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By Tainari88
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blackjack21 wrote:It's going to be interesting. Trump is a very different animal from what they've experienced before. John Durham now has subpoena power, a grand jury, and the ability to indict. That's a pretty big stick for a president on his way to re-election. Neither Trump nor Barr will not be turning a blind eye, nor tolerating things that swamp creatures like Jeff Sessions would tolerate. They understand the stakes and they understand that playing defense is a losing game in an election year.


Who knows how many dirty tricks the USA congress, senate and white house will be doing in an election year? In the end, that entire rotten scene is going to have to be dealt with. It is entrenched though. I don't know if the American public truly understands what it is going to take to get rid of the vast majority of those parasites. But that is their problem.


What makes you think I believe in some far Right WASP paradise?


I have very very low expectations of far Right people who are into WASP values Blackjack21. They are not people who are interested in seeing human complexity in the vast majority of humanity. They are fairly one dimensional thinkers in general. They reject in a knee jerk way any discussions of the possibilities that many cultures are valuable. They don't like the terms diversity, equality, multiculturalism, global cultures, etc. They associate it with liberal white pendejos and have allergic reactions. I place you in that category. If you are not that way? You can tell me. But everything you write about is indicative that you are that way. You are surrounded by liberals who spout that stuff but are really racists and limited as well and you associate it with hypocrisy BJ. I am not hypocritical about it. I lived and live it everyday. My entire life is about that...diversity and many cultures. Many languages, many people. All one. It is not a liberal talking point for me. But you? You are reacting to the liberal dominance in your entorno=surroundings. You in your mind are defending your heritage. Some WASP scene. I am glad I was born Puerto Rican I never liked WASP values in general. I understand how someone who is raised in that culture can think it is a great thing to defend. I don't judge you for that. But me personally? I like being Boricua. And if I had to choose that again in another lifetime? I would. Every human being who loves their own culture is finding value in it. That many don't understand that? It doesn't surprise me. But their lack of understanding that truth is going to be very costly to them in terms of placing limits on what they can achieve in terms of international cooperation. And human progress over many hundreds of years.

Trump is president precisely because of the lack of ethics. The electorate does not trust the establishment. I posted a funny little thread that demonstrates the serious lack of competence among establishment politicians and what they face in upstarts like Trump or AOC. Another mantra you may hear from me is that many of these people MUST be on drugs like cocaine in order to explain their insouciance and arrogance as they think their actions are genius while they make one dumb mistake after another. Hunter Biden seems to have had quite a battle with cocaine. Personally, I think the entire Obama administration was cocaine addled.


Yes, and lack of ethics in a nation leads to decline. It does. That is universal. Drugs and American life is a constant. Mexico and many other nations filled with poor people and people willing to go to great lengths for crime and dominance fill that need. That fueling of reliance on narcotic substances in the American psyche is very much at the heart of Latin American drug wars of violence. If there is no massive need to self medicate that society would not be hungry for those substances. Clean up your emotionally empty lives and stop looking for drugs to assuage your lack of meaning in a society with weak community feeling and weak sense of serving others without self interests involved. Drop the greed and the vanity and you might have a better nation someday.

I think that's quite debatable. It certainly happened to Britain, and that may be Britain's fate if it doesn't accept the necessity of a no deal Brexit. However, post-Soviet Russia is doing well enough. The US is protected by two oceans. Nobody can project enough power to cause the US a military defeat at home. Yet, if the US does something like withdraw from the Middle East, it may be a loss of US prestige, but it will be an actual loss for everyone in the region and beyond who benefited from the US maintaining the peace. Consider Shirvan's view of post-WWII power--he's from Azerbaijan.


It is debatable for a man you still believes in some far Right notion of what the USA stands for. I don't have any such blinders on about human beings and who they are Blackjack.

The US sits on the largest slab of arable land in the world. We're going to be fine.


The USA is actively pursuing global warming and climate change acceleration. It is also allowing corporations and agro farming corporate style to rule its agricultural output. The Earth has a limit. And everyone is vulnerable to interconnected interdependent ecological systems. To think you got some nuclear meltdown in Northern Japan like occurred recently with that Tsunami that the radiation won't reach California if some horror happened in the Pacific? Is folly. But keep on thinking the USA is an island that will never be affected by other nations or other peoples. It is the illusion of the ones who believe in the Vanity thing. I don't.

