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Drlee wrote:Post your proof. Mouthing off again, right?

I would have to write a book. However, in this election DNC corruption was revealed by Wikileaks. Here is just one link on the DNC:

Wikileaks Proves Primary Was Rigged: DNC Undermined Democracy

The release provides further evidence the DNC broke its own charter violations by favoring Clinton as the Democratic presidential nominee, long before any votes were cast.

http://observer.com/2016/07/wikileaks-p ... democracy/
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Really? :?: Choosing a candidate in the party is NOT really a part of the democratic process. They have something called superdelegates. It's not much different from the GOP, mind you.

Superdelegates supported Hillary. Video about superdelegates(it's short but informative).
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Hindsite wrote:Yes, murder and other crimes do have a place in this society. But Christians, like me, are wishing for a really moral society in the future. Praise the Lord.

Good luck with that Bud. You are living in a country where government operatives had the POTUS (JFK) murdered :eek: .
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You've got remember that Joe Biden's sexual policy was based on rhe explicit notion that it was better that nine innocent men have their lives wrecked than one man guilty of a sexual mistemenor get away with it. The cultural Marxist feminazi movement may have started on campuses but the aim was always to spread it to the rest of society. Poor old Al Franken, he is very much reminiscent of the 1930's Bolsheviks, suddenly denounced, arrested and vilified. Very often the people who had been leading the purges only weeks earlier.

Like the Moscow show trials or the Salem witch hunt, once accused, protesting your innocence only adds to your guilt. Poor old Al trapped by the demented Feminazi police state culture that he had done so much to create and nurture. Women must always be believed, well unless the alleged perpetrator is Black or Muslim. Obviously the recorded words of Nicole Kidman, and the testimony of her sister and White female friends were dismissed as hysterical bigoted ramblings.

Anyway Frankens odd responses were his attempt to protest his innocence without protesting his innocence, which is itself a heinous crime in the feminazi religion.
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Dr Lee wrote:

They won't go this way though. They are simply not smart enough to do it. I am telling you I could teach them how to win. But nobody is really listening. They are too busy going to their drum-circle and organic-whale aquaculture classes.


Can I add a brief footnote to this? Yesterday when I came in from doing the horses I caught part of an interview with two academics who were urging that black American football pros should urge their supporters to vote (democratic). It struck me, in light of the above, that would be a good resource for mobilising an underused section of society.
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Yes it would. I don't know if they have "politics clauses" in their contracts or even if clauses like this would be legal but they have enormous chops with many voters.
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Warning, off topic:

Some years ago, Hubby and I were involved in getting a local politician recalled. Several of his party members in other ridings were subsequently targeted. We decided to go over to Vancouver and lend support. We were shown a map of areas that had been well canvassed and others that hadn't been. One if the latter was a First Nations reserve, and it was big. No one had been out there; no locals were activists. We drove over there.

One of the major reasons this politician was being recalled was because she wanted to close hospitals.

Long story short: people were literally coming out of their homes to sign on. Whole families. Some said, My sister is a nurse there . Others said the hospitals were required because they needed treatments, eg cancer. A little studied targeting can produce results.
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Drlee wrote:They do see it as the murder of the innocent. It illicits an almost visceral disgust in them. And like it or not this will not change. IF the democrats were trying to get an advantage on this issue they would show how their government social programs are giving pregnant women the option of not having a baby and bringing that baby up in stinging poverty. They would talk about food stamps in terms of hungry babies, etc. But they are not.

The problem is that their social libertine positions and general irreligious demeanor is the source of most unwanted pregnancy, not rape and incest. Where the Democrats have lost ground is that their "do what thou will" philosophy leads to so many problems from out-of-wedlock pregnancies, drug and alcohol dependence, crime, depression and suicide among other factors. Bringing up a baby in poverty is typically due to economic factors, education and single-parent child rearing. People that tend to live according to more conservative religious principles typically avoid the harsh socio-economic factors, such as single-parent child rearing.

Drlee wrote:Just look at the atheists on this forum. Most of them left of center and trying everything in their power to position themselves as the mortal enemy of every religious person out there. They call us stupid and deluded and then are surprised when Christian women in Alabama see a liberal as a greater threat than a guy accused of making passes at young women 40 years ago. The phrase 'clear and present danger' comes to mind.

Most religious people know that the leadership of the Democratic party and their allies in the media hold them in contempt. In the past, if you said names like Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity, you could figure they were Irish, therefore Catholic, and therefore Democrats. Since the far left took over the Democrats in '68, people who have maintained their religious faith have let their membership in the Democratic party slide and many have become Republicans. For example, in the current climate of people like Al Franken having to resign, the political left trashed Vice President Pence when he said he doesn't dine with women other than his wife without his wife being present. There isn't really any good reason to trash people like that, but that is what Democrats and their MSM propaganda outlets do routinely.

