[Rich]

Possibly. Vietnam, like all wars before it, was, essentially, a rich man's war and a poor man's fight. It is common knowledge that rich boys do not have to fight in wars.

You seem like an intelligent chap, but yet you write nonsense like this. I would have thought even watching 300 would be enough history to realise that this is not true. A brief acquaintance with Roman history would tell you that Aristocrats were far more likely to be killed in battle, or captured and killed in battle than the ordinary Roman. Well into the middle Ages it was expected that Kings and the heirs to the thrown would fight in battle. In Medieval warfare the aristocracy died out of all proportion to their numbers. Even in the first world war the aristocracy died in greater numbers and the working class less numbers than the average citizen. I strongly suspect the same was true of the second world war. British officers were expected to lead by example. In the Second world war officers died at higher rate than squadies. Aristocrats started as junior officers.

[Hindsite]

To jimjam:
You seem like an intelligent chap, but yet you write nonsense like this.

The problem with jimjam is that he has been brainwashed and programmed with liberal propaganda by the liberal teachers in the public schools. He is only a little better than "Pants-of-dogs" and both are too far gone for us to talk any sense into them, the best we can do is to pray for them. Praise the Lord.

[jimjam]

You seem like an intelligent chap

You certainly got that right and, I may add, it takes one to know one.

yet you write nonsense like this. I would have thought even watching 300 would be enough history to realise that this is not true.

I do not know what "300" is.

Permit me to qualify my observation. I was not referring to head count. I have contended for some time that anyone interested in finding truth ... simply follow the money. I was referring to war profiteers, rich men indeed. In Vietnam, for example, we dropped more bombs on that small country than we dropped in all of WW2. No doubt the owners of bomb factories, who I doubt were serving in the infantry in Vietnam, made a pretty penny. One more. Over 58,000 American boys came home in steel boxes. Good business for the steel casket business whose owners I doubt also ate mud and dodged bullets in Vietnam.

[jimjam]

<br abp="639">The problem with jimjam is that he has been brainwashed and programmed with liberal propaganda by the liberal teachers in the public schools. He is only a little better than "Pants-of-dogs" and both are too far gone for us to talk any sense into them, the best we can do is to pray for them. Praise the Lord.

Thanks for the prayers H.S. .................... now go back and get your daily dose from Fox Fake News

Praise money.

[jimjam]

i just luv watching libbies squeal...

Aw, come on. Us libbies demand equal squealing time. We had to listen to the Fox Fake News pinheads squeal about Obama and Clinton for years. My favorite of all time was the "news" story that Hillary was running a child porn operation out of a pizza parlor. My God ............ if that can gain traction amongst the pinheads it is little wonder that we have Donald marching around hugging flags.

[Buzz62]

Aw, come on. Us libbies demand equal squealing time. We had to listen to the Fox Fake News pinheads squeal about Obama and Clinton for years. My favorite of all time was the "news" story that Hillary was running a child porn operation out of a pizza parlor. My God ............ if that can gain traction amongst the pinheads it is little wonder that we have Donald marching around hugging flags.

Ya...you have a good point there.

I've tried to remain a "Centerist" politically, all my adult life.
When "Blackie McBlackman" was elected, I was jubilant and impressed.
And none of my feelings about the election had anything to do with skin colour.
I simply felt Obama was the best choice. I still think he's a remarkably lucid and intelligent person.
I watched FOX and McConnell as they trashed everything the man did. Hell they destroyed Boner's political career for just meeting with the president. But then he drew that idiotic "line in the sand" for Assad, and the BLM thing came to the forefront. Whoever advised him on that warning to Assad, is a bloody moron. A president cannot make idol threats, and everyone knew this was an idol threat. As far as BLM is concerned, I have always thought they are a criminal organization that should be taken apart with extreme prejudice. These jack-offs are proposing that cops are racist and should be shot.
Then the Muslim Refugee Crisis in Europe happened, and Libbies decided to allow tens of thousands of these people flood into Europe. It didn't take long for the bullshit to begin, while the Libbie leaders and media...blatantly ignored the issues and the people being killed, raped, blown to bits, etc, etc, etc...
Finally, Donny-Boy shocked the world, and became the POTUS. That sent Libbies right off the deep end. Now they revere cop killers, refuse to accept the obvious fact that BLM and Antifa played a HUGE part in the tragic death of Heather Heyer, and now think its a GOOD idea to disrespect the US anthem and flag. CNN, and Don Lemon in particular, have been so grossly disrespectful, that they actually make FOX's tirade about Obama, like like kiddie-porn. Its sick. Its divisive. And above all else, in todays world and the situation we are all in globally, its fuckin' dangerous.
Today...I find I simply loath Libbies and their blind-assed response to Donny-Boy. In essence, the butt-hurt whining and overwhelming sense of moral superiority Libbies openly display, has turned me sharply to the right.

