic hate. There's nothing wrong with men who want to have sex with women. It's totally natural.

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky." Do we have a double standard here as well as in auditing Mueller's expenditures?

[jimjam]

He really needs to start throwing the illegal aliens out of here.

When I was born there were 2,000,000,000 humans on the planet. There are now 7,600,000,000 humans on the planet. It is a safe bet that these #'s will climb astronomically. It is also a safe bet that this trend will result in chaos, war and massive "illegal" cross border issues as increasing amounts of humans compete for decreasing resources. We are already seeing this in places like central Africa where farm lands are turning into deserts resulting in migration to cities which cannot deal effectively with the situation resulting in poverty/radicalization. I am lucky to live in America where these trends will be fended off for some time but not indefinitely. I am also lucky in that I will be dead before the shit hits the fan big time. I had the good years by a quirk of fate.

[annatar1914]

When I was born there were 2,000,000,000 humans on the planet. There are now 7,600,000,000 humans on the planet. It is a safe bet that these #'s will climb astronomically. It is also a safe bet that this trend will result in chaos, war and massive "illegal" cross border issues as increasing amounts of humans compete for decreasing resources. We are already seeing this in places like central Africa where farm lands are turning into deserts resulting in migration to cities which cannot deal effectively with the situation resulting in poverty/radicalization. I am lucky to live in America where these trends will be fended off for some time but not indefinitely. I am also lucky in that I will be dead before the shit hits the fan big time. I had the good years by a quirk of fate.

Socialism or Barbarism.... Take your pick.

[blackjack21]

Who could have predicted she'd pull a dick move on the party and try, along with her fellow 90s cohorts like Pelosi and Schumer, to hostily take over it again at the end of his term? And force Clinton bullshit on us one last time.

I would have predicted it. That one was obvious to me.

I think Joe Biden had no guts. He should have done the old VP puts in as Candidate to "continue the legacy of Obama". That would have stopped her in the primaries.

She would have lost to him, but he might have ended up committing suicide in Fort Marcy Park before that.

$7,000,000 .... as I have said, chicken feed by DC standards.

Perhaps, but it is getting close to the amount that Trump spent during the primaries, and Mueller is taking longer to figure this out than the presidential campaign itself. So far he's come up with next to nothing.

How about: Corey Ciorciari, policy and research director at the Center for American Progress Action Fund, acknowledged this but said he’s still comfortable with $3.6 million as a reasonable, if not conservative, estimate for the cost of one of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago trips.

I'm very comfortable with shedding as much of the personnel as possible.

But, then, Donald is your Golden Boy to be measured by a special standard.

He wasn't hand picked by the neocons and the media, so that's good enough for me.

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky." Do we have a double standard here as well as in auditing Mueller's expenditures?

Clinton was dodging a sexual harassment lawsuit and lied under oath, which is only germaine to today's politics because his wife ran for president with a "war on women" theme with which she intended to wrongly tar the Republican party; yet, she was her husband's chief defender throughout his sex scandals. Hillary also tried--and the establishment is trying again to attack Trump personally--to smear Trump with the NBC video. It didn't work. We live in different times. If the left wants us to accept gay marriage, a bazillion freaky genders and transgender bathrooms, as far as I'm concerned, Trump can put a brass poll in the Oval Office and have strippers twirling down them all day. America has lost its moral compass and there is simply no reason to listen to a bunch of atheistic, nihilistic freaks preach Christian morality to the very Christians they hate. If the Republicans had run a chimpanzee against Hillary Clinton, I would have voted for the Chimpanzee. Frankly, as terrible a candidate as she was, the Chimpanzee would have won.

It is a safe bet that these #'s will climb astronomically. It is also a safe bet that this trend will result in chaos, war and massive "illegal" cross border issues as increasing amounts of humans compete for decreasing resources.

I'm guessing in my lifetime we'll see some events that make the Holocaust look like a day in the park.

