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[Zag Note: Fake headline corrected]

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/06/ ... state.html

People are arguing about how water use works but those on the right claim that a typical 8-minute shower takes up about 17 gallons, running an average washing machine takes up about 40. So if you take an 8-minute shower and do your laundry on the same day in California you will soon be fined $1,000 and up to $10,000 if it's during a drought.

The usual suspects are nitpicking about this being "fake news". Politifact says that it's actually the municipalities that get fined, which seems to suggest that somehow these fines won't make their way back to the people using the water (only inflated for transactional reasons), so apparently they think people can just ignore the law or something. Snopes says that a washing machine only uses 30 gallons of water, so you can in fact shower and do your laundry on the same day, assuming that you live alone and don't shower for more than 8 minutes.

Although this whole shower and laundry thing seems to be getting debated, let's consider what other things you can't do. Bath tubs are basically illegal in California unless we are talking about some kind of absurdly small bathtub. Watering your lawn is pretty much going to be a thing of the past, although I always preferred cactus to grass anyway, I can imagine that everyone's gardens and yards will start looking very different. And can you have many people living in one house now? If you have 4 people take an 8-minute shower each, that would be 68 gallons of water right there (17x4). So basically, showering every day will now be a thing of the past for many Californians, or they can learn to take some kind of ridiculous super fast shower and they're probably expected to blame Trump or something for that.

Honestly, as an ex-Californian myself, the things I'm reading following the Democrat's poor performance in recent elections and the kinds of laws that will be going into effect have me wondering if California isn't going to turn into a swing state.
#14922401
Who spends 8 minutes in the shower? I doubt I have the water running for 3 minutes during my shower. If you want to take a bath fill the tub and leave the water there for a week. Daily baths and a quick rinse in the shower after woods. Then use the water for your plants and mopping the floor.

Anyway, lol, at your attempt to criticise the demos for this. Like they caused the drought with all their solar panels and electric cars.
#14922439
http://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article212605634.html

    No, Californians, it's not against the law to shower and do laundry on the same day — even though loud voices in the conservative blogosphere are claiming it is.

    Taking aim at two water-conservation laws signed last week by Gov. Jerry Brown, a conspiratorial far-right financial blog called Zero Hedge reported Sunday that Californians could be fined $1,000 a day if they bathe and wash their clothes on the same day.

    "If you don't plan to comply it's going to be way cheaper to move," the blog post stated.

    The bogus information, which appears to have originated on a site called "The Organic Prepper," was widely disseminated on Twitter and Facebook, and cited by several conservative websites, including the Federalist Papers and Breitbart.

    Joe Walsh, a conservative radio host and former congressman with 139,000 Twitter followers, shared a link to the blog post Monday and added: "California is awful. Just awful."

    Republican U.S. Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Tulare, didn't link to the post, but he expressed his frustration on his blog that Californians would face "draconian" showering and laundry restrictions because of "environmental extremists and the Democrats."

    "Californians don't want to have to choose between doing their laundry and taking a shower," he said.

    Those claims, however, aren't true. The shower and laundry police won't be knocking on doors anytime soon.

    The two bills, AB 1668 and SB 606, set general guidelines for water agencies to follow in California's post-drought era.

    Water agencies will be encouraged to have their customers limit indoor water use to an average of 55 gallons a day per person, declining to 50 gallons by 2030.

    But that's just a target a water district will be asked to meet across its ratepayer base, as part of a broader "water budget" strategy.

    Assemblywoman Laura Friedman, D-Glendale, author of AB 1668, accused Zero Hedge, Nunes and others of spreading "pure fiction."

    "I wish people would stop scaring people with this sort of thing," she said.
    Under the bills Brown signed, individual water agencies will be required to factor in the 55-gallon target into their water-efficiency goals, but it's just one part of a utility's conservation calculations.

    State regulators in consultation with local water agencies also will set limits on how much water can be used to water lawns and fill swimming pools. Outdoor use accounts for the lion's share of total residential consumption in much of California.