[Potemkin]

In essence, the butt-hurt whining and overwhelming sense of moral superiority Libbies openly display, has turned me sharply to the right.

That's odd; it was my experience of the butt-hurt whining and overwhelming sense of moral superiority Libbies openly display which turned me sharply to the left.

[Buzz62]

That's odd; it was my experience of the butt-hurt whining and overwhelming sense of moral superiority Libbies openly display which turned me sharply to the left.

Not so odd. Very few Libbies actually have any idea of the damage they're doing. They react like a gaggle of old bitties sitting around sipping brandy-spiked tea, making anti-constitutional statements, and patting each other on the back every time a black person kills a cop. They refuse to acknowledge the crisis Europe is in, and to this day, advocate in the shrillest manner possible, for even more of these refugees to be allowed to come destroy European society. They even want these pleasant people to be allowed to do the same to the USA and Canada.
If these little old ladies really wanted to DO something about the plight of Black people in America, they'd begin by exploring how it is that, with all the educational and legal benefits of all citizens, they still manage to fail miserably at making good use of the resources available to them. There may be "systematic issues" that need addressing. But none of that will be addressed, if Libbies refuse to even acknowledge anything past "Cops Bad! We must kill cops!"
Its sickeningly dumb and wildly destructive.

[ingliz]

Is Trump Unpatriotic?

Yes, a true patriot would have signed on the dotted line. But 'true patriots' are incredibly stupid - only an idiot volunteers for infantry service - and anyone with any sense avoids the draft, if he can.

So I can't blame him, or his father, for gaming the system. What I find disgusting is the chicken hawk posturing 50 years later.

[Stormsmith]

You seem like an intelligent chap, but yet you write nonsense like this. I would have thought even watching 300 would be enough history to realise that this is not true. A brief acquaintance with Roman history would tell you that Aristocrats were far more likely to be killed in battle, or captured and killed in battle than the ordinary Roman. Well into the middle Ages it was expected that Kings and the heirs to the thrown would fight in battle. In Medieval warfare the aristocracy died out of all proportion to their numbers. Even in the first world war the aristocracy died in greater numbers and the working class less numbers than the average citizen. I strongly suspect the same was true of the second world war. British officers were expected to lead by example. In the Second world war officers died at higher rate than squadies. Aristocrats started as junior officers.

Proof please.

[Hindsite]

Proof please.

If you are asking for proof that "jimjam" is and intelligent chap, I don't think it will be forthcoming.

[jimjam]

This describes Donald's phony baloney "patriotism" to a tee:

Samuel Johnson famously considered patriotism “the last refuge of a scoundrel.” His biographer James Boswell, who passed along that judgment, clarified that Johnson “did not mean a real and generous love for our country, but that pretended patriotism which so many, in all ages and countries, have made a cloak for self-interest.”

[Hindsite]

This describes Donald's phony baloney "patriotism" to a tee:

Samuel Johnson famously considered patriotism “the last refuge of a scoundrel.” His biographer James Boswell, who passed along that judgment, clarified that Johnson “did not mean a real and generous love for our country, but that pretended patriotism which so many, in all ages and countries, have made a cloak for self-interest.”

Hillary Supporter GOES CRAZY After Trump Wins Wisconsin Electoral Votes

[jimjam]

Hillary Supporter GOES CRAZY After Trump Wins Wisconsin Electoral Votes

Very profound. Now back to the subject at hand.

