[Tainari88]

My main concern is class conflict and power relationships all this constant shit I hear about the low IQ who are never Chinese or European is not going to solve the issue of European youth not immigrating to the USA to work on high tech industries. It is not happening.

Michio Kaku stated the H2 visas and more than half of doctoral students are not American and in the future will not be from Europe--the Asians are pulling ahead in their own economies like Singapore, SouthKorea,Japan, etc and won't seek American positions. You either invest in the youth you got in your schools now whether they are white or not or you lose.

Bill Gates basically said you got to educate all the kids who are living in low income areas of the world--if you don't the future is about collapse due to lousy educations for huge swathes of youth.

Identity segregated schools where 99 percent of a school is all poor and mainly Black or Latino @annatar1914 an if they are being given crap educations en masse and the white well educated youth from Finland and Norway and Germany are not coming? Who needs to stop whining and invest in the kids who are here and are not going anywhere else? You answer that one?

They wasted trillions in war and crap about WMD's and now there is no money they claim for kids, seniors, housing or raising flat worker incomes. Just shut your big ethnic mouth. And accept the wisdom of the big fat orange tan and his idea of America. Whatever...@annatar1914 Whatever...@ann the Right is insane.

[annatar1914]

My main concern is class conflict and power relationships all this constant shit I hear about the low IQ who are never Chinese or European is not going to solve the issue of European youth not immigrating to the USA to work on high tech industries. It is not happening.

Those jobs aren't going to much of anyone in the USA.

Michio Kaku stated the H2 visas and more than half of doctoral students are not American and in the future will not be from Europe--the Asians are pulling ahead in their own economies like Singapore, SouthKorea,Japan, etc and won't seek American positions. You either invest in the youth you got in your schools now whether they are white or not or you lose.

People have to rid themselves of a sub-culture that glorifies crime, rape, treating women like shit, drugs, deviant Lumpenprole behavior, consumerism, and a pervasive anti-intellectualism to get even slightly ahead instead of falling behind. Only an Enemy of these people no doubt saddled them with this anti-culture.

Bill Gates basically said you got to educate all the kids who are living in low income areas of the world--if you don't the future is about collapse due to lousy educations for huge swathes of youth.

Bill Gates says a lot of things, some you don't hear so much because they sound frankly Eugenicist.

Identity segregated schools where 99 percent of a school is all poor and mainly Black or Latino @annatar1914 an if they are being given crap educations en masse and the white well educated youth from Finland and Norway and Germany are not coming? Who needs to stop whining and invest in the kids who are here and are not going anywhere else? You answer that one?

Again, the problem is not just the Elites, but a deviant sub-culture created by the Elites to foster loser behavior in the lower classes, makes them easier to exploit, or even abort or contracept or sterilize to death if they get too inconvenient.

They wasted trillions in war and crap about WMD's and now there is no money they claim for kids, seniors, housing or raising flat worker incomes. Just shut your big ethnic mouth. And accept the wisdom of the big fat orange tan and his idea of America. Whatever...@annatar1914 Whatever...@ann the Right is insane.

The real news is, is that it's going to get a lot worse, and neither side has much of a clue.

[blackjack21]

It might take two or three more presidential cycles but unless the corrupt ones get off their asses and do something about working class rights all these smug racist white politicians are going to feel the agony of defeat.

Hispanic-Latino Unemployment Rate Hits Lowest Level on Record in June
They're already breaking towards Trump. I've been saying this for years, and Trump knows it too. The people most hurt by illegal aliens from Central America are Hispanic Americans. They now have the lowest unemployment rate ever and rising wages. They are breaking for Trump. White males and Millenials are now trending toward the Republicans. The NeverTrumpers like so-called conservative George F. Will--as atheist as Vladimir Lenin--are going nowhere fast.

@blackjack21 is clueless about how to solve class conflict from corrupt freaks like Trump.

I'm not trying to solve for global poverty. I'm worried exclusively about the United States, and my secondary concern are to its allies.

are all low IQ' s like Ocasio-Cortez and Salazar etc yeah whatever I have not met an unintelligent socialist dummy in my life.

I didn't say Ocasio-Cortez was low IQ. Are you schizophrenic or something? Hearing things?

Climate change is the key @annatar1914 .

Pipe dream...

[Tainari88]

Those jobs aren't going to much of anyone in the USA.



People have to rid themselves of a sub-culture that glorifies crime, rape, treating women like shit, drugs, deviant Lumpenprole behavior, consumerism, and a pervasive anti-intellectualism to get even slightly ahead instead of falling behind. Only an Enemy of these people no doubt saddled them with this anti-culture.



Bill Gates says a lot of things, some you don't hear so much because they sound frankly Eugenicist.



Again, the problem is not just the Elites, but a deviant sub-culture created by the Elites to foster loser behavior in the lower classes, makes them easier to exploit, or even abort or contracept or sterilize to death if they get too inconvenient.



