[Tainari88]

We're just going to disagree.

AOC is in favor of the Green New Deal, which is an economic impossibility, not to mention a physical impossibility.

No Republican, be it a Rockefeller Republican or a Nixon Republican (of which she is neither), would ever support something so stupid...

Your arguments are without analysis, without depth and without real thought or even a minimal education. You are unfamiliar with @Drlee 's Rockerfeller Republican because you don't study political history. At all. Not even of the Republican party.

No, you also probably did not know that Nelson Rockafeller would hire Communists to analyze his worker management programs. Why? Because they were the best at figuring what was wrong with a capitalistic model and he thought he could squeeze out better models with some true criticism of it. Not some yes men who believe a lot of bullshit that is fed to them by others and who automatically accept things due to being told things and never bothering to check up on it at all.

You will never make it in real debates with your weaknesses. Never.

Go ahead and say--another phrase....of it won't work. It is stupid.

I know what I am talking about.

Whatever....

[Drlee]

No Republican, be it a Rockefeller Republican or a Nixon Republican (of which she is neither), would ever support something so stupid...

Nixon was the father of the Environmental Protection Agency.

Most Republicans once liked the Green New Deal. And no, you’re not reading climate fiction. This was reality just a year ago.

Some 64 percent of Republican voters initially supported the package of climate and green jobs policies, according to a poll from the Yale Program on Climate Change Communication. This was in December of last year, when those polled weren’t familiar with the name “Green New Deal.” Some 82 percent of them hadn’t even heard the phrase, let alone any nonsense about banning hamburgers. (For the record, that’s not part of the resolution introduced in Congress.)

One needn't be a Rhodes Scholar to know that AOC, and her ideas, are batshit crazy.

But if one were a Rhodes Scholar they would know that her ideas regarding the environment are mainstream and actually not far off those of the longest serving president in US history. In fact, they are slightly less progressive than those presented by both Roosevelt's and not far from those of Nixon and the republican platform of the 70's and 80's.

Now read the article big steve.

[Tainari88]

Nixon was the father of the Environmental Protection Agency.





But if one were a Rhodes Scholar they would know that her ideas regarding the environment are mainstream and actually not far off those of the longest serving president in US history. In fact, they are slightly less progressive than those presented by both Roosevelt's and not far from those of Nixon and the republican platform of the 70's and 80's.

Now read the article big steve.

They are mainstream indeed Drlee.

In fact almost all of the democratic socialist issue based campaigns are very well liked by American working people.

Nothing extreme is out there.

But? Reading articles? Hmmm. That is too high of an expectation for certain posters...I read your little wikipedia link.

I wonder what you do in Arizona with your free time?

I am reading up on who might survive Election 2020.....lol.

I like reading up on the latest fiascos of many governments all over the world.

Human beings fighting for power have very consistent behavior patterns @Drlee .

I don't think Nixon was into environmentalism in the early 1970's. It was a thing he had to do due to political pressure. That thing that is out there like a beast that requires that politicians pay attention to it or abandon their positions to those who do respond. Political pressure. The beast of every wily politico in the world Drlee.

[BigSteve]

Nixon was the father of the Environmental Protection Agency.

And how is that even relevant?

AOC wants to upgrade all existing buildings in the United States to achieve maximum energy efficiency, water efficiency, safety, affordability, comfort, and durability.

Those are all laudable goals, I guess, but every existing building in the United States? Only blindly loyal libs believe that can happen, and they're just too stupid to waste any time paying attention to.

You live in Arizona, right? How many buildings are in Phoenix? How long would that take, and how much would it cost? We're talking about every single building in this picture:



Now,consider that Pheonix is only the fifth largest city in the country, and think about what it would take to accomplish that same task in New York or Chicago or Los Angeles. It's mind boggling. It's also mind-boggling that there are people in this country, and apparently Mexico as well, stupid enough to believe it can be done.

No. No, it can't...

[Pants-of-dog]

AOC is in favor of the Green New Deal, which is an economic impossibility, not to mention a physical impossibility.

Provide evidence for this claim.

[BigSteve]

Provide evidence for this claim.

Well, she supports it because it's her idea:

https://www.npr.org/2019/02/07/691997301/rep-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-releases-green-new-deal-outline

As for the other claims, anyone who has an IQ greater than their shoe size understands it's not feasible...

[Pants-of-dog]

@BigSteve

Provide evidence that the Green New deal is an impossibility.