[Hindsite]

If the Republicans had run a chimpanzee against Hillary Clinton, I would have voted for the Chimpanzee. Frankly, as terrible a candidate as she was, the Chimpanzee would have won.

As Godstud would say, we got a Trumpanzee instead.
HalleluYah.

[blackjack21]

As Godstud would say, we got a Trumpanzee instead.

For whatever reason, the left thinks we can be shamed into having voted for Trump instead of that bad-smelling crook of a witch, Hillary Clinton. They don't seem to understand we don't like them. For whatever reason, they think they can spend nearly all their time waging ad hominem attacks on people who don't agree with them politically or socially, and then try to get those same people they ostracize to move toward their left-wing political views by way of ostracism. Why would anyone want to be like the people who hate their guts?

[jimjam]

For whatever reason, the left thinks we can be shamed into having voted for Trump instead of that bad-smelling crook of a witch, Hillary Clinton. They don't seem to understand we don't like them. For whatever reason, they think they can spend nearly all their time waging ad hominem attacks on people who don't agree with them politically or socially, and then try to get those same people they ostracize to move toward their left-wing political views by way of ostracism. Why would anyone want to be like the people who hate their guts?

My dislike of Donald is mostly for one reason, he is an asshole. I would also dislike him he were a bus driver. I simply do not like assholes. Never have and never will. Believe me I don't like Hillary. It was a lose lose situation. For the frenzy addled "right" to think my dislike of Donald has anything to do with Hillary or Hillary losing is simply presumptuous and self serving.

[Citizen J]

that bad-smelling crook of a witch, Hillary Clinton. They don't seem to understand we don't like them. For whatever reason, they think they can spend nearly all their time waging ad hominem attacks on people who don't agree with them politically or socially

Are you being metaphorical when you called her a 'bad smelling crook'? Are you trying to be ironic when you complain about others using ad hominems immediately after using an ad hominem? Do you believe you are the only person in the world allowed to use ad hominems?

[jimjam]

Trump is either hiding something so threatening to himself, or he’s criminally incompetent to be commander in chief. It is impossible yet to say which explanation for his behavior is true, but it seems highly likely that one of these scenarios explains Trump’s refusal to respond to Russia’s direct attack on our system — a quiescence that is simply unprecedented for any U.S. president in history. Russia is not our friend. It has acted in a hostile manner. And Trump keeps ignoring it all.

It is so obvious what Trump is up to: Again, he is either a total sucker for Putin or, more likely, he is hiding something that he knows the Russians have on him, and he knows that the longer Mueller’s investigation goes on, the more likely he will be to find and expose it.

Donald, if you are so innocent, why do you go to such extraordinary lengths to try to shut Mueller down? And if you are really the president — not still head of the Trump Organization, who moonlights as president, which is how you so often behave — why don’t you actually lead — lead not only a proper cyberdefense of our elections, but also an offense against Putin.

[Finfinder]

I don't have time to read 94 pages and have asked before and am still waiting for an answer. Can someone please post the evidence that Trump colluded with Russia.

thanks

[Zagadka]

You guys don't seem to know how investigations work. Charge -> investigation -> evidence -> prosecution.

If you had evidence... you wouldn't be investigating.

[Citizen J]

You guys don't seem to know how investigations work. Charge -> investigation -> evidence -> prosecution.

If you had evidence... you wouldn't be investigating.

While that is the general concept, American justice works a bit differently. Investigate -> evidence -> negotiations -> witnesses -> further evidence -> charges ->prosecution.
The little guys are leaned on to get them to talk. Hopefully, they lead you to the evidence you need to fry the bigger fish. Of course, this is well known. So big fish have various ploys to escape prosecution. Like patsies, and fall guys, intimidation and assassination. Mueller is just being thorough. Because whatever he has on Trump, he gets only one shot at prosecution. If one charge fails to stick to Trump, Mueller will never get another chance.

[jimjam]

I'm guessing in my lifetime we'll see some events that make the Holocaust look like a day in the park.

