[Tainari88]

Trump has done something different and he has changed the system. How? Well, for starters, he's not beholden to anyone. He's made it clear that the Republican Party cannot control him. That's unheard of in Washington politics, regardless of the party.

As Eric Trump once put it: "My father doesn't need this job. Not even a little bit."

Remember, Trump wasn't supposed to win. He wasn't even supposed to be a serious candidate. But he ended up with the nomination because he didn't represent everything bad about Washington. He ended up running against the person Obama characterized as the most qualified person to ever seek the office. But Clinton's problem was that the American people grew weary of the bullshit coming out of the Obama White House, and they didn't want more of that bullshit to spew from a Clinton White House.

Donald Trump didn't win because of who he is, but because of who he isn't...

Look Big Steve, you apparently think Trump is the solution to what is wrong in the world. He is not a solution at all. Politicians basically are tasked with dealing with the same crap all over the world. They are supposed to do three things right. Prevent war, prevent economic collapse and keep stability and avoid chaos and instability. That is it. Let me repeat:

1) Avoid War.

2) Avoid Economic Collapse.

3) Avoid uncertainty and unstable conditions.

As far as I can tell Trump hasn't accomplished any of those. He also is a wrench that the American populists have thrown into a rotten system hoping to make something change. They fail to recognize that he is part of the system and never was an outsider and is an integral part of what is wrong. That only happens when a large group of people have no clue what political philosophies are about. It doesn't surprise me because the USA is filled with people who never really are informed about political categories and are people who only listen to superficial and propagandistic falsehoods.

Americans are by and large ignorant and arrogant. And it is going to cost them them over time a total loss of power on every front. It might take ten years, twenty years or fifty or more. But it will happen. No doubt about it. There is no other way. You make choices based on limited understanding that is the outcome of it all. That is just universal law in action Big Steve.

Trump is not change. He is just a selfish con man bent on raiding the piggy bank of government for himself and his cronies. Nothing new there in political life or thought. Just another drain on the public coffers.

[BigSteve]

Look Big Steve, you apparently think Trump is the solution to what is wrong in the world.

What a stupid statement. I challenge you to show where I've said anything even resembling that.

But you and I both know you can't. I never would've said anything like that because, frankly, I don't believe it's true...

He is not a solution at all.

Again, I never suggested he was. But he, and his approach to governing, are not commonly seen things in DC.

People like to say that Donald Trump is the cause of all the hate and division in the United States. He's not. He's the result of it...

Politicians basically are tasked with dealing with the same crap all over the world. They are supposed to do three things right. Prevent war, prevent economic collapse and keep stability and avoid chaos and instability. That is it. Let me repeat:

1) Avoid War.

2) Avoid Economic Collapse.

3) Avoid uncertainty and unstable conditions.

Please cite something (other than your opinion) which states those are the three things politicians are tasked to do.

I'll wait...

Americans are by and large ignorant and arrogant.

Ignorant? Hardly.

Arrogant? You betcha'. We have every right to be. We've earned that right...

Trump is not change. He is just a selfish con man bent on raiding the piggy bank of government for himself and his cronies. Nothing new there in political life or thought. Just another drain on the public coffers.

I'm still waiting for anyone who makes such bullshit claims to back them up.

Again, cite real evidence...

[Doug64]

People like to say that Donald Trump is the cause of all the hate and division in the United States. He's not. He's the result of it...

Actually, Trump is a uniter--every time he goes on another Tweet storm, the reaction from both Liberals and Conservatives is "Oh, f**k!!!"

Please cite something (other than your opinion) which states those are the three things politicians are tasked to do.

Actually, there are six:

1. ... to form a more perfect Union,
2. establish Justice,
3. insure domestic Tranquility,
4. provide for the common defence,
5. promote the general Welfare,
6. and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity ...

[BigSteve]

Actually, there are six:

1. ... to form a more perfect Union,
2. establish Justice,
3. insure domestic Tranquility,
4. provide for the common defence,
5. promote the general Welfare,
6. and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity ...

