[Julian658]

In 2021 is the Democratic party run by the KKK?

Nope, it is run by Google/Twitter types (that had the ability to cancel Trump), the health insurance industry (hence Biden goes with Obama care instead of National Medicare), the donors, Pharma, and to a lesser extent the SJWs. With time the latter will also become like Biden and Pelosi (very wealthy). They are no better than the Republicans but they pitch a better message.

[Julian658]

Until the political realignment after the Civil Rights Act, and the Southern Strategy by the GOP to get the southern racist vote.

The civil right act passed because of GOP votes. However, I have to give credit were credit is due. The Dems realize that the minority vote was going to be a gold mine and maneuvered their way out of the Dixiecrats into what we see today.

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The civil right act passed because of GOP votes. However, I have to give credit were credit is due. The Dems realize that the minority vote was going to be a gold mine and maneuvered their way out of the Dixiecrats into what we see today.

They could have cared less, assuming any of them thought that far ahead, which I doubt. A LOT.

They were painfully aware that it would cost them a lot politically. That is well known, from what they actually said.

You know, facts.

[Tainari88]

How it is in your head...


There's nothing subconscious about anything I'm saying. You just aren't willing to entertain any ideas that are different from your own interpretation or your own life experience.


The Democrats are smart enough to infiltrate those groups and fly the confederate flag, which is a symbol of the Democratic party and their rebellion against the Union. Dumb people can be easily identified as saying such things as "The Democrats used to be racist, but all the racists left the Democrats and became Republicans." That's the telltale sign of a complete idiot.


I work with a US citizen from Florida, now living in Texas, whose parents came from Cuba. Guess what his political views are? I have a number of Indian friends. About 2/3 are Republicans. I can't say I have any Chinese friends. I guess that makes me a racist against Chinese people? I have a couple of Mexican friends. Both of them are Democrats.


Trump held rallies in the US with huge numbers of Indian Americans. He also did so in India with Modi. Keep in mind, I work in the software industry. I recently hired an Indian woman to my team. Indian women tend to be very well educated, yet traditional.


I don't want to put them into cages. I want them to be deported back to their country of origin. If they want to emigrate to the United States, they need to do so lawfully.


Look, you think that the United States should have open borders. Not everyone agrees with that. That doesn't make everyone racist, either. For someone who isn't a white liberal, you sure do subscribe to their racial rhetoric. Donald Trump drove down the unemployment rate of working class people, and drove their wages higher with policies that involved imposing tariffs on Chinese trade, renegotiating NAFTA, deporting illegal aliens (but nothing more than Obama or Bush did), and lowering the corporate tax rate so that they wouldn't bank their money offshore among other things.

Lol. Blackjack your entire replies to me are filled with frustration and distortions and inaccuracies on interpreting my meaning.

You think I am the one who is unable to see through to other people's perspectives? I am unable to see things outside of my life experience? Have you ever considered how a person who's first language wasn't English, who came from a society that is disdained by others because it is not considered the privileged group? Who comes from people who were very poor or rural? Who had to fight for formal educations with a lot of effort? How that forges character and how they might interpret the same system that a person who comes from a bunch of privileges and who speaks the native language of the mainstream of that society and who does come a group that is either already from a higher socioeconomic group and never is forced to self reflect?

The problem you have Blackjack is not really seeing how you have been swimming in a society that never tells you that you are the one or from a group that is locked out of power and has zero true acceptance into that society. If your politics, your bank account, your language, your ethnicity and your sex and your somatic looks locks you out of being an integral part of that society what kinds of human experiences will you form? Does that influence your sense of identity and why? And how do you go about dealing with your station and your ways of living in that society? You don't have the money or the ability to go back and deal with what went on with your ancestors. You got to cope with your environment. All of us are creatures of your environment Relampaguito.

You are and I am. All of us are.

I respect your privacy and your life experiences BJ that formed the way you are today. I know you don't feel you are a racist and you think you are being practical, pragmatic and realistic.

I won't talk about your personal experiences that shape your life. Because in the end? It doesn't matter what I think or believe shaped you? It is about how you want to change or not change and be who you are and the only one 100% responsible for your own life is you Relampaguito and no one else.

I really love this speech by Rocky. I think it is not about Right or Left thought...that speech. It is about the universal human spirit that is great. I saw that Rocky quote under a bridge leading to a peer in Progreso. I read it in the Spanish language and they had quoted an American Sylvester Stallone character. Rocky Balboa.

