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Is "taming" a synonym for "genocide and rape" in American English?

DONALD TRUMP SAYS ‘OUR ANCESTORS TAMED A CONTINENT' AND ‘WE ARE NOT GOING TO APOLOGIZE FOR AMERICA’

BY JASON LE MIERE ON 5/25/18 AT 12:44 PM

President Donald Trump said at a Naval Academy commencement address Friday that “our ancestors tamed a continent,” adding that “we are not going to apologize for America.”

"Together there is nothing Americans can't do, absolutely nothing," Trump told 2018 graduates of the U.S. Naval Academy. “In recent years, and even decades, too many people have forgotten that truth. They've forgotten that our ancestors trounced an empire, tamed a continent, and triumphed over the worst evils in history."

He added: "America is the greatest fighting force for peace, justice and freedom in the history of the world. We have become a lot stronger lately. We are not going to apologize for America. We are going to stand up for America."

Before Europeans arrived in what became the United States, Native Americans occupied the land but were forced to relinquish territory as the new Americans pushed westward as part of what was termed “manifest destiny.” In 1830, President Andrew Jackson signed the Indian Removal Act, which led to the deaths of thousands of Native Americans.

Trump previously caused controversy when he held an event honoring Native Americans in the Oval Office last November with a portrait of Jackson in the background. Trump has regularly praised Jackson, although at times with a questionable grasp of history. He has also repeatedly referred to Democratic Senator Elizabeth Warren, who has claimed Native American heritage," as "Pocahontas."

"A nation must have pride in its history to have confidence in its future," Trump said Friday. The president's comments mirrored a tweet he sent out in March celebrating National Agriculture Day.

"Our Nation was founded by farmers," he wrote. "Our independence was won by farmers. And our continent was tamed by farmers. Our farmers always lead the way -- we are PROUD of them, and we are DELIVERING for them! #NationalAgricultureDay

Trump added Friday it was a great time for the graduates to be joining the Navy. "We are witnessing the great reawakening of the American spirit and of American might," he said. "We have rediscovered our identity, regained our stride and we're proud again."


"Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
Our Nation was founded by farmers. Our independence was won by farmers. And our continent was tamed by farmers. Our farmers always lead the way -- we are PROUD of them, and we are DELIVERING for them! #NationalAgricultureDay"


:lol: Yeah, our Donald always had great respect for farmers. About the farming family next to his golf course in Scotland, he said "they live like pigs." Sure, Donald, that's what farming is like. It's a far cry from the degeneracy of your golden tower (shower).

"America is the greatest fighting force for peace, justice and freedom in the history of the world."

He means he wants to bring war and oppression to the world. That'll be "taming" on a global scale.
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They've forgotten that our ancestors trounced an empire, tamed a continent, and triumphed over the worst evils in history."


Great ‘fake news’ title. Just pick and choose words from the quote so it appears he said something he didn’t.
Sad.
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A genetic study (Bryc et al. 2014) found that many as 8% of European Americans from Louisiana and 3% of white individuals from some states in the West and Southwest carry Native American ancestry. In the initial phase of American colonisation, intermarriage across ethnic lines was more common than we thought. Indians in traditional Indian areas are also more likely to be married to whites than are Indians in nontraditional Indian areas (Sandefur and McKinnell 1986).

We find that many self-reported European Americans, predominantly those living west of
the Mississippi River, carry Native American ancestry (Figure 3B). Though the average levels
of Native American ancestry are trace, if we examine the frequency with which European Americans
carry at least 2% Native American ancestry, we see that Native American ancestry occurs
most frequently in Louisiana, North Dakota, and other states in the West. We estimate that 4%
of self-reported European Americans living in Louisiana and North Dakota carry segments of
Native American ancestry. Using a less stringent threshold of 1%, our estimates suggest that as
many as 8% of individuals from Lousiana and upwards of 3% of individuals from some states
in the West and Southwest, carry Native American ancestry (Figure S8).
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv ... 0.full.pdf


Y-DNA haplogroup R1 (M173) is found predominantly in North American groups like the Ojibwe (50-79%), Seminole (50%), Sioux (50%), Cherokee (47%), Dogrib (40%) and Tohono O'odham (Papago) (38%). R1 (M173) was not introduced by European settlers because R1b and R1a, which most Europeans belong to, are descendant lineages of haplogroup R1 (M173). R1 most likely entered the Americas through prehistoric Amerindian immigration from Asia through Beringia. The First Americans received ancient gene flow from the MA-1 lineage into Native American ancestors, according to Raghavan et al. (2014). R1 is the Y-DNA haplogroup of MA-1, which is basal to modern-day western Eurasians and near the root of most Native American lineages. The Mal'ta boy (MA-1) lived in south-central Siberia around 24,000 years ago and 14 to 38% of Native American ancestry originated through gene flow from this ancient population.