[BigSteve]

@BigSteve

Provide evidence that the Green New deal is an impossibility.

I can't provide evidence that Santa doesn't exist.

Does that mean you believe he does?

Go ahead and proclaim that I have no evidence. In fact, you're correct. I don't. What I have, though, that you lack, is common sense...

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Go ahead and proclaim that I have no evidence. In fact, you're correct. I don't. What I have, though, that you lack, is common sense...

Is that what you call it??

Oh well..

The Green New Deal is a slogan, if it works, a rallying cry. When we do finally get serious, we won't likely do that. Some of it, but people aren't ready to even hear it.

When we get serious, we will have to get real. That kinda narrows the options.

[jimjam]

it means they can't live off of workers

Have you ever studied Huey Long? He employed some of the same tactics that Don The Con uses. Lies, bullying, dynamite any opposition out of your path. One BIG difference: he worked for the benefit of the have nots while Don The Con works for the benefit of the haves. Very interesting juxtaposition. Huey started out dirt poor in Louisiana and his first "desk" was an upside down packing crate while Don had a few hundred million from his daddy to tide him over. Huey was scary brilliant. Argued and won a case before the Supreme court before he was 3O. The Chief Justice called him the most brilliant legal mind he had ever seen. While Governor of Louisiana he built roads and bridges for the people. After being elected Senator he had his eye on the POTUS and could very well have beat FDR if he had not been assassinated in 1935. The economy had been run into the ground by the Trump Types of the 1920's. The atmosphere in America was sooo different then compared to the present Age of Greed. And, we most likely will relive that period after Trump and his ilk destroy the present economy that is being held together by smoke, mirrors and debt. History ALWAYS repeats. It will be a lot bigger this time around and instead of fixing things we may find ourselves in a much bigger fix that will reconfigure the society ….. not in a good way.
https://youtu.be/hphgHi6FD8k

After viewing this video is it surprising that Huey was shot dead? I think not.

https://youtu.be/wdXcMdtYY6E

[Drlee]

AOC wants to upgrade all existing buildings in the United States to achieve maximum energy efficiency, water efficiency, safety, affordability, comfort, and durability.

Oh the hateful bitch.

Those are all laudable goals, I guess, but every existing building in the United States? Only blindly loyal libs believe that can happen, and they're just too stupid to waste any time paying attention to.

And Trumpets believe Trump was going to build a wall across our Southern border and Mexico was going to pay for it. Only someone with an IQ lower than their shoe size would believe that. (Or just about anything he says not to put to fine a point on it.)


Y

ou live in Arizona, right? How many buildings are in Phoenix? How long would that take, and how much would it cost? We're talking about every single building in this picture:

Here is the deal Einstein. Nobody believes in a 100% solution. Not even her.

But what is beyond stupid; in fact criminally insane is the attitude of republicans who deny climate change at all. They are disgusting fools. Anyone who backs Trump's agenda on the environment, undoing years of work, is a blithering idiot intent on killing millions in the next generation an and a great many in this one.

I have no time for your blow-hard bullshit BS. Either come with a better idea or shut the fuck up. People like you are long on bluster and short on solutions. As we say in this part of the country. Big hat, no cows.

Now show us how tough you are. Talk some more big shit. Wait. That is what BS stands for. Big shit.

[blackjack21]

Even AOC is as her best a Rockefeller Republican politically.

That's a bit of a stretch. She doesn't do math, because she can't and because it's politically inconvenient. At least Rockefeller could do math.

No Republican, be it a Rockefeller Republican or a Nixon Republican (of which she is neither), would ever support something so stupid...

If they could grift in some sort of tax credits, licensing for upgrades, etc. then they might push it for awhile and work private equity. Al Gore is kind of an idiot in the sense of innovation, but he's managed to make hundreds of millions of dollars on these government scams.

Those are all laudable goals, I guess, but every existing building in the United States? Only blindly loyal libs believe that can happen, and they're just too stupid to waste any time paying attention to.

Yeah, if the homeless think housing is unaffordable now, wait until the bill comes due for the Green New Deal.

Provide evidence for this claim.

She's the author. Are you suggesting that she doesn't support her own agenda? I mean, I think the Democrats are batshit crazy, but I take them at face value when they present their policy positions, with the proviso it's probably a bit more to the left if they are being honest.

