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There is an amazing and terrible museum in Koln, Germany: the Museum of National Socialism. On the upper floors are videos of Hitler’s early speeches and rallies: he attacks the elite and the press and uses fear, straw men, repeated lies, and racism to enrage his audience. At times the resemblance to a Trump rally is almost perfect. At this time Hitler was thought by Germany’s leaders to be an idiotic boor who would never rise to power.
In the basement are the interrogation cells of the Gestapo, with the graffiti of the victims still on the walls. They were in operation less than a decade after the above assessment.
I believe that it absolutely could happen here, and there is reason to believe that it has already begun.

Poland and Hungary, both still members of the European Union, in which democracy as we normally understand it is already dead.

In both countries the ruling parties — Law and Justice in Poland, Fidesz in Hungary — have established regimes that maintain the forms of popular elections, but have destroyed the independence of the judiciary, suppressed freedom of the press, institutionalized large-scale corruption and effectively delegitimized dissent. The result seems likely to be one-party rule for the foreseeable future.

But why is America, the birthplace of democracy, so close to following the lead of other countries that have recently destroyed it? The fact is that the Republican Party is ready, even eager, to become an American version of Law and Justice or Fidesz, exploiting its current political power to lock in permanent rule.

Don’t tell me about “economic anxiety.” That’s not what happened in Poland, which grew steadily through the financial crisis and its aftermath. And it’s not what happened here in 2016: Study after study has found that racial resentment, not economic distress, drove Trump voters.

The point is that we’re suffering from the same disease — white nationalism run wild — that has already effectively killed democracy in some other Western nations. And we’re very, very close to the point of no return.
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Well, funny thing about the rise of Nazism. Aside from being an ideology for its time, the left acts like it was some spiritual failure of the Germans but it was pretty correlative with horrible economic policies and reparations having to be paid by the Germans of that generation for the alleged crimes of Germans past. There was no debating this through normal channels until after the Germans got mad enough (guilty until proven innocent?).

So funny story. The left has clearly got some bad economic policies and they want Trump voters to pay reparations for various things (possibly including the black ones, since apparently someone can be a black white supremacist etc.).

So while Trump supporters are accused of the same spiritual failings attributed to Nazi Germany, the technical actions are all being carried out by the other side.
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Rugoz wrote:Trump is not a fascist, he's a joke. Luckily.

Was Benito Mussolini a fascist or a joke?
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jimjam wrote:There is an amazing and terrible museum in Koln, Germany: the Museum of National Socialism. On the upper floors are videos of Hitler’s early speeches and rallies...


Hitler was a leftists in his early political life, and he even attended the funeral of Kurt Eisner, who was a Jewish Socialist.

Even two days after the Soviet Republic had been proclaimed, Hitler stood for election again, when the new regime conducted an election among Munich's soldier councils to ensure support for the Soviet Republic by Munich's military units. Hitler was now elected Deputy Battalion Representative and remained in the post for the entire lifespan of the Soviet Republic.
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Hitler’s undetermined political future becomes even less surprising if we bear in mind that the intellectual origins of Fascism share central tenets with the non-Marxist Left. According to one argument, despite its eventual collision with the conservative Right once Fascism tried to come to power, early Fascism had been in its promise, rather than in its eventual application, more socialist than capitalist, more plebeian than bourgeois.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Thomas_Weber_(historian)


They never talk about this interesting fact in Hollywood movies, you have to look for primary sources.

In a nutshell: the conflict between Socialism and National Socialism is in reality a conflict between Nationalism and Globalism, not between right and left.

Hitler was a Nationalist, and Globo-Socialists (speak Communists) became his enemies.
Commies killed millions and millions in their GULAG before NS came to power in Germany. People were afraid of Commies, that is why they elected NS who promised to stop the spread of Bolshevism.

Ergo: If somebody is afraid of the resurgence of NS - fight the Globo-Commies!

People who support the emerging Commie censorship should be aware of the fact that Bolsheviks totally controlled the Media and any institution in the Bolshevik Russia, they even passed draconian laws against "anti-Semites".

If a Commissar deemed that a Russian peasant was an anti-Semite, he could kill him on the spot without any process.

But, the Soviet experiment failed, they did not manage to create a "Homo Sovieticus", Stalin became after WWII a nationalist, he hated "Cosmopolitans" (speak Globalists) the SU fell apart due to nationalism, though SU was the state that destroyed German Nationalism.

And the architects of NKVD and the GULAG-System eventually became victims of their own creation.

Trotsky and Co were eliminated by the system they themselves have created.

