Hindsite wrote:I have noticed a steady change in attitude toward the U.S. and NATO since Erdogan has taken power. As long as leaders like him remain in control of Turkey, I support the President's decision to prevent the sales of F-35 aircraft to Turkey even though it remains in NATO. If we ever have to go to war against them, why would we want to increase their military capability?
That's some of my thinking. The issue from a technical perspective, as I see it, is that these air defense systems are no longer primitive standalone systems. 50 years ago, nobody in their right mind would record radar readings. Today, nobody in their right mind would not record them. At least one issue is that when eye witnesses know that an F-35 is flying, the radar readings can be transmitted back to Russia and they can improve algorithms to distinguish faint readings that might be birds, balloons, etc. from actual fighter planes. So you definitely do not want to have F-35s flying continuously in an airspace monitored by Russian air defenses.
Drlee wrote:I would stop training their officers and exclude them from all classified Nato information other than just that small amount necessary to allow them some minor participation in NATO.
As I see it, this is the problem with the US government since the fall of the Soviet Union. On an orthogonal matter, I used to say that NAFTA would not make Mexico more like the US, but it would make the US more like Mexico. I think that has come to pass. Similarly, I don't think cold warriors would ever have let China rise to the point that it has. They were terribly concerned about an ally like Japan in the 1980s, if you remember. The thing with Turkey is that they have been integral to nuclear defense. Incirlik hosts 90 B61 nuclear weapons. 40 of those weapons are allocated for use by the Turkish Air Force should nuclear war arise--this, of course, would require NATO approval.
Drlee wrote:It is time that the US reacts strongly when its so-called allies criticize and/or act against its best interest. If I had been President when that Erdoğan's body guards assaulted US citizens, I would have ignominiously booted him from the country and arrested the guards. We have been altogether to forgiving with Turkey. We should not listen when mice roar.
We might call Erdogan a mouse, but we can't say the same of Turkey. Turkey has the second largest standing army in NATO--that is, it's bigger than the British Army, whose institutional memory can probably still utter the word "Gallipoli" and shudder.
We have had similar problems for the whole of the 21st Century with so-called allies like Pakistan.
Drlee wrote:Trump should prohibit the sale of any US weaponry to Turkey. If he is actually blocking the sale of F-35s to Turkey then good for him.
I am inclined to agree. So I suspect that the suspension of the sale of other equipment is a signal to NATO allies other than Turkey as well.
Washington's foreign policy has been ambiguous for decades now. It does need to firm up.
"This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia – hysterical xenophobia – and fearmongering to lead the way instead of science."
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