Let me see if I can find the clip. Because the Mexicans loved it because for them and for many human beings it is very true.

All human beings need to take responsibility for their own lives and love each other and support each other....and they got to stop trying to strip others of their tremendous light. Mandela said in a paraphrased way, we should not be afraid of the dark in people, what really is powerful is the LIGHT.

What is that BJ? El corazon. Let your light shine and everything that is about thinking that others are going to take what is your nation's or your own group's privileges will melt away. Find the common human decent light filled part of all human beings and have them take responsibility for their own lives....and no matter how hard life hits them or hits you BJ?

You shall conquer all. That is what el corazon is about...el corazon is going to be the thing that picks you off the ground after life hits you hard.....and makes you shine. Struggle for freedom, for love, for acceptance and for belonging and self realization. We are all on that same path. It is up to each of us to do what that speech is about there from the movie clip.

I will be back later to reply to your quotes.

I am true to my own experiences BJ. All of us humans have to be.

[blackjack21]

Have you ever considered how a person who's first language wasn't English, who came from a society that is disdained by others because it is not considered the privileged group? Who comes from people who were very poor or rural? Who had to fight for formal educations with a lot of effort? How that forges character and how they might interpret the same system that a person who comes from a bunch of privileges and who speaks the native language of the mainstream of that society and who does come a group that is either already from a higher socioeconomic group and never is forced to self reflect?

My Irish grandmother could tell you that story all day long. While they speak English, people from Appalachia could tell you that all day long too. Once you put the language and racial questions aside, you have basically the entire reason Trump became president in the first place.

The problem you have Blackjack is not really seeing how you have been swimming in a society that never tells you that you are the one or from a group that is locked out of power and has zero true acceptance into that society.

Uh, I'm a conservative. I'm part of a group of people that gets banned from social media, threatened with the loss of jobs, threatened with the loss of banking privileges, and so forth all the time. Is there something about cancel culture you missed? Curt Shilling, for example, is a baseball legend and his insurance company cancelled his insurance policy because Shilling supported Trump.

[SpecialOlympian]

I think we shold let the KKK legislate laws in the US.

OK Blackjack.

[Tainari88]

My Irish grandmother could tell you that story all day long. While they speak English, people from Appalachia could tell you that all day long too. Once you put the language and racial questions aside, you have basically the entire reason Trump became president in the first place.


Uh, I'm a conservative. I'm part of a group of people that gets banned from social media, threatened with the loss of jobs, threatened with the loss of banking privileges, and so forth all the time. Is there something about cancel culture you missed? Curt Shilling, for example, is a baseball legend and his insurance company cancelled his insurance policy because Shilling supported Trump.

Oh Blackjack, I don't see you as a victim of anything. Who do I see as people in deep shit? People over here who have to haul water all day because they don't have any means to get some kind of plumbing installed. Who work selling whatever they can to eat basics and who have zero access to anything important. Like antibiotics and etc. Do you want to get paid $2 dollars an hour? Yes or no? I would think the answer is no.

You have no wife and kids to support and have no responsibilities BJ. Conservatives are not persecuted in the USA. Your problem is that the liberals are in control but they are pro capitalism and corrupt. Have you figured out why? Cancelled insurance policies?

Don't feel sorry for yourself BJ If you want some Trump society you are going to have fight for one like all the rest of the Far Right. And it is not going to be easy. In the end? Lack of empathy, lack of understanding that capitalism is the cause of all that shitty value system? In the end? This is what I think is going to happen to the USA.

The AI is going to make truck drivers obsolete, and many middle class workers too. The accountants, medical assistants, legal assistants, techs and etc. Robots take over the vast majority of jobs. How to re educate and employ the millions displaced by AI and robotics? UBI and authoritarian governments who spank capital and control everything. Chinese style. Face recognition and retinal scans to figure out what kind of worker or laborer you are. If you are a slacker or a drug addict you get some piddly UBI income and basics....but you are stabilized finally.

It is going to be a mix of socialism and capitalist authoritarian bullshit. But the racism won't be a part of it anymore. That society will sail for sure.

The people in the developing world will become increasingly frustrated and their will be fallout. In the end? Multipolarity will be the norm. It is going to be mass negotiating with human governments and resources BJ. The nationalists like you are? Are not going to win. Why? Because you keep making lame excuses for a system that doesn't believe in nationalism and has not for a long time. The new paradigm is going to be internationalism and a series of power sharing between a huge swathe of people. Technology is going to liberate labor for most people. The monotonous repetitive tasks of the past will not be important.

