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By Pants-of-dog
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Julian658 wrote:.... I believe Trump comes up with this stuff to troll the media. He is hoping they don't pay attention to something else he may be doing.
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https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru ... arter-ever

    3 Months Of Hell: U.S. Economy Drops 32.9% In Worst GDP Report Ever
    July 30, 20205:00 AM ET

    The coronavirus pandemic triggered the sharpest economic contraction in modern American history, the Commerce Department reported Thursday.

    Gross domestic product — the broadest measure of economic activity — shrank at an annual rate of 32.9% in the second quarter as restaurants and retailers closed their doors in a desperate effort to slow the spread of the virus, which has killed more than 150,000 people in the U.S.

    The economic shock in April, May and June was more than three times as sharp as the previous record — 10% in 1958 — and nearly four times the worst quarter during the Great Recession.

    ....
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By Julian658
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Pants-of-dog wrote:https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/07/30/896714437/3-months-of-hell-u-s-economys-worst-quarter-ever

    3 Months Of Hell: U.S. Economy Drops 32.9% In Worst GDP Report Ever
    July 30, 20205:00 AM ET

    The coronavirus pandemic triggered the sharpest economic contraction in modern American history, the Commerce Department reported Thursday.

    Gross domestic product — the broadest measure of economic activity — shrank at an annual rate of 32.9% in the second quarter as restaurants and retailers closed their doors in a desperate effort to slow the spread of the virus, which has killed more than 150,000 people in the U.S.

    The economic shock in April, May and June was more than three times as sharp as the previous record — 10% in 1958 — and nearly four times the worst quarter during the Great Recession.

    ....


Exactly!
The media spends a lot of time responding to the trolling of Trump and often ignore the big picture.
I actually agree with POD. I suspect POD is regaining sanity.
By Patrickov
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Julian658 wrote:I actually agree with POD. I suspect POD is regaining sanity.


My take is that you are getting sane here. In addition to that, you are being humble by trying to praise your counterpart instead of taking (your well-deserved) credit yourself.

I kind of having some introspect that I should learn this sanity and humbleness myself.
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By Julian658
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Drlee wrote:Trump was stunned yesterday when the funeral was all the news. He absolutely could not stand that three presidents and the speaker of the house went to a funeral that he refused to attend.


It would have been great TV if Trump attended the funeral. IN any event this is a non win situation.

Because of Trump's response to the Trump virus we are now no longer the worlds largest economy. We are third behind the EU and PRC. 30 million Americans are literally on the brink of becoming homeless because of the republican party refusing to act to save them.


Later after all the trillions of dollars are spent the pundits will say Trump was awful for running up the deficit. Another no win situation.

The Tea Party fools (the same ones who hired the psychotic HCL "doctor") are holding out for no benefits except for help for business under the preposterous notion that many millions of Americans are refusing to go back to work because they make more on unemployment.


Hmm, that is actually true. Millions of Americans are earning more by not going back to work. The Dems want to buy their votes.

This, by itself, ought to take the discussion to 'why is that' but instead they are fine with literally destroying the economy and tens of millions of peoples lives because as a child they were besotted with Ayn Rand. (Evil woman but we can let that go for a moment. Suffice it to say it was the 'big book' they read in 8th grade.)


Ayn Rand grew up in the socialist state you and your comrades want to bring to America. Can you blame her?
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By Julian658
#15110806
Patrickov wrote:My take is that you are getting sane here. In addition to that, you are being humble by trying to praise your counterpart instead of taking (your well-deserved) credit yourself.

I kind of having some introspect that I should learn this sanity and humbleness myself.

Wow!
Well done dude! 8)
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By XogGyux
#15110811
Drlee wrote:Trump was stunned yesterday when the funeral was all the news. He absolutely could not stand that three presidents and the speaker of the house went to a funeral that he refused to attend. And called him on his shenanigans. Nevertheless his comments were dangerous enough and he unbalanced enough to cause real concern.

There is absolutely no doubt that he will attempt to disrupt the election. The republican party has already filed 17 (IIR) law suits directly aimed at voter suppression. Trump will try to invalidate mail in ballots. If he looses he will claim the election was stolen by fake ballots. And nobody in the republican party will do squat about it. He has also tried to tank the USPS.

Because of Trump's response to the Trump virus we are now no longer the worlds largest economy. We are third behind the EU and PRC. 30 million Americans are literally on the brink of becoming homeless because of the republican party refusing to act to save them.