Let it sink before you support an emerging Commie-Globo-Dictatorship!
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ArtAllm wrote:They never talk about this interesting fact in Hollywood movies, you have to look for primary sources.

In a nutshell: the conflict between Socialism and National Socialism is in reality a conflict between Nationalism and Globalism, not between right and left.

Hitler was a Nationalist, and Globo-Socialists (speak Communists) became his enemies.
Commies killed millions and millions in their GULAG before NS came to power in Germany. People were afraid of Commies, that is why they elected NS who promised to stop the spread of Bolshevism.

Ergo: If somebody is afraid of the resurgence of NS - fight the Globo-Commies!

People who support the emerging Commie censorship should be aware of the fact that Bolsheviks totally controlled the Media and any institution in the Bolshevik Russia, they even passed draconian laws against "anti-Semites".

If a Commissar deemed that a Russian peasant was an anti-Semite, he could kill him on the spot without any process.

But, the Soviet experiment failed, they did not manage to create a "Homo Sovieticus", Stalin became after WWII a nationalist, he hated "Cosmopolitans" (speak Globalists) the SU fell apart due to nationalism, though SU was the state that destroyed German Nationalism.

And the architects of NKVD and the GULAG-System eventually became victims of their own creation.

Trotsky and Co were eliminated by the system they themselves have created.

Let it sink before you support an emerging Commie-Globo-Dictatorship!


Good post. Love the emphasis on the Ironic condition of the SU collapse. Well stated.

*Picks out an Alexsandr Dugin book from his shelf and smiles with a sense of cynicism*
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Certain trends in the United States of America coincide with characteristics ascribed to a fascist nation. We might, if we're willing to look hard enough, find something going on in almost any advanced democracy which whispers, 'fascism'. That said, there's a considerable distance yet to go in the good old US of A.

What we're seeing is the playing out of a charismatic [Ed.: To some,] demagogue as President. Add in the President's apparently limited ability for self-reflection and you've got a good handle on it. The followers are, in essence, a cult of personality. Their allegiance to their fearless leader is informed by emotion, not rationality.

The US will emerge from this period a somewhat different nation.
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Torus34 wrote:Certain trends in the United States of America coincide with characteristics ascribed to a fascist nation.

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The US will emerge from this period a somewhat different nation.


America has become a parody of the former SU.

The private monopolies (called deep state) are playing the role of the "Ministery of Truth" in the sovietized USA.

In the SU it was the Party, that is the only difference.

And they hate RF so much because Russians rejected Globo-Communism and revived their national roots.
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Sir, I must apologize. I don't speak initials very well and so I'm stymied by 'RF' and the like. It is a failing that restricts my ability to reply in a meaningful manner. I note also that the 'they' who 'hate' the 'RF' is also a puzzlement.

Regards.
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Torus34 wrote:Sir, I must apologize. I don't speak initials very well and so I'm stymied by 'RF' and the like. It is a failing that restricts my ability to reply in a meaningful manner. I note also that the 'they' who 'hate' the 'RF' is also a puzzlement.


RF = Russian Federation.

SU = Soviet Union.

US = United States.

EU = European Union.

UK = United Kingdom.

DK = Donkey Kong.

TP = Toilet Paper.

:excited:
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jimjam wrote:But why is America, the birthplace of democracy, so close to following the lead of other countries that have recently destroyed it?

Go for a stroll on the streets of San Francisco, or take a ride on BART. My sister was accosted last night by a naked man out of his mind at a BART station. We've had enough of democracy if this is what it gives us. I wouldn't support Hitler for president, but I think a Hitler-like figure would be wonderful for Mayor of San Francisco.

jimjam wrote:Don’t tell me about “economic anxiety.”

I won't. It's the anti-white sentiments of the political left. It was very obvious in the Brett Kavanaugh nomination. All the media complaints about old white men, and the complaints about white women are very front and center. There is no question about the anti-white sentiments of the political left in the United States. I think it took some time for Europeans to wake up to it, but they are awake now.

Where you should be afraid is that if they try to take Trump down by collapsing the American economy, remember that when America sneezes, the world catches a cold. Europe is voting for right wing parties WITHOUT the "economic anxiety" you are speaking about. If economic anxiety suddenly increases in a bid to dump Trump while the left is slamming white people openly in the media, you may see politics in Europe take a more ugly right turn in places you'd least expect it.

jimjam wrote:Study after study has found that racial resentment, not economic distress, drove Trump voters.