What will be important is marshaling resources for the benefit of most. And that will require socialism BJ. The small elite are doomed to be pressured. It might start with the RIGHT...but in the end both sides are going to need to oust the neobliberals. Because the way they have siphoned off all the resources for a small elite....it is not good.

You only care about your group BJ. I find that narrow and not very efficient. But you are a conservative. For me it equals lack of the ability to expand and include. It is all about myopic crap the conservatives. And they will find out how bad it is when they wind up having to let go of power....because they failed to understand that the capitalism as practiced before? Doesn't work. For them...for others, For no one.

[alyas]

Trump is expected to stand trial beginning Feb. 9, where he faces a single impeachment article for incitement of insurrection, regarding his role in the deadly Jan. 6 riot at the US Capitol.

[Drlee]

Up until the mid 60s the Democratic KKK party ran the show.

Of course this is completely untrue but it does fit nicely into Julian's racist narrative. Shall we go back to Roosevelt? New England liberal Roosevelt. He was not controlled by the KKK. Nor was Truman who integrated the military. Eisenhower was an 8 year republican followed by Kennedy, a New England liberal democrat. Followed by another democrat (Johnson) who passed substantial civil rights legislation. Followed by Nixon who had spearheaded Eisenhower's civil rights program and continued the tradition. Then Ford who was not a racist. Nor was Carter. It wasn't until Reagan that we had an overt racist in the Whitehouse. And then the Republican southern pivot and the rest is history.

Julian is young and an immigrant. (He says and assuming he is not from Silver Spring Maryland) We can't expect him to know anything about our history.

[Tainari88]

Trump is expected to stand trial beginning Feb. 9, where he faces a single impeachment article for incitement of insurrection, regarding his role in the deadly Jan. 6 riot at the US Capitol.

@alyas it doesn't matter him standing trial. There are 74M groups of people who stand for him...they want to get rid of the establishment. The Democratic party did some dirty moves during the process of selecting a nominee and Biden is establishment. As far as I can tell? It is too little and too late. Nothing but a violent clash is going to resolve the issue.

Trump wasn't a good administrator and he is not a man of any real policy effectiveness but right wing bullshit that doesn't solve long term problems. So this is about a violent Right and the people angry with neoliberal bullshit trickle-down economics.

I am not going to raise my family in some fascist authoritarian Right wing ignorant group that is angry and wants to punish everyone who doesn't agree with some Trumpian dystopia. It is dangerous and DUMB.

But that is what has to happen because there is no real LEFT that can organize itself and squeeze the middle wishy washies and right the ship.

You got people convinced there was mass fraud. I find the fraud is on both sides. Republicans and Democrats who have allowed Citizens United and corporate black budget contributions to political campaigns to poison the integrity of political representation. So the result of decades of bad poisoning is what happened on January 6th.

@blackjack21 thinks the Democrats were flying the KKK flags. I don't think so. The Republican party is very very racist. He needs to OWN that truth. But? IN the end? The liberals are masters of bullshit of being white liberal guilt racists while saying they got Kamala and are inclusive and continuing to be sellouts for capitalist corporate backstabbers....the lack of values continues to rot away at the USA.

It doesn't surprise me Alyas.

PBS Newshour take. Interesting about Election 2020 and capitol issues on 1/6/2021:

[Julian658]

Of course this is completely untrue but it does fit nicely into Julian's racist narrative. Shall we go back to Roosevelt? New England liberal Roosevelt. He was not controlled by the KKK. Nor was Truman who integrated the military. Eisenhower was an 8 year republican followed by Kennedy, a New England liberal democrat. Followed by another democrat (Johnson) who passed substantial civil rights legislation. Followed by Nixon who had spearheaded Eisenhower's civil rights program and continued the tradition. Then Ford who was not a racist. Nor was Carter. It wasn't until Reagan that we had an overt racist in the Whitehouse. And then the Republican southern pivot and the rest is history.

Julian is young and an immigrant. (He says and assuming he is not from Silver Spring Maryland) We can't expect him to know anything about our history.

An insult out of nowhere by Brother Lee. No big deal!

You asked for this. You fired the first shot.