Okay, just so we're clear, you can't actually cite anything other than your opinion.

Got it...

[Doug64]

Okay, just so we're clear, you can't actually cite anything other than your opinion.

Got it...

Actually, that's not my opinion--it's from the Preamble of the Constitution, laying out just what it's for.

[Tainari88]

What a stupid statement. I challenge you to show where I've said anything even resembling that.

But you and I both know you can't. I never would've said anything like that because, frankly, I don't believe it's true...



Again, I never suggested he was. But he, and his approach to governing, are not commonly seen things in DC.

People like to say that Donald Trump is the cause of all the hate and division in the United States. He's not. He's the result of it...



Please cite something (other than your opinion) which states those are the three things politicians are tasked to do.

I'll wait...





Ignorant? Hardly.

Arrogant? You betcha'. We have every right to be. We've earned that right...



I'm still waiting for anyone who makes such bullshit claims to back them up.

Again, cite real evidence...

Cite real evidence of him not being real change? Are you kidding me? Lol. No, Big Steve that symbol you got of the restriction lets me know you don't know how to debate well. No need to give you unwanted attention. Lol.

No, you are a conservative guy who thinks the solution to the USA's problems is someone who is a spoiled child, who's father would bail him out of problems, ran from the draft, who never had any kind of political knowledge and is strictly a failed businessman with bankruptcies from Atlantic City casinos, and a long string of bankers who did not trust him to pay his debts back in a timely manner. He is the symbol of what? American success? He is what?-- as evidence of knowing how to run a government? It goes to show how little you understand what statesmanship is supposed to be about.

Governments that are based on republican forms of governance are not supposed to be run like for profit businesses at all. That you think or other conservatives think that is what it is about in life? No, it is not. The scope of a for profit business is very very narrow in scope. Government is not and never will be. That you fail to process this goes to show why government and business has to be separated just as church and state must be. But since this Trump man doesn't know how to separate nepotism, corrupt business practices or lack of ethics from political power grabs and publicity hounding it is not surprising you don't see the evidence. Lol.

I won't bother with you Big Steve. I find you shallow. In everything.

[BigSteve]

Actually, that's not my opinion--it's from the Preamble of the Constitution, laying out just what it's for.

Funny, I don't see any of these in the preamble:

1) Avoid War.

2) Avoid Economic Collapse.

3) Avoid uncertainty and unstable conditions.

I would remind you that you presented those three things as things politicians are supposed to do.

Oh, and the word "politicians" isn't in the preamble, either.

So, you presented those three things, and you've proven to be a failure at citing a source for them. They're not in the preamble. They're in your head...

[BigSteve]

Cite real evidence of him not being real change? Are you kidding me? Lol. No, Big Steve that symbol you got of the restriction lets me know you don't know how to debate well. No need to give you unwanted attention. Lol.

No, you are a conservative guy who thinks the solution to the USA's problems is someone who is a spoiled child, who's father would bail him out of problems, ran from the draft, who never had any kind of political knowledge and is strictly a failed businessman with bankruptcies from Atlantic City casinos, and a long string of bankers who did not trust him to pay his debts back in a timely manner. He is the symbol of what? American success? He is what?-- as evidence of knowing how to run a government? It goes to show how little you understand what statesmanship is supposed to be about.

Governments that are based on republican forms of governance are not supposed to be run like for profit businesses at all. That you think or other conservatives think that is what it is about in life? No, it is not. The scope of a for profit business is very very narrow in scope. Government is not and never will be. That you fail to process this goes to show why government and business has to be separated just as church and state must be. But since this Trump man doesn't know how to separate nepotism, corrupt business practices or lack of ethics from political power grabs and publicity hounding it is not surprising you don't see the evidence. Lol.

You clearly believe you know more than you really do.

