[Igor Antunov]

Is...is Trump peached yet?

Man, what a saga. It only makes those of us who don't have a horse in the race all the more entertained.

[Zagadka]

Is...is Trump peached yet? :excited:

Because the only goal is Trump himself. The dozens of other indictments and charges don't matter. Obviously.

[blackjack21]

Not surprisingly conservatives don't get the difference between being a hedonist and being an asshole.

Trump was elected BECAUSE he was being an asshole to the establishment--a very popular position that is not at all intuitive to the establishment. That is why we frankly do not care if he runs a midget porno circus in his spare time. Compared to the phony Russiagate stuff, there really isn't anything that Trump could do that would make him look worse than the establishment.

[Decky]

Trump is an actual billionaire with connections in both parties, how much more of a member of the establishment could he be? You really would have to be a moron to buy the lie about Trump being some sort of political outsider.

[skinster]

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/collusion

I'm reminded of this hilarious interview, where a guy who wrote a book about the so-called collusion, couldn't explain what it was...so I won't expect much from the Russigaters ITT.

[blackjack21]

Trump is an actual billionaire with connections in both parties, how much more of a member of the establishment could he be? You really would have to be a moron to buy the lie about Trump being some sort of political outsider.

You would have to be a moron to think Trump was behind both Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush and that he's really in the White House exclusively to do the bidding of the Koch Brothers and Goldman Sachs. He's not. The establishment is controlled by Wall Street: the same people who gave you the Bush and Clinton dynasty. That is what Trump upended. It did not start with him either. In effect, it started with Ross Perot back in the 1990s. Perot ran for president to kill off the Bush presidency, but he ended up losing to Clinton who was coming in third place at one point.

Probably because you are a communist, you conflate everyone with money as being on the same side politically. There are huge differences between billionaire nationalists and billionaire internationalists. The Koch Brothers are just fine now with funding Democrats. Have you noticed how the Democrats aren't calling the Koch Brothers evil now? Most party politicians are dependent on big money.

All of the politicians for the most part are corrupt in some way. I like Trump, because he's upsetting the game of running Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton like there was some sort of meaningful difference. The public laps that stuff up. I do not. I'm not "fooled" as you suggest, because I am not a communist. It's as if you are much like the Democrats: if you trash someone long enough, the masses won't support that person and then they will suddenly switch to the communist party or the Democrats or whatever. For whatever reason, that strategy never works but some people find it appealing in spite of its long track record of failure, like communism itself.

I'm reminded of this hilarious interview, where a guy who wrote a book about the so-called collusion, couldn't explain what it was...so I won't expect much from the Russigaters ITT.

Just as peculiar is that we have proof of British collusion, which doesn't seem to bother anyone. The FBI was apparently paying the same British spy that Hillary Clinton was paying. The whole thing was cooked up. The same people waxing on about Russia are fervently hoping China's efforts to use tariffs to hurt Trump supporters in the soybean belt will inure to their political benefit.

This is why people with no moral scruples whatsoever shouldn't be making moral arguments in the political arena.

[Beren]

Trump Inadvertently Admits Russian Trump Tower Meeting Was About Getting Dirt on Hillary

[jimjam]

This is why people with no moral scruples whatsoever shouldn't be making moral arguments in the political arena.

May I presume that this reference to people with no moral scruples whatsoever applies to Donald's head lawyer Rudy Giuliani who in 2006/2007 was paid by Purdue Pharma to defend them from dozens of lawsuits resulting from their bringing to America the current opioid crisis that claims upwards of 100 lives per day.

Birds of a feather do flock together and, it seems, Rudy has found a new bird these days.

[jimjam]

Trump Inadvertently Admits Russian Trump Tower Meeting Was About Getting Dirt on Hillary

No way man ….. they were discussing the adaption of Russian babies and, I presume, the weather …..

[skinster]

[Beren]

[Zagadka]

Russiagate is like a mirage. It looks so real from a distance you'll swear it's there and mock anyone who says otherwise, but once you get up close

AKA, focusing only on Trump and ignoring the dozens of indictments already produced

[Beren]

AKA, focusing only on Trump and ignoring the dozens of indictments already produced

You should focus on Putin, not Trump. It's just mere coincidence they're on the same side in this case, even Trump can be truthful, honest, and right sometimes.

[blackjack21]

May I presume that this reference to people with no moral scruples whatsoever applies to Donald's head lawyer Rudy Giuliani who in 2006/2007 was paid by Purdue Pharma to defend them from dozens of lawsuits resulting from their bringing to America the current opioid crisis that claims upwards of 100 lives per day.

Birds of a feather do flock together and, it seems, Rudy has found a new bird these days.

Sure. I don't think of lawyers as moral actors generally. However, I would say it was the officers of Purdue Pharma that would have more to answer for than Giuliani.

No way man ….. they were discussing the adaption of Russian babies and, I presume, the weather …..

It's a pointless line of questioning, because Trump will just note that Loretta Lynch let Veselnitskaya into the country after the State Department refused her visa application; then, she went to see FusionGPS before meeting with Trump Jr, and went back to FusionGPS after meeting with Trump Jr. The whole thing ties back to Hillary Clinton for president. It was a poorly executed dirty trick. Poor execution is why Hillary Clinton isn't president of the US today--and the grace of God, of course.

[Sivad]

[skinster]

AKA, focusing only on Trump and ignoring the dozens of indictments already produced

Indictments don't prove "collusion", but that someone is charged for something, which isn't even the first pretend-crime of of Russia "hacking the election" which HRC won the majority vote of but lost because of the electoral college.

Man, what a saga. It only makes those of us who don't have a horse in the race all the more entertained.

Is this your way of saying you're no longer a Trump fanboy?

[Igor Antunov]

Because the only goal is Trump himself. The dozens of other indictments and charges don't matter. Obviously.

They're indictments, i.e they're fake charges. Very fake charges. Politically motivated charges with very little legal recourse. They're mainly meant for media consumption.

Trump should nuke the US media establishment from Orbit.

Is this your way of saying you're no longer a Trump fanboy?

Trump is still my alpha boi.

I was referring to the US regime. Let it burn, I don't care.

[Zagadka]

They're indictments, i.e they're fake charges.

I literally facepalmed. There is no point in even addressing that.

[skinster]

[jimjam]

Another difference is that Trump's approval rating is going up, while Nixon's went down.

I just came across this and wanted to rush it to your attention my friend .

A series of NBC News/Marist polls released late in July confirmed what Democrats are seeing on the ground ― even if officials in both parties say they believe the surveys overstated the Democratic advantage. In Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota, Trump’s approval rating stood below 40 percent.