Yes. White voters watching television in the Kavanaugh confirmation hearings can very easily hear "white men need to shut up," "white women need to stop supporting their husbands," "...old white men..." and so forth. The establishment decided to make war on white people. The fact that white people have decided to respond in kind shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. Apparently, it does.

jimjam wrote:The point is that we’re suffering from the same disease — white nationalism run wild — that has already effectively killed democracy in some other Western nations. And we’re very, very close to the point of no return.

It's a response to the anti-white sentiments of the political left. Barack Obama could never have been elected president twice without a lot of white voters responding to his appeal. Yet, Obama decided to attack white people after he no longer had any electoral prospects. He was a-okay with violence against cops. He even lectured cops at a funeral for police officers who had been shot to death protecting "Black Lives Matter" protesters that claimed cops were running around killing black people for their personal enjoyment.

Hong Wu wrote:Aside from being an ideology for its time, the left acts like it was some spiritual failure of the Germans but it was pretty correlative with horrible economic policies and reparations having to be paid by the Germans of that generation for the alleged crimes of Germans past.

Well, the British and French establishments basically ran the world between them, with a jealous Soviet Union shut out after the Romanovs were overthrown in WWI. The Germans didn't start WWI, but they were unfairly blamed for it due to British and French fears of a rising Germany. They all but created Hitler.

ArtAllm wrote:Hitler was a Nationalist, and Globo-Socialists (speak Communists) became his enemies.
Commies killed millions and millions in their GULAG before NS came to power in Germany. People were afraid of Commies, that is why they elected NS who promised to stop the spread of Bolshevism.

Right. Hitler did a lot to quell the spread of communism. After WWII, Nazis worked with the US government to that end as well. See Operation Gladio and Operation Paperclip.

Torus34 wrote:Their allegiance to their fearless leader is informed by emotion, not rationality.

I have no particular loyalty to Trump. I just like that he's thrashing up the people I dislike the most. As a former Republican, I am glad to see people like Jeff Flake hitting the ash heap of history. People like that are useless in times that require resolute leadership.

ArtAllm wrote:The private monopolies (called deep state) are playing the role of the "Ministery of Truth" in the sovietized USA.

In the SU it was the Party, that is the only difference.

It's largely the Democratic party in the United States too. However, they have blown it by alienating white voters.
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blackjack21 wrote:People like that are useless in times that require resolute leadership.


Background music: Waist Deep in the Big Muddy, by Pete Seeger.

Regards.
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Hong Wu wrote:Aside from being an ideology for its time,


The fuck does this bullshit even mean?

This post I am making now is a post for its time. The coffee I drank this morning was a coffee for its time.

the left acts like it was some spiritual failure of the Germans


Creating death factories is a spiritual failure, sorry to break it to you.
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SpecialOlympian wrote:T
Creating death factories is a spiritual failure, sorry to break it to you.

Yeah I get that, but strangely commies don't get the same criticism for that same thing even when they do it on a much larger scale? Off the top of my head I can think of only 3 fascist regimes: Franco's of Spain, Mussolini's of Italy and Hitler's of Germany, I am not expert on this but wasn't only Hitler's Germany guilty of proper filthy genocide? So 1 out of 3 for genocide. In contrast every single one of the communist regimes of the dozen or so that have existed have gone in for full bore sustained genocide or at least the mass murder of civilians? 12 out of 12 for genocide. Where is the admonition for the spiritual failure of commies given they are objectively even worse than the worst fascists? :?:
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Victoribus Spolia wrote:Good post. Love the emphasis on the Ironic condition of the SU collapse. Well stated.

*Picks out an Alexsandr Dugin book from his shelf and smiles with a sense of cynicism*


This thread is shit because any Fascist or Communist worthy of the names fucking knows what Fascism is to them, and by either definition America is not nor will be a Fascist country. ;)

What it will be in it's next phase is exactly this; Anarcho-Capitalistic.

Read Dugin? Very good, i'm influenced myself by him, and the original National Bolsheviks and Eurasianists who influenced Dugin. It happened ironically that I discovered Alexandr Dugin after reading Karl Popper's; ''the Open Society and it's enemies'' and found that I was one of those enemies, and Dugin too :lol: ;)
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Torus34 wrote:What we're seeing is the playing out of a charismatic [Ed.: To some,] demagogue as President. Add in the President's apparently limited ability for self-reflection and you've got a good handle on it. The followers are, in essence, a cult of personality. Their allegiance to their fearless leader is informed by emotion, not rationality.

The US will emerge from this period a somewhat different nation.


I think this is more of an emotional statement. Rationality can be measured by what has been accomplished by this president, which is a lot in less than 2 years. History will be kind in that respect and his personality will be a mere footnote.
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