Big talker Trump has claimed to have given millions of dollars to many different charities over the years. According to a recent Washington Post investigation, he’s given far, far less than he’s boasted―and far less than other billionaires of his (alleged) comparable wealth. Most of his donations have come through the Trump Foundation, to which he has donated little of his own fortune. All in all, over the past seven years, the Post reports that Trump has personally given less than $10,000 to charities. What’s patriotic about lying about your own philanthropy?

[Hindsite]

Very profound. Now back to the subject at hand.

Big talker Trump has claimed to have given millions of dollars to many different charities over the years. According to a recent Washington Post investigation, he’s given far, far less than he’s boasted―and far less than other billionaires of his (alleged) comparable wealth. Most of his donations have come through the Trump Foundation, to which he has donated little of his own fortune. All in all, over the past seven years, the Post reports that Trump has personally given less than $10,000 to charities. What’s patriotic about lying about your own philanthropy?

That may be fake news. However, even if true, a person does not have to give a lot to charity to be considered patriotic. Praise the Lord.

[Buzz62]

Very profound. Now back to the subject at hand.

Big talker Trump has claimed to have given millions of dollars to many different charities over the years. According to a recent Washington Post investigation, he’s given far, far less than he’s boasted―and far less than other billionaires of his (alleged) comparable wealth. Most of his donations have come through the Trump Foundation, to which he has donated little of his own fortune. All in all, over the past seven years, the Post reports that Trump has personally given less than $10,000 to charities. What’s patriotic about lying about your own philanthropy?

Indeed and really...who cares?
Ever heard the saying "no news is bad news"?
CNN spend every second of every day for 2 whole years, with pictures of Trump on the screen, making fun of him. In the beginning, he wasn't even a front runner. But day after day, it was "The Trump Show".
When he won the election there was such an outcry, that the echo can still be heard. CNN still runs "The Trump Show", and the constant public whining goes on and on and on and...

It was the lefties, first with their pompous laughter at him, then with their whining about him, CONSTANTLY, that helped get him elected to office.
Conga-rats.

If you want someone like Trump to go away, you have to find a way to completely ignore him.
Good luck with that now...

[jimjam]

Indeed and really...who cares?

Um ......... I do. It bothers me that the potus is a serial liar, hypocrite and the consummate con artist. And, of course Clinton and Obama demonstrate the same characteristics but Donald is way way off the charts. Oh ...... wait. I am only saying this because Donald won unexpectedly.

That may be fake news.

it is obvious and tiresome how Fox Fake News and it's indoctrinated zombies call EVERYTHING they happen to disagree with "fake".

It is a characteristic of those who have been conned to deny that they have been conned, most likely due to embarrassment.

[Political Interest]

Why would Trump have wanted to fight in Vietnam and what is to say it would have been 'patriotic' for him to do so? If your country is under attack by a real threat then it is patriotic to defend it. Vietnam was not a threat to America. I do not see how Trump was unpatriotic for not wanting to be killed in a pointless war in South East Asia.

[jimjam]

Why would Trump have wanted to fight in Vietnam and what is to say it would have been 'patriotic' for him to do so? If your country is under attack by a real threat then it is patriotic to defend it. Vietnam was not a threat to America. I do not see how Trump was unpatriotic for not wanting to be killed in a pointless war in South East Asia.

It is likely that you did not live in America during the 1960's when the Vietnam situation was being touted as a big enough threat to America that thousands of boys were forced to participate only to return in steel coffins. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Had he been drafted Donald replied that he would have "proudly served" .

Additionally, Trump actively sought the deferment by bringing a letter from his own doctor to the physical citing the bone spur problem.

Young men with access to friendly family physicians had this advantage at the time in dealing with draft physicals. Lower-income individuals, with no doctor but health issues bigger than bone spurs, could find themselves approved for military service.

When questioned years later Donald claimed that his "bone spurs" went away by themselves .

The only question here is: Exactly how full of shit is Donald?

[Hindsite]

The only question here is: Exactly how full of shit is Donald?

Cassius Clay was a real draft dodger. He also change his name to Muhammad Ali and claim to be a peaceful Muslim to get out of fighting in the Vietnam War. He did not realize there was no such thing in Islam.

Donald trump is less full of shit than many, even Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. I think I made a good decision by voting for Trump. Praise the Lord.