How might this be manifested? We are way off topic here. If you care to respond, I suggest a thread I started in the sociology dept. called "when I was born.....". Personally I find this stuff way more interesting than the daily Trump soap opera.

[Hindsite]

My dislike of Donald is mostly for one reason, he is an asshole.

I am pretty sure that everyone has an asshole.

Are you being metaphorical when you called her a 'bad smelling crook'? Are you trying to be ironic when you complain about others using ad hominems immediately after using an ad hominem? Do you believe you are the only person in the world allowed to use ad hominems?

I believe he is simply pointing out that it is okay to use an ad hominem for people like "crooked" Hillary because it is true.

Donald, if you are so innocent, why do you go to such extraordinary lengths to try to shut Mueller down?

What are these extraordinary lengths the president is using to try to shut Mueller down? I am not even aware of any ordinary measures he is using to try to shut Mueller down other than to say He did not collude with the Russians, which the experts say isn't even a crime in the first place. A pundit on MSNBC responded to that with "We don't need a crime to impeach him."

Democrat Maxine Waters of California was calling for Trump's impeachment before he was even sworn into office.

The following report says it was shortly after he was sworn into office. But I am pretty sure it was before.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... 82dba3372d

Trump faced claims that his actions warranted impeachment even before he took office.

Waters stated she had little doubt that Trump was guilty of something.

“I've long thought that there was a lot of smoke, even fire, and that everything that I have learned about this president, starting with the campaign itself, that people should have understood that there was something terribly wrong with him,” she said.

“As a matter of fact, I have said over and over again: I think he's the most deplorable person I've ever met in my life.”

http://www.newsweek.com/maxine-waters-t ... ent-646696

Published on Feb 8, 2017
Representative Maxine Waters has argued that US President Donald Trump will inevitably be impeached because of his alleged ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin who she claimed is “advancing in Korea.”

[Finfinder]

You guys don't seem to know how investigations work. Charge -> investigation -> evidence -> prosecution.

If you had evidence... you wouldn't be investigating.

Need hip waders for the level of doo- doo in that post.

[Zagadka]

So, what, you sit around and wait for evidence to pop up before investigating anything?

Crime is noticed, investigation starts. Not hard to process. They clearly have enough evidence so far to continue their investigations.

[Citizen J]

I believe he is simply pointing out that it is okay to use an ad hominem for people like "crooked" Hillary because it is true.

I see this board has devolved into another 4chan wannabe.

Democrat Maxine Waters of California was calling for Trump's impeachment before he was even sworn into office.

I distinctly remember Republicans calling to impeach Obama less than a week after the 08 election (ACORN bring back any memories?). This is a classic case of hypocrisy. "Your side should not be allowed to do what my side has already done".
Grow up.

[blackjack21]

My dislike of Donald is mostly for one reason, he is an asshole.

Well, I'm not sure how I'd argue with that. I think many of the people in politics are complete assholes. Generally, presidents are going to be assholes, since it is essentially a job requirement.

Are you being metaphorical when you called her a 'bad smelling crook'?

People fear Hillary. Not that many people really like her. Quite a few people--mostly in the 1960s and 1970s--who encountered Hillary said that she gave off an absolutely terrible odor. I've never really liked her. However, people made claims of "insider trading" on that cattle futures contract; however, futures are not subject to SEC regulations. There really isn't any "insider trading" in commodities other than government officials who have knowledge of crop reports, commitment of traders, etc. I didn't think they could really prove anything on Hillary Clinton until the missing Rose Law Firm billing records showed up mysteriously in the White House residence. After they discovered those long sought for billing records in the White House residence, Hillary Clinton was basically a low brow scumbag in my book.

Are you trying to be ironic when you complain about others using ad hominems immediately after using an ad hominem?

No attempt at irony here. My point is substantially more pragmatic: if you are trying to win votes, it's a terrible idea to attack voters. That is something the Democrats did with their erstwhile working class/blue collar white voter base. Now they are floating trial balloon after trial balloon as ad hominem attacks on Trump. "Trump slept with a porn star." So what? If Trump slept with Debbie Wasserman Schultz, then I would be disgusted.