You guys are into the antiracism religion because that provides cover for the poor job left wing leaders have done in trying to uplift black people out of poverty. I suspect you do not believe half of the things you are saying. However, you say them to explain your position. A total light weight dude.

[Tainari88]

Of course this is completely untrue but it does fit nicely into Julian's racist narrative. Shall we go back to Roosevelt? New England liberal Roosevelt. He was not controlled by the KKK. Nor was Truman who integrated the military. Eisenhower was an 8 year republican followed by Kennedy, a New England liberal democrat. Followed by another democrat (Johnson) who passed substantial civil rights legislation. Followed by Nixon who had spearheaded Eisenhower's civil rights program and continued the tradition. Then Ford who was not a racist. Nor was Carter. It wasn't until Reagan that we had an overt racist in the Whitehouse. And then the Republican southern pivot and the rest is history.

Julian is young and an immigrant. (He says and assuming he is not from Silver Spring Maryland) We can't expect him to know anything about our history.

Silver Spring Maryland? Where did you get that idea Drlee?

@blackjack21 has to accept that all that American Flag beating of Capitol cops is about the Right being mad as hell and not going to take it anymore. They are tired of Neoliberals telling them what to do and telling them to be culturally sensitive.

They want a return to what? Liberty. Give me pecking orders from chickens and give me death to all non patriots. Battle for the soul of America....the good ole days of Jim Crow and flashes to the past. The ship has sailed. Too many Latinos, Blacks....they need to believe in an American life where Right wing values are their values and dump Liberalism a la Pelosi.

In the end it is about making a living and getting ahead. And the truth is Relampaguito? It is all about changing why no one is getting ahead. You think they are.....they are not. Pandemic cut off the funds....how to roar back in?

Trump should have kept his trap shut. According to the conservatives in his own column...he told his supporters to sit it out...in Georgia. Why? Lol. Figure it out.

[blackjack21]

You guys are into the antiracism religion because that provides cover for the poor job left wing leaders have done in trying to uplift black people out of poverty.

It's not a poor job. They aren't trying to lift most people out of poverty. They are trying to make people politically dependent upon them.

@blackjack21 has to accept that all that American Flag beating of Capitol cops is about the Right being mad as hell and not going to take it anymore.

There were Antifa and BLM folks there too. It was mostly fringe actors. If Trump had asked people to riot, there would be dead members of Congress for sure.

[Tainari88]

It's not a poor job. They aren't trying to lift most people out of poverty. They are trying to make people politically dependent upon them.


There were Antifa and BLM folks there too. It was mostly fringe actors. If Trump had asked people to riot, there would be dead members of Congress for sure.

I think there are some dark days ahead for the USA political class.

I did not know Biden had a bad stutter as a child in Roman Catholic school. His father was a used car salesman. But his mother was tough and when a nun made fun of her son she told the nun she would knock her out or something.

It is interesting that I really think Trump and who he represents are the people who feel betrayed by a system that used to work for them....but no longer does. It never did.

i think my solution is best. Serve the greatest amount of people BJ. Expecting elite types or people who have personality disorders are going to make things better is not the thinking of logical and rational people. It never was.

It is an absolutely stunningly beautiful night here....there are a million stars and the best breeze....cool and perfect.

I am happy to be alive. I am so grateful to life. I got a lot to be thankful for.

[Potemkin]

I think there are some dark days ahead for the USA political class.

I did not know Biden had a bad stutter as a child in Roman Catholic school. His father was a used car salesman. But his mother was tough and when a nun made fun of her son she told the nun she would knock her out or something.

It is interesting that I really think Trump and who he represents are the people who feel betrayed by a system that used to work for them....but no longer does. It never did.

i think my solution is best. Serve the greatest amount of people BJ. Expecting elite types or people who have personality disorders are going to make things better is not the thinking of logical and rational people. It never was.

It is an absolutely stunningly beautiful night here....there are a million stars and the best breeze....cool and perfect.

I am happy to be alive. I am so grateful to life. I got a lot to be thankful for.

[SpecialOlympian]

It is interesting that I really think Trump and who he represents are the people who feel betrayed by a system that used to work for them....but no longer does. It never did.

They are and were aware they just ultimately consider it a nice trade off so long as they have it better than others. If you gave them more money they still couldn't buy a sense of superiority. They don't see black people demanding to be treated as well as the cops treat white people as others becoming equal, but as them being lowered to the black person's level. This is why they have to freak out and burn their toys every time a black person doesn't take a knee during the anthem, which is boring as fuck and not something I want to suffer through just to watch dudes run into each other of all things.