The Tea Party fools (the same ones who hired the psychotic HCL "doctor") are holding out for no benefits except for help for business under the preposterous notion that many millions of Americans are refusing to go back to work because they make more on unemployment. This, by itself, ought to take the discussion to 'why is that' but instead they are fine with literally destroying the economy and tens of millions of peoples lives because as a child they were besotted with Ayn Rand. (Evil woman but we can let that go for a moment. Suffice it to say it was the 'big book' they read in 8th grade.)


Was he even invited to attend? Seriously he would be so out of place there and I cannot fathom the family inviting this guy.

On the other hand, regarding the economy... well we were the top economy for 100+ years, this was bound to happen sooner or later. Also, Trump promised that he would make Mexico pay for a wall, so it seems his strategy is going to be to make us such a shithole that Mexico will put the wall to prevent Trump-virus infested poor people that don't speak Spanish from immigrating to Mexico :lol: .
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By XogGyux
#15110827
I swear, it is not my intention to be posting every single anti-trump add, just a few of the funnier ones. However, these people must have a bunch of comedians on payroll, they are making very fun adds! :lol:
Yeah sure, won't change any minds with their "sciency" themed adds, but whatever, fun regardless.

Enjoy
#15110831
XogGyux wrote:I swear, it is not my intention to be posting every single anti-trump add, just a few of the funnier ones. However, these people must have a bunch of comedians on payroll, they are making very fun adds!
Yeah sure, won't change any minds with their "sciency" themed adds, but whatever, fun regardless.

Enjoy
This is my current favourite

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By Chad
#15110835
America is Beautiful and all the Never Trumpers...(Antifa Loving, BLM Supporting,Police Defunding, Leftist Democrats)... get to cry on Election Night as President Trump gets his second term to Make and Keep America Beautiful. Trump-Pence 2016-2024!!!
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By JohnRawls
#15110841
Chad wrote:America is Beautiful and all the Never Trumpers...(Antifa Loving, BLM Supporting,Police Defunding, Leftist Democrats)... get to cry on Election Night as President Trump gets his second term to Make and Keep America Beautiful. Trump-Pence 2016-2024!!!


Yes sure whatever. As a person who said that Trump will win in 2016, i tell you that Trump will loose spectacularly this November. My fear is that it might dis-balance the Republican-Democrat divide too much. It is not good if Republicans will be set back by a decade. But i am pretty sure they can recover fast even if Trump spectacular loss will transition to them. They should be back on track after couple of years or maximum 5. If it takes longer than democrat majority will become horrible anyways. Nobody likes parties/leaders with monopoly on all the power.
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By Hindsite
#15110863
Chad wrote:America is Beautiful and all the Never Trumpers...(Antifa Loving, BLM Supporting,Police Defunding, Leftist Democrats)... get to cry on Election Night as President Trump gets his second term to Make and Keep America Beautiful. Trump-Pence 2016-2024!!!

I hope you are right. The Democrats and their dishonest news media are telling every lie they can in their efforts to tell people what to think. They say that telling people what to think is their job. :lol:
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By Julian658
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JohnRawls wrote:Yes sure whatever. As a person who said that Trump will win in 2016, i tell you that Trump will loose spectacularly this November. My fear is that it might dis-balance the Republican-Democrat divide too much. It is not good if Republicans will be set back by a decade. But i am pretty sure they can recover fast even if Trump spectacular loss will transition to them. They should be back on track after couple of years or maximum 5. If it takes longer than democrat majority will become horrible anyways. Nobody likes parties/leaders with monopoly on all the power.

Both sides have dysfunction. However, the extreme left is generally much more out of touch and dysfunctional. Anyone that is a true centrist will acknowledge there is more dysfunction on the left. Lastly, the experiments of the left regarding government have generally caused much more harm. As of now they have convinced a segment of America they are living in hell.
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By Hindsite
#15110871
Julian658 wrote:Both sides have dysfunction. However, the extreme left is generally much more out of touch and dysfunctional. Anyone that is a true centrist will acknowledge there is more dysfunction on the left. Lastly, the experiments of the left regarding government have generally caused much more harm. As of now they have convinced a segment of America they are living in hell.

That is to convince as many people as possible that they should vote for a change to get out of their misery. Obama won with the "Hope and Change" slogan.
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By Drlee
#15110873
Just for the hell of it Julian, try to make a post that is not racist nor contains racist references.

Then tell us who the far left are. Certainly not democrats. Not even Bernie nor AOC are extreme left wingers. If as indeed is the case, Biden is a center right candidate, then, at least by world standards, AOC is slightly left of center and Bernie just dead in the middle.