Do you believe you are the only person in the world allowed to use ad hominems?

Not at all.

It is impossible yet to say which explanation for his behavior is true, but it seems highly likely that one of these scenarios explains Trump’s refusal to respond to Russia’s direct attack on our system — a quiescence that is simply unprecedented for any U.S. president in history.

Except, of course, for the preceding president whose FBI director is now the head of the special prosecutors office who just indicted a gaggle of Russian punks who started their pathetic trolling in 2014 on Comey's watch--in other words, Obama and Comey were warned about these guys and did nothing.

It is so obvious what Trump is up to: Again, he is either a total sucker for Putin or, more likely, he is hiding something that he knows the Russians have on him, and he knows that the longer Mueller’s investigation goes on, the more likely he will be to find and expose it.

Using a special counsel to threaten to expose something to embarrass or humiliate someone is blackmail. It's a criminal offense. It's hard for me to believe that Mueller is doing something that would land him in jail.

Donald, if you are so innocent, why do you go to such extraordinary lengths to try to shut Mueller down?

You started this thread in May of last year. We're 8 1/2 months into this, and he's found absolutely no collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. That's the only conflict of interest that warrants a special counsel. Yet, you guys keep saying things like "he's just getting started." Really? This is right out of the Pink Panther at this point. He's indicting a bunch of Russian punks; yet, the FBI was paying Christopher Steele--a foreign spy--along with Hillary Clinton to disrupt the election. If foreigners interfering in our elections is wrong, why hasn't Steele been indicted? He clearly lied to the FBI, AND we have an extradition treaty with the UK.

You guys don't seem to know how investigations work. Charge -> investigation -> evidence -> prosecution.

If you had evidence... you wouldn't be investigating.

Well, that's not quite right. You cannot file a criminal charge without probable cause. Probable cause is evidence. You absolutely do not charge someone with a crime, and then go looking for evidence to support the charge. This isn't even open for debate. It's a fundamental human right that you do not charge someone with a crime without probable cause (evidence, but not necessarily proof, supported by oath or affirmation).

They clearly have enough evidence so far to continue their investigations.

The FBI, CIA, NSA and DIA have enough evidence to sustain counter-intelligence investigations. The special counsel's reason for existence is now pretty questionable. 8 1/2 months and we're still back to where Comey was: Trump is not a target of the investigation. Consequently, there is no point in having an independent counsel. What it amounts to is an unsupervised person with an unlimited budget. That's only needed if the president himself was involved in something criminal. There isn't even any evidence that he was involved in something criminal. The special counsel statute requires specifying a crime to investigate. That wasn't done. So there is a problem with the very establishment of the special counsel.

I distinctly remember Republicans calling to impeach Obama less than a week after the 08 election (ACORN bring back any memories?).

I don't. I do remember the outcry about Acorn from conservative talking heads. If I remember anything it was that elected Republicans rarely held Obama's administration to account for much of anything. They held lots of hearings on the IRS witch, whose name escapes me...oh, Lois Lerner. They did the same with the Hillary email stuff, where Hillary lied under oath to Congress and withheld and later destroyed emails under Congressional subpoena. They did hold Eric Holder in contempt, but it was effectively meaningless.

Believe me, there are a lot of Republicans who don't like Trump who are flabbergasted that his support and poll numbers are increasing, not waning. They do not understand why. The problem is that the establishment used every charge against Trump to lambaste the American people. Trump supporters basically have no regard at all for the establishment. They have earned the public's contempt.

[Hindsite]

I see this board has devolved into another 4chan wannabe.

I distinctly remember Republicans calling to impeach Obama less than a week after the 08 election (ACORN bring back any memories?). This is a classic case of hypocrisy. "Your side should not be allowed to do what my side has already done".
Grow up.

That was Michael Savage a radio host that first brought up impeachment for Obama.
I am still not convinced the Hawaii birth certificate was any more real than the one from Kenya.