Awww... At least we share a common view that Puerto Rico should be independent.


Yes we do. Nationalism has its good side. Thinking one should not be so overreaching as to think you have a right to everyone's nations for bankers to pursue their dirty business. But? I am not naive thinking you care about Puerto Ricans Blackjack. You don't give a shit. And would not give a shit about any of us. In that? I find you have a bad heart. But, it doesn't prevent you from understanding what is the logical thing to do. In that we have agreement.

There are a lot of people in the West doing that right now, because the establishment lied to them about global trade. It is having profound political impacts. As they try to stop Brexit, Lege, Trump, Wilders, AfD, etc., simultaneously the establishment doesn't understand why they can't stimulate aggregate demand. There are negative interest rates in a lot of places now. Jump back to Hunter Biden and the cocaine problem, extrapolate that to much of the deep state gunning for Trump now, and you start getting a picture of why they are freaking out and losing their grip.


Trump is a symptom of a bad disease. He is not the cause. I understand that. But you must see that Trump has his uses and his limits. What is interesting is that they are having to constantly cover up their own tracks due to his lack of forethought. Lol. I find it all very entertaining, but the reality is that it has to do with a vein in the American government that has always been about unethical and greed filled motivations. It is the true tie that binds all those swampy creatures from the DC Lagoon together. And it will be the thing that brings the power of the USA down with it. Who knows how long a complete collapse will take? I can't guess at that. But that it eventually has to because it doesn't have the ability to right what is wrong? @Atlantis analysis of them being addicted to that easy money and not knowing how to do true reform out of the bad habits already formed and the dependency? It is like Hunter Biden and the drug thing....they are gonna wind up strung out and without any kind of way of swimming out of the SWAMP. Too many years living in that shit to make it go away.


That's very sweet, but almost impossibly naïve.


It is not naive stuff Blackjack21, it is about if you don't have a sense of justice why get into politics at all? Why even write about it? Why even get involved in change? One is determined by one's value system. If you want to label mine sweet and naive? Fine. I happen to think I am being true to my Erich Fromme Communitarian humanist socialism. In the end? It works for me. I wind up having a rich life with rich results in what I value. People. Connections. Love and warmth. Todo lo que valoro.

They've been doing that to their detriment for awhile now. The EU is becoming increasingly aware that they do not control their destiny. Sitting back and doing nothing is no longer sustainable.


China is in trouble, and they are trying to maintain internal cohesion by becoming externally more aggressive. China is an aging country that depends on foreign agriculture for its needs. It's efforts at soft power are starting to blow up too--note the NBA fallout. If NBA players don't think it's important for Chinese people to be able to vote, why do they think it's important to be able to vote themselves? If NBA players think Hong Kong Chinese lives don't matter, why do they think black lives matter? Everything is getting turned on its head.


Yea. The Democrats are facing an implosion. Their political masters have sent them on a kamikaze mission.


The US doesn't need oil from the Middle East, but you do.


The world is an unpredictable place BJ. I keep telling you that but you think your version of events are the ones that will happen. Harari is very right in his book about Homo Sapiens. The stupidity element in human history is consistent.

Again, Vanity and so on? Is a false thing. It falls into the stupidity element. Human Empires all fall into it. The USA is not doing something different to prevent that fate....if it did? It might have a chance at holding on to power for another two hundred years. But so far? They are following a pattern of decline.

I am not a VANITY soldier from your political column Senor Blackjack21. All I am is someone who has dedicated her academic life to studying old and ancient human civvies who committed the sin of thinking they could manipulate all the elements, force out all the enemies, create incessant wars, and exploit their peons with impunity and they all wound up having to abandon their lofty plans and live with nothing for centuries. Be defeated by other nations, be raided by foreign germs and foreign people and wind up being forgotten or reviled because the new conquerers thought their version of oppression and truth was the Trump card that changed their destinies. They should have learned to something very simple....treat others as you would want to be treated. Make equality and respect for all your daily bread. And you have nothing to fear in the world.

If you don't do that? And follow the path of wanting to dominate and wanting to impose? All you shall get for it is defeat. That is a pattern. One I have studied for many many years.
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By Hindsite
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Tainari88 wrote: I happen to think I am being true to my Erich Fromme Communitarian humanist socialism. In the end? It works for me. I wind up having a rich life with rich results in what I value. People. Connections. Love and warmth. Todo lo que valoro.