Like argh! this man is ruining my enjoyment of the moment of false solemnity when I'm already two beers in and I'm just gonna hover my hand over my heart because I have nacho grease on my fingers and I don't want to stain my shirt.

[Julian658]

They are and were aware they just ultimately consider it a nice trade off so long as they have it better than others. If you gave them more money they still couldn't buy a sense of superiority. They don't see black people demanding to be treated as well as the cops treat white people as others becoming equal, but as them being lowered to the black person's level. This is why they have to freak out and burn their toys every time a black person doesn't take a knee during the anthem, which is boring as fuck and not something I want to suffer through just to watch dudes run into each other of all things.

Like argh! this man is ruining my enjoyment of the moment of false solemnity when I'm already two beers in and I'm just gonna hover my hand over my heart because I have nacho grease on my fingers and I don't want to stain my shirt.

The current problems in America have something to do with racism, no doubt. Some of the carnage has to do with slavery and Jim Crow. However, it is foolish to assume all the problems are due to racism. A redneck waving a confederate flag in the boonies has zero effect on the lifestyle of the poor people in Baltimore, Detroit, or Chicago. The poor people in these cities have been under minority Democratic government for five decades and yet they remain in despair. The problem is obviously multifactorial and racism is just one factor. The Democrats need victims to win elections and the last thing they want to do is uplift all these people to the middle class.

The religion of anti-racism moves people to only focus on racism. Anyone that mentions other factors is considered a heretic (a racist). There are some things that are not supposed to be mentioned or challenged. A let's not forget the proclivity to embrace the role of the noble victim. This is seeing as empowering, but most psychologists will state this is a devastating philosophy.

Third wave antiracism, its secularism notwithstanding is in some ways more demanding than Church. The “new religion, as a matter of faith, entails that one suspends disbelief at certain points out of respect to the larger narrative.” The “remark, the implication, the unwelcome question,” if not blasphemous exactly, is at best potentially “traumatizing” and at worst a sign that one might be in league with racists. To call that particular, contestable way of looking at race in America “antiracism” is an obstacle to clear thinking.

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The religion of anti-racism moves people to only focus on racism.

You keep repeating the same brain dead lies.

In what way are you damaged.

[Julian658]

You keep repeating the same brain dead lies.

In what way are you damaged.

I have been paying attention to McWhorter. I happen to think that he is correct. BTW, he is not a conservative.

[Drlee]

@blackjack21 It's not a poor job. They aren't trying to lift most people out of poverty. They are trying to make people politically dependent upon them.

This is obviously not entirely true. Poor people fare better under Democrats than they do under Republicans. Right now the Democrats are working to raise the minimum wage to $15.00 and to give far more cash/rent protection to the poor. They want to raise food stamps.

Poor people do not have the luxury of cynicism. They can't afford it. These things really would help them.

@Julian658

I am not going to pick apart your whole post. Just this part.

The current problems in America have something to do with racism, no doubt. Some of the carnage has to do with slavery and Jim Crow.

Carnage? Hyperbole much?

However, it is foolish to assume all the problems are due to racism.

This is your straw man. Nobody here has said that they are yet you keep repeating this. Why?

A redneck waving a confederate flag in the boonies has zero effect on the lifestyle of the poor people in Baltimore, Detroit, or Chicago.

It most certainly does. In a very big way. Those "rednecks" vote and the rural states are WAY over represented in our government. Their racism stifles efforts to help by pushing the Republican party (and more than one Democratic legislator) hard right.

The poor people in these cities have been under minority Democratic government for five decades and yet they remain in despair.

No they haven't. In some places they have had local governments that have black city councils and mayors but not a single on is in a state that has. At the federal level? Not even. And only because you are so shallow do you think this is an argument. Stevie Wonder could see what is wrong with this line of "reasoning".

The problem is obviously multifactorial and racism is just one factor.

Uhhh. Yea. So what?

The Democrats need victims to win elections and the last thing they want to do is uplift all these people to the middle class.

Garbage. Here you go with your racism again. You like to use the term "low expectations". Why do you think that minorities are not smart enough to see which party gives them more of what they need? Clearly the Democratic party speaks for them and delivers for them better than the Republican party. Read what I said above.

Just a note out of kindness. Stop posting videos. Not a soul here is watching them. If you have something edgy to say, say it. Then own it.