Drlee wrote:And you know. I am a conservative republican but not anything like the yahoos who are running the show these days.

You strike me as more of the fiscal conservative socially liberal middle of the road Republican, now known as RINOs. Charles Murray talks a lot about people like you; namely, that you live a more traditional lifestyle, but don't suggest that others should follow your lead. For brevity and in lieu of actually reading Murray's Coming Apart, have a look at this:

Tramps Like Them
Charles Murray Examines the White Working Class in ‘Coming Apart’

This is why running John McCain and Mitt Romney was a mistake.
Women in Fishtown now routinely have children outside of marriage. Less than a third of its children grow up in households that include both biological parents. The men claim physical disability at astounding rates and are less likely to hold down jobs than in the past. Churchgoing among the white working class has declined, eroding the social capital that organized religion once provided.

Illegitimacy, crime, joblessness — these are not merely the much debated pathologies of a black underclass, Murray finds. They are white people problems too.

Those are some very important points. The Irish were worse off than blacks when they started arriving in the US. However, it was the Catholic Church that was instrumental in taming alcoholism, poverty and neglect and even hunger. The people who need religion the most are now the ones who seek it out the least.

Drlee wrote:I voted for Clinton and Obama.

A conservative today would never vote for either. Obama is too far to the left on social issues, and Clinton is simply far too corrupt.

Drlee wrote:I never thought I would be confronted with the rogues gallery of candidates my party put forward this year. (I would have voted for Bush perhaps.)

Yet, they resonate with the working class, which is what your analysis consistently misses. Charles Murray picks up on this too.

High-I.Q. Americans have come to dominate elite colleges. They tend to marry one another — “cognitive homogamy” — and produce children statistically more likely to be smart themselves.

Cocooned in the same neighborhoods, this new upper class has its own culture. Its members don’t watch game shows or go to bars with pool tables in them. They are skinnier. They don’t smoke. They are, Murray insists, predominantly liberal. Yet this overclass, Murray finds, is also truer to the founding American virtues than is the white working class.

This is why I say that you are simply out of touch. The country has changed and you don't recognize it anymore.

In Belmont, births outside of marriage rose, but far more gradually than in Fishtown. The men — and many of the women — hold down jobs and work hard. Couples may have babies later in life, but they are meticulous about rearing them and obsessive about getting them into college.

The problem, Murray argues, is not that members of the new upper class eat French cheese or vote for Barack Obama. It is that they have lost the confidence to preach what they practice, adopting instead a creed of “ecumenical niceness.” They work, marry and raise children, but they refuse to insist that the rest of the country do so, too. “The belief that being a good American involved behaving in certain kinds of ways, and that the nation itself relied upon a certain kind of people in order to succeed, had begun to fade and has not revived,” Murray writes.

This is why I find your positions on gay marriage puzzling, because it is not a conservative view at all. For someone with enough of a health care/scientific background, you don't seem to see the complexity of teaching someone science but telling them they have two mothers and no father, for example. We already know that adopted children have far more emotional and mental health issues than children raised by their biological parents. We know that women who have abortions suffer depression after-the-fact at far higher rates than their counterparts who don't have abortions.

Kaiserschmarrn wrote:The old guard of Democrats are less purist but they are on the way out in the not so distant future, so this is very likely to get worse before it hopefully will get better.

In the United States, people like Nancy Pelosi are nominally Catholic. Yet, the up-and-coming folks in the party are essentially irreligious. They generally have contempt for traditional morality.

Decky wrote:The left has been moving to the right in the western world for decades now. Go peddle your nonsense elsewhere. Nationalisation, trade unionism, state owned housing and all other pro working class left wing issues have been totally abandoned for middle class centrist identity politics shit.

I think the current circumstances are even worse for someone of your ideology than for someone like Drlee. In your case, "working class" has an eroded meaning too since so many people are out of work. Outsourcing---first to Japan, Germany and Korea; then, to China, India, Vietnam and Mexico--has left the working class in the United States (and I assume Britain as well) broken to the point that the term "working" doesn't always ring true. China and Vietnam have nominally communist governments.

Decky wrote:Tell it to the DPRK. They are now armed with a nuclear deterrent to protect them from the yanks and can now begin to scale back on military spending in order to start working on their economy and achieving world socialism.

A die hard to the very end. It's working great in Venezuela. :roll:

Drlee wrote:The republicans stunned me this last cycle by not running a living soul for whom I could vote.