The real news is, is that it's going to get a lot worse, and neither side has much of a clue.

@annatar1914 most low income places have decent working class families. You see a theme going on here with Ocasio-Cortez and Julia Salazar? Community organizing. It is hard work and it is about meetings, talking, persuading, educating, analyzing and getting in a room and targeting the opposition for weaknesses. Building coalitions and hitting the campaign trail, doing interviews, hitting the media, going to academics, getting a bunch of translators and finding funds to pay the translators big bucks, etc. But it works!

Most Latino neighborhoods are not lumpen proles who never are interested in becoming organized.
Given the correct tools and solid plans? The sky is the limit for grass roots organizing. It takes tremendous effort to beat money and corrupt establishment people. But it can be done. $27 buck donations at a time. I used to tell my parent leaders, "yes it is true, you are poor, don't have the right to vote, your kids are getting lousy educations, the superintendent makes 300k a year and has no accountability written into his contract for making sure your child gets a decent education They don't care about your kid's education. What do you have that they don't have?" They were stumped. "You got numbers and if organized if they don't respond to 7 out of 10 of your demands? And you fight them tooth and nail? Eventually they don't have a job. But no pressure and not doing anything out of fear will destroy any possibilities for your kids. Fight now and be relentless. You will see change." They won the campaign. The super had to cave. No choice. That is reality. You make change via hard work, organizing and fighting. There are a lot of poor people @annatar1914 And the rich are not abundant. Pressure from the many is very effective--but only if they sweat and organize..la VICTORIA viene.

You give up and give in? You get nowhere in life and in la politica Senor Annatar.

[One Degree]

$27 buck donations at a time.

This sounds like an elitist @Tainari88 pretending to be a communist.
You don’t even understand this is a lot of money to many of us. It is hilarious Communists in America seem to be upper middle class. You are an anthropologist? Did you get your degree in the US? Do you frequent Starbucks?
How come you see white people as the cause of all problems, yet you demand they provide help for nonwhites?
Do you not believe in the abilities of those you champion?
You talk about ‘class struggle’ in a country that uses social welfare to jump the lowest on the economic ladder over the workers. A complete abomination of Marx.

[Tainari88]

@One Degree you have tremendous lacks in understanding concepts. I wish I had the time..but I don't. Just get a book on political science definitions or if your eyes are tiring pop in a video for YouTube. For summaries by polisci profs. If you were an educator you were not a good one my man.

Citizens United made the issue of greed and corruption the norm. How you equate small donations from individuals the same as millions and billions? Faulty logic @One Degree

[SpecialOlympian]

Guys, I don't think progessive policies will ever be popular. Democrats should try to be more like Republicans. As a centrist, I-

You don’t even understand this is a lot of money to many of us.

If you are a retired teacher, as you claim, just how badly did you fuck up in life that $27 is a life changing amount of money in retirement?

Like is all of your monthly pension going toward paying interest only on maxxed out credit cards or something?

A one time payment of $27: an unachievable dream for most white people. Yeah, we should totally let these clueless fucks keep running the country.

[One Degree]

@SpecialOlympian said...

If you are a retired teacher, as you claim, just how badly did you fuck up in life that $27 is a life changing amount of money in retirement?

So many things wrong with this statement, but I will just mention a couple.
Embarrassingly elitist. Naive in thinking you are in control. Apparently younger than I thought or you would be aware of many older people getting screwed over by attorneys, doctors, employers, and the government. All you have to do to end up poor is to have never wanted to be rich. I am sorry you think a person’s worth is determined by income. We are all one misfortune away from poverty.

[Beren]

"Elitist" must be your curse word, @One Degree. How is it elitism if someone says a retired teacher should easily afford a one-time payment of $27 in the US? Also, how is being a Bernie supporter elitism while supporting Trump and his cronies, whose greatest accomplishment has been the tax cuts for the rich, is a clear affiliation with the common people?

[One Degree]

"Elitist" must be your curse word, @One Degree. How is it elitism if someone says a retired teacher should easily afford a one-time payment of $27 in the US? Also, how is being a Bernie supporter elitism while supporting Trump and his cronies, whose greatest achievement has been the tax cuts for the rich, is a clear affiliation with the common people?

I did not bother to correct that assumption. I am retired and I was a teacher. That does not mean I am drawing a teacher’s pension. I taught 17 years and took a lump sum from accrued retirement benefits to finance a new business. Elitist is crying tears for the poor while believing $27 is not a big deal to them. Our ‘safety net’ is mainly benefits, not cash. Cash is in short supply and the system is designed to make sure of it. If you work to earn an extra $50 cash, your rent will go up and some benefits may go down. My neighbors often borrow quarters. Few have $27 that is not already earmarked.