After being elected Senator he had his eye on the POTUS and could very well have beat FDR if he had not been assassinated in 1935.

It was the Clintons. Hillary did it.

[BigSteve]

Oh the hateful bitch.



And Trumpets believe Trump was going to build a wall across our Southern border and Mexico was going to pay for it. Only someone with an IQ lower than their shoe size would believe that. (Or just about anything he says not to put to fine a point on it.)


Y

Here is the deal Einstein. Nobody believes in a 100% solution. Not even her.

But what is beyond stupid; in fact criminally insane is the attitude of republicans who deny climate change at all. They are disgusting fools. Anyone who backs Trump's agenda on the environment, undoing years of work, is a blithering idiot intent on killing millions in the next generation an and a great many in this one.

I have no time for your blow-hard bullshit BS. Either come with a better idea or shut the fuck up. People like you are long on bluster and short on solutions. As we say in this part of the country. Big hat, no cows.

Now show us how tough you are. Talk some more big shit. Wait. That is what BS stands for. Big shit.

Instead of attacking me, howsabout attacking the points I made?

Oh, right... you can't do that...

[Drlee]

Instead of attacking me, howsabout attacking the points I made?

You made no points. You simply spouted more bluster.

If, by points, you mean it would be hard to retrofit every building in Phoenix, you are right. It would be very hard. So hard that it might never get done. But starting to do it is a good thing. Even you admitted that.

So, it seems that your point is this: If something is hard to do to perfection we ought not do anything at all. That is just not very smart.

[BigSteve]

You made no points. You simply spouted more bluster.

If, by points, you mean it would be hard to retrofit every building in Phoenix, you are right. It would be very hard. So hard that it might never get done. But starting to do it is a good thing. Even you admitted that.

The goal is ten years. The goal of the Green New Deal is to do it in ten years.

That's insane...

So, it seems that your point is this: If something is hard to do to perfection we ought not do anything at all. That is just not very smart.

Not my point at all but, then again, I never actually expect any discernible level of honesty out of you...

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Not my point at all but, then again, I never actually expect any discernible level of honesty out of you...

As long as we are on the subject of honesty, can you point to a single post you made that, if put into effect, would result in a substantial reduction in carbon emissions?

[BigSteve]

As long as we are on the subject of honesty, can you point to a single post you made that, if put into effect, would result in a substantial reduction in carbon emissions?

I can honestly say that I've not proposed anything, so it's stupid to ask me which would result in a reduction of carbon emissions...

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I can honestly say that I've not proposed anything, so it's stupid to ask me which would result in a reduction of carbon emissions...

I know you've posted nothing but crap and excuses.

Which is to say you have contributed less than nothing.

[BigSteve]

I know you've posted nothing but crap and excuses.

Which is to say you have contributed less than nothing.

Well, at least you admit that it was stupid of you to ask me that question.

I'm not a climate change expert. I don't know what will work or have the most impact.

But here's the thing: Idiot dipshit libs like AOC aren't climate change experts either, so her proposals are as valid as the proposals I haven't made.

Do you believe that we can retrofit every building in America in ten years? Because that's what she's advocating.

Of course, I don't believe you'll answer that. After all, you tuck yuor tail between your legs and scurry off when asked direct questions (remember the whole "Transgender/UCMJ" discussion?). You'd rather tap dance, obfuscate and run off than answer a direct question.

Probably because you're incapable of it.

The pity of it all, though, is that when you ask a question, it's a question you admit is stupid...

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1) I'm not a climate change expert. I don't know what will work or have the most impact.

2) But here's the thing: Idiot dipshit libs like AOC aren't climate change experts either, so her proposals are as valid as the proposals I haven't made.

3) Do you believe that we can retrofit every building in America in ten years? Because that's what she's advocating.

1) Yet you talk about it a lot.

2) They are trying to deal with the problem. So they get a few points in the plus column, while you get a few points in the minus column. It's going to take a lot of yak to bring people around.

3) As I hinted at earlier, when we get serious, we will need a better approach. You haven't even started until you pass a Carbon Tax. Which is a conservative proposal, designed by conservative economists to use a market based approach. When I say conservative, I don't mean the nihilistic radicalism that has turned the Republican party into a cult.

Once we've started (meaning a Carbon Tax) we can talk about Smart Grids, energy efficient urban planning, energy efficient transport, etc. Waiting so long to start means everything is going to get time compressed. Which is monumentally stupid.

But that's us all over.