I get that you want to paint someone as extreme left but give me an example of an extreme left person in the US holding national office. Pro hint....there aren't any.
By Patrickov
#15110877
Drlee wrote:Just for the hell of it Julian, try to make a post that is not racist nor contains racist references.

Then tell us who the far left are. Certainly not democrats. Not even Bernie nor AOC are extreme left wingers. If as indeed is the case, Biden is a center right candidate, then, at least by world standards, AOC is slightly left of center and Bernie just dead in the middle.

I get that you want to paint someone as extreme left but give me an example of an extreme left person in the US holding national office. Pro hint....there aren't any.



I come to think that the "far left" is more likely among supporters rather than whoever in office, just like how the supporters of Trump are often more racist than himself.

I perceive leaders serve as a representative of their supporters in democracies, and their own personality / views are less important than many of us expect or believe. Trump is more like an exception in this case, in that he seems eager to align his views with some of his more outspoken supporters, so as to show his "solidarity" with those who are willing to vote him.

In conclusion, I believe:
1. Member Julian658 won't be able to list one "far left holder of office", and
2. It would be wrong for him to actually believe such kind of person exists at all.
3. Their perception that "far left exists in Democrat camp" is not from the top, but rather from the bottom.
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By Local Localist
#15110878
Patrickov wrote:I come to think that the "far left" is more likely among supporters rather than whoever in office, just like how the supporters of Trump are often more racist than himself.

I perceive leaders serve as a representative of their supporters in democracies, and their own personality / views are less important than many of us expect or believe. Trump is more like an exception in this case, in that he seems eager to align his views with some of his more outspoken supporters, so as to show his "solidarity" with those who are willing to vote him.

In conclusion, I believe:
1. Member Julian658 won't be able to list one "far left holder of office", and
2. It would be wrong for him to actually believe such kind of person exists at all.
3. Their perception that "far left exists in Democrat camp" is not from the top, but rather from the bottom.


You need good optics to be democratically elected. ;)
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By blackjack21
#15110905
XogGyux wrote:You don't like capitalism? :lol:

I'm very suspicious of surveillance capitalism. Would you be cool with repealing HIPAA and allowing doctors, hospitals and pharmaceutical companies to sell your health information?

XogGyux wrote:He chose to put politics above simple facts and by spreading this sort of non-sense he put others at risk as well.

Isn't that his risk to take? Everybody else has the same set of facts and disinformation and can make their own choices too.

XogGyux wrote:Trump is killing his own supporters.

Trump is not synonymous with the Wuhan coronavirus.

XogGyux wrote:I don't think he intends to kill them either. I just think he is a complete fuckup that does not fully realize the consequences of his actions.

And what of all the Antifa/BLM protests that have played a significant role in a second wave of the Wuhan coronavirus? You seem remarkably unconcerned about this for a medical doctor.

XogGyux wrote:Maybe the last few months we get to enjoy anything before this idiot tries to make this country a dictatorship my messing with the election and we end up killing each other.

Are you afraid of a pending dictatorship, and not the de facto dictatorship of emergency orders already in effect in many states?

XogGyux wrote:Beethoven reigns supreme, that is unless we are only talking about piano (not orchestra and/or other instruments), and in such case Chopin is the man.
Tchaikovsky is a close second to Beethoven, the ballets are a masterpiece.

Tchaikovsky was a master of form. Beethoven was excellent. As for symphonies, I give it to Gustav Mahler. For creativity, it's hard to beat Igor Stravinsky. Stravinsky even influenced much of American jazz greats like Charlie Parker and Miles Davis.





I know, I know... Russia, Russia, Russia!!!

Drlee wrote:And Mark Knopfler is the greatest guitar player of all time.

I doubt even Mark Knopfler would agree with that. He's certainly a unique player.

Drlee wrote:(And supports Biden I'll bet because Knopfler is more intelligent than a banana.)

Knopfler is British. I'll bet you didn't know that.

Tainari88 wrote:BJ, Trump is threatening to postpone the election. He is falling into the fascist behavior camp. I don't know about you sometimes BJ.

:roll: He's trolling you people. Haven't you figured that out yet?

Tainari88 wrote:BJ, el fuego viene. It is inevitable.

Count on another 4 years of Trump then. Police killing "unarmed" black people isn't a big deal in suburban America. Most of that happens in urban areas ruled by Democrats.