I have no objection to you believing what you want and living your life according to those beliefs as long as those beliefs are not to force others to believe and live as you do. That is the problem with socialist that run for office. I don't want to be ruled over by those socialist.
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By Tainari88
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Hindsite wrote:I have no objection to you believing what you want and living your life according to those beliefs as long as those beliefs are not to force others to believe and live as you do. That is the problem with socialist that run for office. I don't want to be ruled over by those socialist.


Hindsite, don't worry about socialism. For you it will never happen.

I don't think you can understand the concept and the only socialism that you have ever dealt with in real life is the one that arrives in your mailbox with your social security check and your veteran's benefits. You won't ever connect the dots Hindsite. It is alright.

I have never run across a man who I could say, that doesn't understand me as well as you don't understand me.

I have a sneaking suspicion Blackjack21 is closer to understanding me than you could ever be.

Lol.

And I think Blackjack is far far away from who I am and what I am about.

Ave maria, between the Far Right coder from Walnut Creek and Tiburon county and the Augusta Georgia poster...who doesn't get what I write at all?

Where is the one I love and who does understand me? Far, far away.... ;) La Vida es un misterio.
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By jimjam
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blackjack21 wrote:That's very sweet, but almost impossibly naïve.

Kinda like the idea that Obese Donald is not a crook because he has been gaming the corrupt system (that you despise unless a particular detail of existing corruption works to your advantage.) with a few hundred lawyers for years? Once again my Al Capone analogy ………. Al was not a crook until the Feds got him on a tax rap …. impossibly naïve in the extreme.

Tainari88 wrote:Hindsite, don't worry about socialism. For you it will never happen.

Socialism, illegals, gays, "liberals", Democrats, pretty much anything different is what defines how Donald pushes the buttons and controls his so called base. Donald gives them something to hate while, at the same time, entertaining them with empty words and American flags. Donald and Hindsite think they have a corner on the market when defining "patriotism". Wave lots of flags and hate your real and imagined enemies. I just finished watching a Ken Burns documentary on Germany in WW2 and was struck my the Nazi's use of hate and swastika flags everywhere …………… everywhere. God forbid that peace, compassion and love enter into a definition of patriotism ….. that is weakness. Strength is manifested by hate of anything different.
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By jimjam
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Watergate eventually led to the resignation of former president Richard Nixon before he could be impeached.

Trump’s actions have been even more egregious, William Weld argues, because they invited foreign interference in American democracy and, in his view, are tantamount to treason. “Worse than Watergate? Almost no comparison. Watergate was a single lie. Did the president know? This is a tissue of lies, to use the British expression,” he said.

But Weld does see some parallels between Trump’s predicament and Nixon’s slow then sudden downfall.

Weld said: “The one thing that strikes me most vividly is political and it’s that the president is hanging the members of his own party out to dry in forcing them to go through the draining, even exhausting effort of defending him.
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By Tainari88
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jimjam wrote:Kinda like the idea that Obese Donald is not a crook because he has been gaming the corrupt system (that you despise unless a particular detail of existing corruption works to your advantage.) with a few hundred lawyers for years? Once again my Al Capone analogy ………. Al was not a crook until the Feds got him on a tax rap …. impossibly naïve in the extreme.


Socialism, illegals, gays, "liberals", Democrats, pretty much anything different is what defines how Donald pushes the buttons and controls his so called base. Donald gives them something to hate while, at the same time, entertaining them with empty words and American flags. Donald and Hindsite think they have a corner on the market when defining "patriotism". Wave lots of flags and hate your real and imagined enemies. I just finished watching a Ken Burns documentary on Germany in WW2 and was struck my the Nazi's use of hate and swastika flags everywhere …………… everywhere. God forbid that peace, compassion and love enter into a definition of patriotism ….. that is weakness. Strength is manifested by hate of anything different.


I think WWII Third Reich Germany was what it became because Germany was trying to build that reputation for being a real player in the Imperial nations of Europe. It was gunning for a spot. The USA? It is trying to hold on to a position that can only be held by people who are ethical and who are prepared for the responsibilities of those offices. He has neither the
right people or the right ethics to hold on to power. He is going to keep going another four years because the establishment is extremely corrupt.

He will hold on to it only if he destroys the ones who surround him. That will effectively damage the establishment. But what will take its place?