    But those outdoor standards will vary greatly from one district to the next. The legislation allows for places like Sacramento with comparatively large yards and hot, dry summers to use more water outdoors than in foggy coastal regions where yards are small and cool weather lessens the need to water as much.

    The new rules also encourage water providers to replace leaky infrastructure. Ancient pipes and crumbling water mains account for millions of gallons of wasted water statewide.

    The idea behind the legislation is that all those factors — the indoor standards, the limits on outdoor water use, making water systems more efficient — will be built into a utility's "water budget."

    "The only thing the water supplier is going to be measured on is, 'Are they within budget?' " said Max Gomberg, climate and conservation manager with the State Water Resources Control Board.

    Zero Hedge claimed that Californians will get fined if if they shower and wash clothes on the same day because a single load of laundry will consume 40 gallons of water alone.

    But that claim doesn't hold water either.

    While 20 years ago, an inefficient top-loading washer might use 40 gallons, most high efficiency washers now use between 9 and 26 gallons per load, according to Consumer Reports.

    Californians have been switching to these more efficient washers as their old machines wear out, along with their old shower heads, toilets and dishwashers, Gomberg said.

    Plus, even if you have a 40-gallon washer, each person living in your household probably won't run separate loads of laundry every day. And, even if they do, their neighbor probably won't.

    Remember, it's the average per capita water use across a district that counts.

    All those factors combined is why Gomberg is optimistic that Californians can hit those targets.

    Several cities, including San Francisco and Santa Cruz, already average less than 55 gallons per person per day for both indoor and outdoor use, he said.

    Gomberg's home in the Bay Area uses 25 to 35 gallons of water per person daily, even with "a toilet that isn't ... even as efficient as some of the newer models, I'm embarrassed to say."

    Gomberg said the 55-gallon figure isn't new. State lawmakers set it as the standard for indoor use almost 10 years ago, an amount that is greater than what's allowed in many European countries.

    So what about those $1,000 fines?

    Eventually, the new legislation says water providers not following the rules could face fines of up to $1,000 a day, and more if the governor declares a drought emergency.

    But it's the water agencies — not individual ratepayers — that would get the fines. Sure, a district could pass those costs onto your water bill, but think dollars and cents instead of thousands out of your bank account.

    So how difficult would it be to meet the 55-gallon standard?

    Not very, according to estimates by the Alliance for Water Efficiency.

    Imagine a family of four living in a home with old, inefficient toilets, old faucets, old shower heads, an old dishwasher and a 40-gallon washing machine. If they took four eight-minute showers, washed a load of clothes and did a load of dishes each day, they would use just under 60 gallons per person per day.

    Replace the washing machine with a high efficiency front loader, and the family — without upgrading toilets, sinks, shower heads or the dish washer — would use about 54 gallons per person per day.

So the OP is simply wrong.
#14922487
So the rich will have no problem, but the poor will? Special consideration for swimming pools?
How about not encouraging an increase in population? Why have they not banned new hookups?
During the energy crisis, many communities banned new hookups. It is a simple solution that makes even more sense for drought prone areas. It appears to be another politician trick for increasing revenue and blaming individuals for government mismanagement. This is basically a hidden tax that has no intention of addressing the real problem.
#14922601
It is obvious a lie but even if the fantasy world Republicans live in was true who cares? I don't get why people live in California at all;, it is a fucking sandy hellhole. The US has no shortage of decent land so why cram millions of people into a fucking desert? :?: They have half half a continent to put people in, no shortage of proper land with no water shortage whatsoever and yet people choose to cram themselves into California. Why don't they just move somewhere less shit? People who choose to live in a desert do not have a right to infinite water.
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#14922629
Decky wrote:Why though? It is hot and there isn't enough water to sustain human life without poaching it from states fit for human habitation.

Only in SoCal. The north is far nicer.

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