Tainari88 wrote:They will always be pitting immigrants and the working class.

There is more to capitalism than pitting immigrants against the working class. This is such a 19th-early 20th Century industrial outlook that it hardly makes any sense outside of the working class. The bourgeoisie is much different now, and basically more into information-based jobs.

Tainari88 wrote:To think that what happened to them and with them? Will never happen in the USA? It is foolish.

Yes, but you are afraid of Trump "becoming" a dictator while ignoring governors who are actually wielding dictatorial power right now. Why do you have no criticism for Cuomo, Murphy or Newsom? Why are you not afraid when they actually wield dictatorial power? Why are you not upset that SCOTUS upheld the governor of Nevada's edict allowing casinos to take in far more people than churches when the first Amendment protects churches, but not casinos? I don't think you are afraid of totalitarianism or authoritarianism at all. I think you are afraid of who becomes the totalitarian/authoritarian.

Tainari88 wrote:Most of the working class is of sound mind and most people don't have serious personality disorders.

I said "underclass". The homeless, the vagrants, etc.

Tainari88 wrote:I happen to think something really transformational is going to arrive soon.

I think it is more like a '68 type of moment. Radicalism generally doesn't work. As Bill Barr said to Congress the other day words to the effect of, "At what point is it okay to burn down a US courthouse?" The Democrats are plainly on the side of anarchy right now, and I don't think that is going to lead to anything good, unless by transformational you mean civil war and anarchy.

Tainari88 wrote:But Trump is not preferable to anything BJ.

That's your opinion. In my opinion, he's preferable to President Hillary Rodham Clinton, President Jeb Bush or President Joe Biden--and all the deep state actors and media apparatchiks intended to support them.

Tainari88 wrote:Again he is a man with rotten values.

The establishment system is rife with that, it's just not front and center. We don't have a choice between saints and sinners. We have a choice between a well organized cabal of scumbags like the Clintons, Bidens, Bushes, etc. or loud mouth, non-ideological, self-promoting windbags like Trump. Right now, the latter is preferable. However, "preferable" does not mean "ideal."

Tainari88 wrote:It is not an improvement.

Exposing the deep state is an improvement. I like listening to lawyers debate the Flynn stuff. The appellate court agreed to rehear the case en banc--which is more or less to give Sullivan another shot at sentencing Flynn or holding some other hearing before the whole thing is shut down, because 100% of the case law supports dismissing the case at this point. I listened to a left wing lawyer completely omit the fact that Sullivan appointed an amicus, which absolutely should have been shut down. He dramatically simplified his explanation and in effect lied to his listeners, who frankly want to be lied to. Exposing this stuff, these machinations is a great thing. This is the rot that has to be rooted out, and it has to be exposed before the public really understand the problem of simply voting for Bush, Clinton, Biden, et. al. Remember early in these primaries, the ONLY Democrat I was opposed to was Biden. The guy couldn't win a primary until ALL of his competitors were more or less ordered by the establishment to withdraw from the race--giving Biden an uncontested shot at the nomination, because he could NOT do it himself. He's frankly past his prime; and, yet, that's what the establishment wanted--someone they could control completely. Trump is someone they cannot control, so he IS an improvement if you understand the nature of the establishment.

Tainari88 wrote:I never liked Thomas Sowell.

He started out as a devout Marxist.

Tainari88 wrote:The only one I really liked surprisingly was Colin Powell.

Powell isn't a conservative. He's a neoconservative, which basically is in line with Trotskyism.

Tainari88 wrote:I find your view of things often lacking nuance and an understanding of what victory or defeat really represents in this world. I don't know if you would ever like to explore that someday?

I view it as more like Andrew Breitbart--politics is downstream from culture. Dr. Steve Turley has some good analysis from time-to-time; namely, that post-modernism doesn't work in a world defined by modernism. Corporations can't be chartered by nation-states and be "globalist" in their lack of loyalty to the state that underwrites them and expect to be sustained if the state that underwrites them goes under. Look at how the EU is failing for example. You take a very humanistic view of things, but think that the systemic view can be subdued by ideology. I don't agree. It's not that I don't understand. It's that I don't agree. In that sense, I would go Breitbart a step further: culture is downstream from technological development. I don't think we would have seen a growing Al Qaeda without the internet, nor ISIS without social media. Frankly, I don't think we would have seen a president Trump without social media either. Yet, look what it is doing to the Democrats right now. You have factions like AOC growing--which you like--but as she took down a possible successor to Pelosi, she also just took out an establishmentarian like Eliot Engel in her neighboring district. This has forced the DNC to adopt a very radical agenda going into the general election, when most parties tack toward the center after securing their base.