That my dear Jimjam is the question. ;)
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By Stormsmith
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Trump’s actions have been even more egregious, William Weld argues, because they invited foreign interference in American democracy and, in his view, are tantamount to treason. “Worse than Watergate? Almost no comparison. Watergate was a single lie. Did the president know? This is a tissue of lies, to use the British expression,” he said.


Certainly Watergate was a mini hassle compared to this message President Trump is generating.

Actually, Nixon did collude with the SVN (South Vietnam). It's just that it wasn't discovered until  H.R. Haldeman's files were opened in 2007
[url]politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/06/nixon-vietnam-candidate-conspired-with-foreign-power-win-election-215461[/url]
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By Hindsite
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Tainari88 wrote:Hindsite, don't worry about socialism. For you it will never happen.

I don't think you can understand the concept and the only socialism that you have ever dealt with in real life is the one that arrives in your mailbox with your social security check and your veteran's benefits. You won't ever connect the dots Hindsite. It is alright.

I don't receive any check in the mail. I have direct deposit. Any benefits that I receive from social security now, I paid into it for 45 years before receiving a dime. I also earned my military retirement by 20 years of service while receiving low pay. That is not what I call socialism. To me socialism is receiving something for nothing, because the government steals from those that work to give to those that never work. It is called redistribution of wealth by the socialist.
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By Godstud
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Hindsite wrote: To me socialism is receiving something for nothing, because the government steals from those that work to give to those that never work.
Thank you. This statement is undeniable proof that you have absolutely no fucking clue what Socialism is.

Nothing is "free" in a socialist society. Everyone contributes, so that everyone can benefit, even the ones who are incapable of doing so.
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By Hindsite
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Godstud wrote:Thank you. This statement is undeniable proof that you have absolutely no fucking clue what Socialism is.

Nothing is "free" in a socialist society. Everyone contributes, so that everyone can benefit, even the ones who are incapable of doing so.

How can someone contribute, if he is incapable of doing so?
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By Godstud
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:roll: I suppose you've never heard of people getting injured, hurt, handicapped, etc.? Have you heard of children, before?

I suppose you're one of those people who screams at babies for being lazy and lying around, not contributing to society?
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By Hindsite
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Godstud wrote::roll: I suppose you've never heard of people getting injured, hurt, handicapped, etc.? Have you heard of children, before?

I suppose you're one of those people who screams at babies for being lazy and lying around, not contributing to society?

You suppose wrong and you failed to answer my question.
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By jimjam
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“Where is the Whistleblower, and why did he or she write such a fictitious and incorrect account of my phone call with the Ukrainian President?” President Trump tweeted Thursday night. “Why did the IG allow this to happen? Who is the so-called Informant (Schiff?) who was so inaccurate? A giant Scam!” D.Trump

:lol: come on Donald we are really really tired of your bullshit act. YOU are the scam and we have known this from the get go. You are a pathetic lying dog and we are sick of you. Give America a break and go back to your pretentious tower...……….. sad :lol:
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By Stormsmith
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Is President Trump putting a smidge of distance between himself and IG Barr? Uh-oooooo
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By Godstud
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Hindsite wrote:You suppose wrong and you failed to answer my question.
Your question was silly, and assumes that they never contributed at any point. It's hard for people NOT to contribute to society.

At this point in life, you are probably incapable of contributing to society. It's much likelier that you are taking more than you are contributing. Does that mean you that you haven't in the past?
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By Hindsite
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Godstud wrote:Your question was silly, and assumes that they never contributed at any point. It's hard for people NOT to contribute to society.

At this point in life, you are probably incapable of contributing to society. It's much likelier that you are taking more than you are contributing. Does that mean you that you haven't in the past?

You are wrong again for I contribute with my donations and my voting, to name a couple.
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By Godstud
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A vote isn't a "contribution". but a privilege that you exercise. Donations? :roll:
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By Hindsite
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Godstud wrote:A vote isn't a "contribution". but a privilege that you exercise. Donations? :roll:

By exercising my privilege to vote, I also am contributing to society.
HalleluYah
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By blackjack21
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Tainari88 wrote:Who knows how many dirty tricks the USA congress, senate and white house will be doing in an election year? In the end, that entire rotten scene is going to have to be dealt with. It is entrenched though. I don't know if the American public truly understands what it is going to take to get rid of the vast majority of those parasites. But that is their problem.