I challenged you to show where I thought Trump was the solution to our problems. You've proven only to be a pathetic failure at doing so. He's not the solution, but he was a far better option than the alternative at the time.

To call him a "failed businessman" is, at best, woefully ignorant. Sure, he's had casinos go bankrupt. But the truth is that he's had far more businesses that have been successful than have gone bankrupt.

I won't bother with you Big Steve.

Oh, don't tease me...

[Doug64]

Funny, I don't see any of these in the preamble:

I would remind you that you presented those three things as things politicians are supposed to do.

No, I didn't, Tainari88 did. I just tossed in my own two cents on the purposes of government, taken from one of the finest products of politicians in history.

[BigSteve]

No, I didn't, Tainari88 did, I just tossed in my own list of the purposes of government, taken from one of the finest products of politicians in history.

Apologies for the missassignment...

[Doug64]

Apologies for the missassignment...

No problem.

[jimjam]

Nice to see you back Miss T.

No need to give you unwanted attention. Lol

I won't bother with you Big Steve. I find you shallow. In everything.

I figured this awhile back. Just an extremely self centered Johnny One Note. Interesting as a study in what not to be and nothing further.

He claims to have "earned" the right to be arrogant.

Definition of arrogant
1 : exaggerating or disposed to exaggerate one's own worth or importance often by an overbearing manner
an arrogant official
2 : showing an offensive attitude of superiority : proceeding from or characterized by arrogance

Not much to "earn" here. It's right out there for the taking for those who find strength in weakness.

[BigSteve]

He claims to have "earned" the right to be arrogant.

When and where did I do that?

Sadly, folks like you often need to resort to complete fabrications in order to make a point.

You lack the moral character and the integrity to admit that you're lying, but you are. I never made any such claim. You know it and I know it...

[Rugoz]

However, he has stimulated the economy to the point that jobs and low unemployment are an issue he can win on rather easily.

With Clinton at the helm you might have a low deficit, a fed funds rate at zero and equally low unemployment. Her husband deserves some credit for successfully implementing counter-cyclical fiscal policy in the 90s.

Debt-fueled growth is the only economic policy that is guaranteed to yield measurable results in the time period of an election cycle, hence ignorant and irresponsible politicans always engage in it, no matter the circumstances.

Not that I expected anything less from Trump.

[Tainari88]

Nice to see you back Miss T.






I figured this awhile back. Just an extremely self centered Johnny One Note. Interesting as a study in what not to be and nothing further.

He claims to have "earned" the right to be arrogant.

Definition of arrogant
1 : exaggerating or disposed to exaggerate one's own worth or importance often by an overbearing manner
an arrogant official
2 : showing an offensive attitude of superiority : proceeding from or characterized by arrogance

Not much to "earn" here. It's right out there for the taking for those who find strength in weakness.

Oh Jimjam my man, nice to see you again too. I have not written much in politics in English lately. Not written in English for months really except with one or two friends. Lol.

I find people who admire business people who are billionaires as real successes usually have no clue about political strengths and leadership abilities in politics. They equate a 'successful' politician with a successful businessman.

A for profit business has again a narrow scope Jimjam. You know this. You owe either a profit to your shareholders or stockholders who are the main investors by law you owe them profits, or you are a family run business and are privately held and still only owe profit to a limited group of people. Mainly your family. Government is not a small family who control a for profit business. Neither is it a corporation who has to turn a profit. It is a political structure that within a republican form of government is publicly held and it owes its obligations to every single voter and citizen of that nation. It also deals with funds not based on profit. Public funds. So the rules are not the same and never will be. Running those two structures are not the same skill sets. But apparently many American voters can't seem to understand why they are not.

It is obvious to me. But it is not obvious to many who only see capitalism as the only form of economic structure in the world. They often fail to study economic development in human history and never understand how slavery and feudalism died off and wage labor replaced it. They don't get it because no one gave them an education in it. They then talk shit on the internet acting like they know their human economic history and they don't.