Their is a big fracture among the left and right now in that the left is no longer predicated on logic and reason. They depend much more so on feelings, images, and iconography. That's why they have suddenly become iconoclastic about the past of the Democratic party--tearing down statues, etc. as if they were the Taliban or ISIS or something.

Tainari88 wrote:The problems with adaptability is a lack of conscious thought and intent in the adaptational actions. Too many of the lack of consciousness going on.

What if the "lack of consciousness" is also IQ-related. A lot of advanced political concepts require a significant faculty for abstraction.

Tainari88 wrote:I love sensitive, deeply thoughtful, and beautiful aesthetic things and love people who fill their lives up with beauty of the mind.

Of course you do. That is why socialism is appealing to you. It is more of an aesthetic ultimately.

Tainari88 wrote:Love is of extreme power in this world BJ.

Perhaps. To many socialists, however, it is nothing more than oxytocin and has its own dark side.

The Dark Side of Oxytocin
Human ethnocentrism—the tendency to view one's group as centrally important and superior to other groups—creates intergroup bias that fuels prejudice, xenophobia, and intergroup violence. Grounded in the idea that ethnocentrism also facilitates within-group trust, co-operation, and co-ordination, we conjecture that ethnocentrism may be modulated by brain oxytocin, a peptide shown to promote co-operation among in-group members.


Tainari88 wrote:He is not a politician BJ. He is a product of American culture and American values. That is my take on Trump.

Right, and you also say he isn't an ideologue. So he's really not a danger as some sort of totalitarian.

Hindsite wrote:It appears that the lives of Black supporters of President Trump don't matter to the radical left Democrats and their media.

Yes, that's a particularly ominous omission from the mainstream press. Can you imagine if a sign carrying Biden supporter was murdered in broad daylight? We'd never hear the end of it. Yet, killing black Trump supporters is a-okay apparently.

Drlee wrote:Trump was stunned yesterday when the funeral was all the news. He absolutely could not stand that three presidents and the speaker of the house went to a funeral that he refused to attend.

I thought funerals were banned. I've missed two this year, because coronavirus directives said it was only for immediate family. It's another example of the "rules for you, but not for me" coming from the establishment and why we simply need to do our level best to defeat these tyrants.
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By Julian658
#15110910
Drlee wrote:Just for the hell of it Julian, try to make a post that is not racist nor contains racist references.

Then tell us who the far left are. Certainly not democrats. Not even Bernie nor AOC are extreme left wingers. If as indeed is the case, Biden is a center right candidate, then, at least by world standards, AOC is slightly left of center and Bernie just dead in the middle.

I get that you want to paint someone as extreme left but give me an example of an extreme left person in the US holding national office. Pro hint....there aren't any.


For you anyone to the right of Karl Marx is a NAZI.

However, you have a bit of a point. Most on the left in America are elite people that have found a schtick that works for them. All they do is promote victimhood among minorities, women, immigrants, LGBTQIA, and even Muslim fundamentalists. The more people that embraces the noble victim role the better. That is the essence of left in America.

And then there are racists like you that sees racism everywhere 24/7.
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By Julian658
#15110911
Patrickov wrote:I come to think that the "far left" is more likely among supporters rather than whoever in office, just like how the supporters of Trump are often more racist than himself.

I perceive leaders serve as a representative of their supporters in democracies, and their own personality / views are less important than many of us expect or believe. Trump is more like an exception in this case, in that he seems eager to align his views with some of his more outspoken supporters, so as to show his "solidarity" with those who are willing to vote him.

In conclusion, I believe:
1. Member Julian658 won't be able to list one "far left holder of office", and
2. It would be wrong for him to actually believe such kind of person exists at all.
3. Their perception that "far left exists in Democrat camp" is not from the top, but rather from the bottom.


I agree with the post. The left is relative and different in each nation. As I said to another poster, the American left is an elite system that promotes the concept of victimhood. In fact, they even have a theory called intersectionality where victimhood is rated according to severity and to how many victimhood points a person has. For example a black transgender is more of a victim than a Nordic transgender. IN any event everyone is assign a spot in the victimhood scale except one specific group of a certain gender. This group is designed as the oppressor.
By Doug64
#15110912
Julian658 wrote:And then there are racists like you that sees racism everywhere 24/7.

Racialists aren’t necessarily racists (though many of them are).
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