jimjam wrote:Senate Republicans stuck up for themselves, and their institution, on Tuesday by joining unanimously with their Democratic colleagues to call on the president to stop stonewalling. They asked him to release to the relevant congressional committees the complaint from a whistle-blower that an inspector general had said raised an “urgent concern” about the president’s behavior.
Generally, IG reports have to be declassified before they can be released to Congress. Trump wasn't stonewalling anybody.
jimjam wrote:The rare display of institutional solidarity in defense of American democracy may prove ephemeral.
Yeah. The Senate defending democracy.
They're defending a long-standing ex-member of the Senate. Clearly, it has Mitt "neocon" Romney upset. It makes me wonder what deals he's cut for his kids.
jimjam wrote:On the other hand, it can be hard to recognize turning points in the moment, and this week Mr. Trump’s outrages seemed to be stirring lawmakers from their state of political rigidity and passivity.
They're upset, because he's investigating them. That's pretty much what it amounts to.
jimjam wrote:Mitch McConnell, the Senate majority leader, publicly asserted that he had pushed for the funding for Ukraine and received no explanation for why it had been held up by the administration.
Getting money to the Ukraine isn't that important.
Hindsite wrote:They just want to see evidence to what actually happened and why. Apparently, President Trump has contacted the President of Ukraine to see if he objected to the release of the transcript of their conversation and has announced the release of the full unredacted transcript on Wednesday. So we will soon know the answers. The complaint by the so-called whistleblower, who had no first-hand knowledge, will also be released. So it looks like it is going to be much ado about nothing again.
Yeah. I read the transcript. I don't see any law being broken here at all.
Zionist Nationalist wrote:I prefer him over the usual boring hypocrite politicians like Macron,Obama,Merkel
they are just clones. almost never show their true faces.
That's the only "eyebrow raising" part, as he bashes Merkel and Macron.
Beren wrote:I guess Trump just showed his true face indeed when he blatantly threatened a foreign leader with withholding $400 million US government foreign aid to his country for dirt on one of his domestic political opponents via phone.
Trump didn't even mention any funding, nor did Zelensky. The call was one of congratulations.
Beren wrote:But you're absolutely right that Trump has failed to show any signs of any professionalism during his presidential tenure.
It's a good thing to have a citizen-led government as our forefathers intended, rather than professional politicians.
Beren wrote:He's an amateur indeed, I wonder though how it makes him any better.
It makes him more authentic than other politicians. I read the transcript, and I could pretty much hear his voice in my head. It's standard Trump. What the media cooked up was something totally different. The American people are going to look at this and wonder what the Democrats are talking about.
Rancid wrote:The hilarity here is that Trump supporters/defenders do not realize that Trump is using tactics (Ukrainegate as a big example) that the corrupt politicians in developing and 3rd world "shitholes" use.
A lot of places in America are like third world shitholes. San Francisco (Nancy Pelosi's congressional district) is a fantastic example of a blindingly stark contrast between the rich and the poor.
Rancid wrote:This behavior erodes that and opens the door to more corruption.
Now that we have the transcript, is there a particular sentence or paragraph in there that particularly bothers you?
late wrote:Nice, after all the bloviation, to see Trump admitting to High Crimes on tv...
What crime or crimes?
late wrote:He had already frozen military aid when he made the call.
Read the transcript. There's nothing in there about any quid-pro-quo. None.
late wrote:Fantasy Island may be a nice place to visit, but it's time to visit the real world.
Yes. Read the transcript and point out the things Trump said that you think are illegal, and then point to the relevant statutes or regulations please.
jimjam wrote:The Justice Department said Wednesday that Mr. Barr was unaware that Mr. Trump had told Mr. Zelensky that he would contact him. The department said that Mr. Barr has never spoken with Mr. Trump about working with Ukraine to investigate anything related to the Bidens and that he has never spoken with Mr. Giuliani about “anything related to Ukraine.”
So?
Political Interest wrote:And why does Biden's son have links to Ukraine?
The more explicit question is why does Hunter Biden get kicked out of the US military for cocaine use and then end up making $600k a year on the board of directors of a Ukrainian oil and gas firm when he has no experience with Ukraine and no experience with oil and gas? It seems like they could get somebody more qualified than the drug-addicted son of the Vice President of the United States, unless ...
Political Interest wrote:Does this mean that Ukraine is going to influence American elections?
I suspect it means they already influenced US policy, or US pols like Biden used US funds to shake down the Ukraine so his son could have a soft landing after his military career failed due to the use of illegal drugs--for which he was never charged or convicted as far as I know.
SpecialOlympian wrote:The best people. The best.
I'm pretty sure it was no accident. Trump is just kind of a cream puff when it comes to hiring neocons and Democrats.
Anyway, so far I don't see any reasonable basis to believe any crime has been committed. Once again, the media is wasting our time with fake news.
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