With the hatred against Trump, it's well beyond "election year" dirty tricks. The deep state has reached deep into their bag of tricks short of shooting Trump, and I'm sure that is very much on their minds. The corruption is very well entrenched, and it crosses party lines too. The permanent bureaucracy is loyal to that "bi-partisan" consensus that is way out of step with the American people--just as much as many Remainers are to the British electorate who are horrified at the anti-Brexit coup.

I've always thought the Trump-Russia story was a total lie. I actually think it was Bernie loyalists like Seth Rich who leaked the emails, because they hated Hillary and loathed the corruption within the DNC. They paid with their lives for that. Julian Assange is paying with his life for it too. A probable Israeli honey trap for the official state and the deep state--Jeffrey Epstein--was probably executed too, as the Trump administration was going to expose a lot of high ranking officials and former officials, some of whom you would have never expected--like George Mitchell. There is an obvious desperation to get rid of Trump, because of the rigged Supreme Court that has ignored the constitution for decades to push social changes. Yet, I think the deep state has been able to roll politicians for decades now. For example, I think it's no accident that Bill Clinton passed the "regime change" policy for Iraq while he was facing impeachment for Monica Lewinsky. Just as I think it's no accident that the deep state launched another impeachment inquiry against Trump when he announced withdrawing troops from Syria.

Tainari88 wrote:I have very very low expectations of far Right people who are into WASP values Blackjack21.

What makes you think far right people are into WASP values? They aren't all Protestant ethic material by a long shot. However, a lot of them are just people who politically have nowhere else to go, because neither the Democratic or Republican party wants to represent working class people anymore.

Tainari88 wrote:They are not people who are interested in seeing human complexity in the vast majority of humanity.

Yes, but that's true of a lot of people who aren't far right. The establishment has done its level best to sow the seeds of discord. I can understand your antipathy for Trump due to his position on illegal immigration. However, the attacks on his character generally are standard pablum from the establishment that has opened up about their hatred for the American people too. I was watching a video of a Remainer leftist who has swung from her Remainer position toward no-deal Brexit due to the coup in the UK, which I'll queue up for you further down. It has horrified a lot of Remainer voters who were really only trying to avoid a recession and a few hard years, but now realize that being in the EU means not having a vote at all--that the politicians actually despise the people, including the ones who vote for them. Trump gets called racist all the time, yet it was his friendship with Kanye West that put criminal justice reform on his radar and got it through Congress. Here's a video of him receiving an award from black leaders at a black college. I've cued it up about 20 minutes in so you can hear a few of Trump's more meaningful (not standard campaign bullshit) remarks and hear from a woman whose life prison sentence Trump commuted. There are three former prisoners that speak and give you a little more insight into Trump the man rather than the public persona.



Trump sees well past the far right. He understands that the establishment fans the flames of racism with the intent to divide people so that they remain in power no matter which party wins the election. A lot of people are starting to see that now too. I don't think you can watch 5 minutes of that video and say, "Yep, Trump is a racist through and through." It's scenes like this that scare the hell out of the establishment.

Tainari88 wrote:They reject in a knee jerk way any discussions of the possibilities that many cultures are valuable. They don't like the terms diversity, equality, multiculturalism, global cultures, etc.

Perhaps, but your notion of multicultural is practically cosmetic in that it presumes Western values. You didn't move to Mexico because you wanted to experience Aztec human sacrifice to the sun gods. Equality is a Western value. It's not necessarily accepted by diverse cultures.

Tainari88 wrote:You are surrounded by liberals who spout that stuff but are really racists and limited as well and you associate it with hypocrisy BJ.

Well, it's nice that you see that the real racists are the "woke" progressive SJW types here. That was part of my point about Remainers above and listening to Melanie Phillips, who was a traditional liberal and found that the leftists were in fact racist.



Tainari88 wrote:I am not hypocritical about it. I lived and live it everyday. My entire life is about that...diversity and many cultures. Many languages, many people. All one.

In my line of work, English is the dominant language. So many languages aren't so important. Many cultures? I work in a global company. If my boss says, "Can you get x done by Tuesday?", it's a yes or no proposition. Yet, for my colleagues in the Middle East, they can answer "Inshallah" (if God wills it). If I did that, it would likely be unacceptable. If I am in India shopping with a female colleague, I understand that in India, women carry the bags. If I try to carry them, which is standard in America, it upsets them. They feel very uncomfortable. Western technology is pervasive, but Western cultural values are not.