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The origins of the First Americans remain contentious. Although Native Americans seem to be genetically most closely related to east Asians1,2,3, there is no consensus with regard to which specific Old World populations they are closest to4,5,6,7,8. Here we sequence the draft genome of an approximately 24,000-year-old individual (MA-1), from Mal’ta in south-central Siberia9, to an average depth of 1×. To our knowledge this is the oldest anatomically modern human genome reported to date. The MA-1 mitochondrial genome belongs to haplogroup U, which has also been found at high frequency among Upper Palaeolithic and Mesolithic European hunter-gatherers10,11,12, and the Y chromosome of MA-1 is basal to modern-day western Eurasians and near the root of most Native American lineages5. Similarly, we find autosomal evidence that MA-1 is basal to modern-day western Eurasians and genetically closely related to modern-day Native Americans, with no close affinity to east Asians. This suggests that populations related to contemporary western Eurasians had a more north-easterly distribution 24,000 years ago than commonly thought. Furthermore, we estimate that 14 to 38% of Native American ancestry may originate through gene flow from this ancient population. This is likely to have occurred after the divergence of Native American ancestors from east Asian ancestors, but before the diversification of Native American populations in the New World. Gene flow from the MA-1 lineage into Native American ancestors could explain why several crania from the First Americans have been reported as bearing morphological characteristics that do not resemble those of east Asians2,13. Sequencing of another south-central Siberian, Afontova Gora-2 dating to approximately 17,000 years ago14, revealed similar autosomal genetic signatures as MA-1, suggesting that the region was continuously occupied by humans throughout the Last Glacial Maximum. Our findings reveal that western Eurasian genetic signatures in modern-day Native Americans derive not only from post-Columbian admixture, as commonly thought, but also from a mixed ancestry of the First Americans.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature12736
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One Degree wrote:Great ‘fake news’ title. Just pick and choose words from the quote so it appears he said something he didn’t.
Sad.
The thing is, though, is that he DID say it. Therefore, it's not "fake news".

I don't think some of you right wingers are capable of telling what is news, and what is NOT news. You're so used to tuning into your Fox news and having them tell you exactly what to think, that you've lost the capacity to think on your own. You are also incapable of telling what is 'spin' and what is opinion.
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Suntzu wrote:Sitting Bull won the battle but lost the war. He was killed by members of his own tribe. :p


Oh ..... good work Sherlock. Custer said as he and his men raced down the hill toward the Little Big Horn, "We've caught them napping, boys." :lol: They then raced back up the hill and Custer took a bullet over his heart and one in his head. Sitting Bull initially rode out under a flag of truce to negotiate with the now drunk Reno. When his favorite horse was shot out from under him he got pissed off and the rest is history.
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It's one thing to brag about "taming a continent", which cost the lives of tens of millions. But continue with "America triumphed over the worst evils in history" and "America is the greatest fighting force for peace, justice and freedom in the history of the world"?

Americans are not only bloody fascists but also delusional as fuck.
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Atlantis wrote:Is "taming" a synonym for "genocide and rape" in American English?

Establishing the rule of law isn't genocide or rape. The histrionics of the modern left is superfluous.

Zagadka wrote:We genocided the SHIT out of our country! Hoorah USA!

There was no intention to exterminate native tribes. Leftists waxing on about the clash of civilizations is tiresome. Classical civilization triumphed in Europe too. The Celts whine about this incessantly, but not one of them really wants to return to a tribal existence.

Rugoz wrote:It's one thing to brag about "taming a continent", which cost the lives of tens of millions.

It didn't cost tens of millions of lives. North America was pretty sparsely populated.
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blackjack21 wrote:There was no intention to exterminate native tribes.


Intention is difficult to establish in the historical context, though. By the same reasoning, you could argue that "the Nazis had no intention to exterminate the Jews." The intention was to "deport the European Jews." It's only when that became impossible during the war, that the policy of extermination was applied. The same applies to the extermination of the American Indians. Thus, both have to be treated as genocide.

Establishing the rule of law isn't genocide or rape.


The Indians had laws too. Going by the "law of the strongest" (or jungle), the US applies in international relations today, it's not possible to claim that the genocide of the American Indians brought about an improvement in the rule of law.

Rugoz wrote:Whether it was intentional or not is not even relevant in this context. Trump bragged about it and followed up with how America is the greatest force for peace and justice in history.


Trump isn't as dumb as some like to think. He deliberately selected the venue of the Naval Academy to present his interpretation of history as a way of underpinning his vision of the future. In that view, the lives of Arabs, Latinos or Asians are worth no more than the lives of the Indians were to the settlers. It is the young naval cadets he is addressing who will have to apply that vision to "taming the world," no matter how many have to be killed to arrive at that objective.

The problem is that many Americans agree with him. This won't go away even if Trump were to lose the next election.
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Hilarious that people throw a tantrum over this. Sounds like a long-standing and quite generic American self-image.

Atlantis wrote:Intention is difficult to establish in the historical context, though. By the same reasoning, you could argue that "the Nazis had no intention to exterminate the Jews." The intention was to "deport the European Jews." It's only when that became impossible during the war, that the policy of extermination was applied. The same applies to the extermination of the American Indians. Thus, both have to be treated as genocide.

Intention is difficult to establish, so let's just assume that there was intention. :knife:

Note that it's *not* difficult to establish the intention of Nazi Germany to exterminate the Jews.
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Rugoz wrote:
For non-Trumpists the American self-image is quite a bit more complex than that.

As for "throwing an tantrum", I don't see why we should accept Trump's verbal diarrhea as the new normal.

I'm just enjoying seeing Trump derangement syndrome in action.
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