Yet, it seems mostly stylistic with you. Trump is a billionaire, but he's also a Brooklyn New Yorker. Obama's high handedness grated on me too, but I was far more concerned about policy just as I am now.

Drlee wrote:Once Bush left the race (with less than 10% in the polls) who was there for whom a sentient person could vote?

With Bush and Clinton, you have a combination of neoconservative war initiation--mostly fought by working class people for the interests of the upper classes--and dynastic politics. How did dynastic politics not rub you the wrong way?

Drlee wrote:The republicans could run a pro-life dog with a note in his mouth and win where it matters.

They could have eked out a win in Virginia if they didn't run people like Ed Gillespie. However, the people who could win you would find entirely unpalatable. I think that goes back the comments on Charles Murray. Today's upper-middle and upper class have their own culture.

Stormsmith wrote:I think support for the Obama-Holder effort to sort out this gerrymandering mess will untimely yield good results.

The odd part of that is that it is the backbone of black politics in the Democratic party. John Conyers stepped aside too, but was one of the longest serving members of Congress of all time and the longest serving of the current class. That's because the Republicans gerrymandered safe seats for Democrats in largely black neighborhoods.

Stormsmith wrote:I also think the press gave Trump enough free air time to make him into a movement. The money they made off Trump will cost each of you dearly.

I'm doing very well with Trump in the White House. Our stock has taken off. I save about 26% of my income, 15% of which I use to buy our stock at a discount. So about $10k of my paychecks over six months is about $17k now. It makes it kind of tight on a monthly basis, but my portfolio is doing very well. I've got enough for another 20% down payment on a house in free cash flow.

Drlee wrote:Joe Biden with Warren as VP would be an unstoppable ticket. Two bulldogs against a fractured party.

It will probably never happen, but: the Governor of Montana is a close friend of my first cousin. Bullock is actually a normal guy. He will tow the party line, but he can appeal to conservatives, working class people and rural folks. The Democrats have a much bigger problem. They have become a coastal party. You are still pitching the idea that they can win on identity politics with women as a wedge issue. I frankly don't think that will work for them. Longer term, after Brown retires as Governor of California, the Democrats will probably put Gavin Newsom up as a big state Democrat with liberal bona fides. Biden is old. Warren has no accomplishments.

Drlee wrote:I think the republicans know that they can't win the presidency in 20. Trump will bring them down even if they dump him as dumping him will kick sand in the faces of his lowbrow supporters.

See again where this is a class and culture issue for you rather than about policy differences? I think Trump can pull it off again. The Democrats should be more organized, but they seem committed to this idea that America needs a female president. That is not going to appeal to working class males or females, and it won't appeal to conservative rural areas either. Remember, this is the second time in 20 years that the Democrats have one the popular vote and lost the election. That's why I say they need someone like Steve Bullock. Like Bill Clinton in 1992--from a small socially conservative state--Bullock could put together a winning coalition. The problem is that he doesn't have deep ties to Wall Street.

Drlee wrote:Banon's threat to primary moderate republicans is playing right into the democrat's hands. They would far prefer to run against far-right candidates in the light red districts.

We shall see. So far, you've mostly been wrong about this stuff.

jimjam wrote:You are living in a country where government operatives had the POTUS (JFK) murdered :eek: .

We're living in a country where the DNC, Hillary Clinton and the FBI colluded to create a fake Russia collusion narrative and have put together an extremely partisan independent counsel staff to try to overturn the results of the 2016 presidential election using taxpayer funds.

Rich wrote:Women must always be believed, well unless the alleged perpetrator is Black or Muslim.

Or a Republican accusing a Democrat...

Stormsmith wrote:Can I add a brief footnote to this? Yesterday when I came in from doing the horses I caught part of an interview with two academics who were urging that black American football pros should urge their supporters to vote (democratic). It struck me, in light of the above, that would be a good resource for mobilising an underused section of society.

I'm sure it will only continue to accelerate the NFL's decline.
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I think the current circumstances are even worse for someone of your ideology than for someone like Drlee. In your case, "working class" has an eroded meaning too since so many people are out of work. Outsourcing---first to Japan, Germany and Korea; then, to China, India, Vietnam and Mexico--has left the working class in the United States (and I assume Britain as well) broken to the point that the term "working" doesn't always ring true. China and Vietnam have nominally communist governments.


A myth. :roll:

Britain still has factories, farms, power plants etc, we operate all the necessities of civilised life and they are all operated by workers. Any shortfall (we only produce half of our own food for example) will be made good post revolution (land confiscations from the rich for collective farms will sort out the food production issue in just one 5 year plan).
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