Tainari88 wrote: I am glad I was born Puerto Rican I never liked WASP values in general.

So how exactly is that a multicultural statement? That seems purely chauvinistic to me. How is moving to Mexico for you much different than me moving to Canada, the UK, Australia or New Zealand?

Tainari88 wrote:Clean up your emotionally empty lives and stop looking for drugs to assuage your lack of meaning in a society with weak community feeling and weak sense of serving others without self interests involved. Drop the greed and the vanity and you might have a better nation someday.

Now you are lumping in Jeff Bezos with an unemployed coal miner. Jeff Bezos' values push for a globalization that undermines the American worker, who after decades of despair turns to drugs. Is that person really hopelessly greedy in your mind? Or are you talking about Jeff Bezos and extending that to the rest of the American polity?

Tainari88 wrote:The USA is actively pursuing global warming and climate change acceleration.

I have debated that issue for 20 years now, and I do not accept that premise at all. The most rapid increases in the use of fossil fuels in the last 30 years has happened in China, not the United States. China has used more concrete in the last 10 years than the US did for the last century. Yet, the "poor me" narrative seems to be an excuse that throws "equality" out the window.

Tainari88 wrote:It is also allowing corporations and agro farming corporate style to rule its agricultural output.

Would you prefer to live in the 19th Century where 90% of the people are farmers?

Tainari88 wrote:To think you got some nuclear meltdown in Northern Japan like occurred recently with that Tsunami that the radiation won't reach California if some horror happened in the Pacific? Is folly.

14 people died from that meltdown. 22,000 people died from the Tsunami, and people seem to have forgotten about that. I recall saying that the media was standing atop a mountain of dead bodies and pointing to a small pile of them next to a nuclear power plant and screaming bloody murder. Even the worst nuclear accidents haven't done nearly the environmental damage that things like strip mining, clear cutting, etc. have done.

Tainari88 wrote:I am not naive thinking you care about Puerto Ricans Blackjack. You don't give a shit.

I don't think pretending to care about virtually everyone throughout the world constitutes some sort of high virtue. I find virtue signaling to be cheap.

Tainari88 wrote: In that? I find you have a bad heart.

And that I open my house today to people without power, is that bad hearted too?

Tainari88 wrote:But you must see that Trump has his uses and his limits.

Of course. I've always seen him as a necessary agent for deconstructing the Washington establishment.

Tainari88 wrote:It is not naive stuff Blackjack21, it is about if you don't have a sense of justice why get into politics at all?

Most of the people in politics aren't about dispensing justice. That's precisely what I mean. Most of the people trying to "help" others are "doing well by doing good." That is, their motivation is their own self interest.

jimjam wrote:Kinda like the idea that Obese Donald is not a crook because he has been gaming the corrupt system (that you despise unless a particular detail of existing corruption works to your advantage.) with a few hundred lawyers for years?

Whether he's been a crook at one point in his life or another is a separate question from whether he's committed impeachable offenses in office. Lots of people think Trump is unworthy of the office, but that's something for the ballot box. I've never thought of Trump as a paragon of virtue. I generally do not look at politicians that way.

jimjam wrote:Trump’s actions have been even more egregious, William Weld argues, because they invited foreign interference in American democracy and, in his view, are tantamount to treason.

William Weld doesn't even think that himself. He just thinks other people believe this and it will somehow jumpstart his pointless campaign.

jimjam wrote:Weld said: “The one thing that strikes me most vividly is political and it’s that the president is hanging the members of his own party out to dry in forcing them to go through the draining, even exhausting effort of defending him.

It's defending him that keeps them alive politically. It's exhausting, because they don't really like him and they don't like having to work hard.

Godstud wrote:Everyone contributes, so that everyone can benefit, even the ones who are incapable of doing so.

I'm sure you can explain how you can contribute if you are incapable of doing so... :roll:

Godstud wrote:I suppose you're one of those people who screams at babies for being lazy and lying around, not contributing to society?

They aren't too productive, but they don't get to vote. We have a lot of people with similar output of new born babes and they do get to vote. If you can't pay taxes, you shouldn't get to vote. Turn the American revolution on its head! No representation without taxation!
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