I am too limited in time nowadays to be educating Big Steve types out there on basics they should have covered in their senior year in high school and did not. No time for that shit anymore.

Lol. I prefer giving you a kiss on the cheek my dear Jimjam!

[BigSteve]

I am too limited in time nowadays to be educating Big Steve types out there on basics they should have covered in their senior year in high school and did not. No time for that shit anymore.

You're delusional if you believe you can "educate" anyone.

I don't view successful businessmen as successful politicians. Why? Because they're businessmen, that's why. I don't like politicians. If the rest of the Presidents in my lifetime come from the business world as opposed to the political world, I'll call that a "win"...

[Finfinder]

Ha! You got me. Morons wearing American flags beating the shit out of folks who have a different opinion strikes me as kinda Gestapo like.

This quot has come back to bite you in the back side my good friend. Did you see the latest video of the Antifa beating the shit out of a gay Asian American journalist. Seriously though I know you can handle it that is why I pick on sometimes your a good egg. Hope your summer or as they say in Maine Summa is going well.

[jimjam]

Trump and Republistan have rejected democracy and representative government for decades.

Winning free and fair elections is not what Republicans and Trump are about.

They are a neo-Confederacy and cult of personality happy to steal elections for a living.

Why would he and they start moderating their radical views when theft, deception and fear-mongering have served them so well ?

Donald Trump's Presidency and his Senate co-conpsirators are a 12-alarm dumpster fire of radical Reverse Robin Hoodism busy raiding the national treasury and ballot boxes for extra cash.

America will be much more woke in 2020 than the 2016 sleepwalking country that allowed this imposter and his co-conspirators to run America into a lawless Robber Baron state on steroids.

Democrats need to focus on healthcare, infrastructure, green energy, campaign finance corruption reform, female sovereignty, sensible immigration reform, fair taxation, voter registration and wiping regressive Republicanism off the face of the political map.

Trump is a Presidential black hole.

Mitch McConnell's Senate is where democracy goes to die.

The Republican Party hasn't seen the center since George H W Bush raised taxes, since Nixon created the EPA, and since Eisenhower warned about the military industrial complex.

[Hindsite]

Trump and Republistan have rejected democracy and representative government for decades.

Winning free and fair elections is not what Republicans and Trump are about.

They are a neo-Confederacy and cult of personality happy to steal elections for a living.

Why would he and they start moderating their radical views when theft, deception and fear-mongering have served them so well ?

Donald Trump's Presidency and his Senate co-conpsirators are a 12-alarm dumpster fire of radical Reverse Robin Hoodism busy raiding the national treasury and ballot boxes for extra cash.

America will be much more woke in 2020 than the 2016 sleepwalking country that allowed this imposter and his co-conspirators to run America into a lawless Robber Baron state on steroids.

Democrats need to focus on healthcare, infrastructure, green energy, campaign finance corruption reform, female sovereignty, sensible immigration reform, fair taxation, voter registration and wiping regressive Republicanism off the face of the political map.

Trump is a Presidential black hole.

Mitch McConnell's Senate is where democracy goes to die.

The Republican Party hasn't seen the center since George H W Bush raised taxes, since Nixon created the EPA, and since Eisenhower warned about the military industrial complex.

This is why I am voting a straight Republican ticket in 2020.
HalleluYah

[jimjam]

This quot has come back to bite you in the back side my good friend. Did you see the latest video of the Antifa beating the shit out of a gay Asian American journalist. Seriously though I know you can handle it that is why I pick on sometimes your a good egg. Hope your summer or as they say in Maine Summa is going well.

I had to google Antifa, heard the name but wasn't familiar with them. They seem like the flip side of the fascist coin. I doubt I will join up. I classify myself as part of the dying breed of "moderates".

During July the coast of Maine is the best place in the world to be. Today we took a boat ride across Casco Bay to peak's Island. Spectacular. 75 degrees and blue sky. I hope you are finding fins. We should hook up for cheeseburgers this Winter. Take it easy.