[Beren]

I did not bother to correct that assumption. I am retired and I was a teacher. That does not mean I am drawing a teacher’s pension. I taught 17 years and took a lump sum from accrued retirement benefits to finance a new business. Elitist is crying tears for the poor while believing $27 is not a big deal to them. Our ‘safety net’ is mainly benefits, not cash. Cash is in short supply and the system is designed to make sure of it. If you work to earn an extra $50 cash, your rent will go up and some benefits may go down. My neighbors often borrow quarters. Few have $27 that is not already earmarked.

I still pay more than $27/month for my broadband internet access in Hungary, although the Hungarian currency has been drastically weakening, and it's just a portion of my living costs. It also costs more if I just go and buy some food for a half week in Tesco. So how is it so much for an average US person to donate?

[One Degree]

I still pay more than $27/month for my broadband internet access in Hungary, although the Hungarian currency has been drastically weakening, and it's just a portion of my living costs. It also costs more if I just go and buy some food in Tesco. So how is it so much for an average US person to donate?

So now you are changing it to an ‘average person’? My neighbor and I share internet access which is how we can afford it. Are you suggesting I should drop my internet so I have that extra $27 to donate? The key is extra. That means after necessities, as we each define them.

[Beren]

So now you are changing it to an ‘average person’? My neighbor and I share internet access which is how we can afford it. Are you suggesting I should drop my internet so I have that extra $27 to donate? The key is extra. That means after necessities, as we each define them.

I'm talking about the average person because you're talking about elitism. I'm sure there are poor people in the US too, but you don't have to belong in the elite to be able to make a one-time $27 donation, and it's not elitism to say that it's not a life-changer for most Americans.

[One Degree]

I'm talking about the average person because you're talking about elitism. I'm sure there are poor people in the US too, but you don't have to belong in the elite to be able to make a one-time $27 donation, and it's not elitism to say that it's not a life-changer for most Americans.

It is elitist to assume others can afford things just because you can. We all view reality from our own perspective. I knew a couple who both had jobs requiring degrees. They could not afford anything because they bought a House way above their income. They could not even afford furniture for the house. They made plenty of money, but they did not have an extra $27 to donate either.

[Godstud]

For the average person, $27 is not a life-changer. That much is true. It's certainly not elitist to say that most average Americans could afford as much.

[One Degree]

For the average person, $27 is not a life-changer. That much is true. It's certainly not elitist to say that most average Americans could afford as much.

Sure, but we were not talking about the average American originally. That was a goalpost move. Ofcourse, the Average American would add $27 to his credit card purchases to offset the donation.

[Beren]

It is elitist to assume others can afford things just because you can. We all view reality from our own perspective. I knew a couple who both had jobs requiring degrees. They could not afford anything because they bought a House way above their income. They could not even afford furniture for the house. They made plenty of money, but they did not have an extra $27 to donate either.

I don't assume others can afford things just because I can, however, you must be especially poor by US standards if you can't afford a one-time $27 donation.

You don't even need a decent job to be able to do that. In some US states $15/hour is the minimum wage, if I'm not mistaken, so $10/hour or so is not even a decent wage, but even that wage would make you able to make a one-time $27 donation I guess. I admit you should be really committed to do so perhaps, but still. Maybe you should just spare us your populism and stop accusing others of elitism without any good reason.

[One Degree]

I don't assume others can afford things just because I can, however, you must be especially poor by US standards if you can't afford a one-time $27 donation.

You don't even need a decent job to be able to do that. In some US states $15/hour is the minimum wage, if I'm not mistaken, so $10/hour or so is not even a decent wage, but even that wage would make you able to make a one-time $27 donation I guess. I admit you should be really committed to do so perhaps, but still. Maybe you should just spare us your populism and stop accusing others of elitism without any good reason.

Yeah, my first hand knowledge of my neighbors not having any extra money is just populism. My post that earning that $10 means it will cost you $10 was just ignored. You don’t understand how the system works for the poor. Under the current system, anything you do to improve your situation will be offset by a reduction in benefits. There is no extra $10 to be earned. It will cost you $10.

[Beren]

Yeah, my first hand knowledge of my neighbors not having any extra money is just populism.

It's just anecdotal evidence. I don't need to know your neighbours to be aware that there are poor people in the US, do you? However, the general belief that a one-time $27 donation is not a big deal in America in general is not elitism, it's just natural, claiming otherwise is cheap populism though, even if there are some really poor folks too. I've also heard a lot of times that each cent matters, although I hardly know anyone less eager to spend money than myself, but I never say that because I don't care to seem or sound like a puritan. I'm just puritan without pretending it.

[One Degree]

It's just anecdotal evidence. I don't need to know your neighbours to be aware that there are poor people in the US, do you? However, the general belief that a one-time $27 donation is not a big deal in America in general is not elitism, it's just natural, claiming otherwise is cheap populism though, even if there are some really poor folks too. I've also heard a lot of times that each cent matters, although I hardly know anyone less eager to spend money than myself, but I never say that because I don't care to seem or sound like a puritan. I'm just puritan without pretending it.

Except the discussion was not began about an average American. It was about me.