annatar1914 wrote:[usermention=41202]
1) @late[/usermention] , I will keep my answers brief because as a typical Liberal Bourgeoisie Capitalist I know that you will be incapable of replying in good faith, but here I go anyway;
2) Wrong. You misunderstood me
3) People that talk like this are insane.
4) The ''Magnitsky Act'' is a Obama era law that only was created to cover up financial misdeeds by US/Russian businessmen, by blackwashing Russia's government.
5) People that say Putin is a Dictator have never been to Russia, the idea is frankly deranged.
6) Yet. Just wait.
7)But fact is that it was the increasing urge to adopt Capitalism and loot the former Soviet Union that caused it's collapse. Ask people that were there, who lived during that period. It was a mass fire-sale of resources and monitization of flight capital looted from the people. 8 to 10 million people starved to death in the 1990's, so fuck your white wash of this fascistic banditry.
The aggression was mutual. For example Soviet Union put missiles in Cuba in response to US missiles in Turkey. US threatened nuclear war over Missiles in Cuba and they were withdrawn, while the US Missiles in Turkey remained.
9) Point being, just saying ''behind Italy'' without context means nothing.
10) Russia came up from basically nothing by 2000 AD, after a century of wars and revolution and millions dead-those 27.6 million deaths in the Great Patriotic War I alluded to, and a decade perched on the very abyss under Yeltsin's misrule. President Putin has worked hard to bring Russia forwards, and this, this reason only, is why he is hated. Because Russia's existence and possibility of rebirth is hated.
1) Project much?
2) We were saying the same thing with different language.
3) So call me crazy. Putin was KGB, he still thinks like KGB.
4)"In 2009, Russian tax accountant Sergei Magnitsky died in a Moscow prison after investigating a $230 million fraud involving Russian tax officials.."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnitsky_Act So we force him to kill. And poison. And throw people out of 4th story windows, and make people disappear...
5) "Experts do not generally consider Russia to be a democracy, citing purges and jailing of political opponents, curtailed press freedom, and the lack of free and fair elections.[17][18][19][20][21] Russia has scored poorly in Transparency International's Corruption Perceptions Index and experienced democratic backsliding according to both the Economist Intelligence Unit's Democracy Index and Freedom House's Freedom in the World index (including a record low 20/100 rating in the 2017 Freedom in the World report, a rating not given since the time of the Soviet Union). Human rights organizations and activists have accused Putin of persecuting political critics and activists, as well as ordering them tortured or assassinated.."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin6) I don't disagree, but then I am a bit of a pessimist.
7) I see that a lot. It's wildly inaccurate.
a) The ruble was nonconvertible. That means foreign trade was barter. That's just stupid. Barter is quite inefficient.
b) A command economy simply doesn't work over the long run. It worked when they had a simple economy. But as they developed into an industrial power, things started going wrong. In a market economy, millions of decisions are made that make millions of micro-adjustments. In a command economy, you get thousands of decisions. No bureaucracy could keep up. Even with supercomputers, a command economy wouldn't work, because it's not just processing power, there is also problems with information flow.
c) The other part of this is much simpler. Capitalism requires capital. Any country creating a market economy has to build up capital. This is usually ugly. The novels of Charles Dickens are about this, but the reality was much worse than anything he could have published. But, if you go through it, you wind up living like they do in Norway or France.
That is true. We were in a better position, and took advantage of it. But what we're talking about is the Russian perception that being nice to countries like Ukraine is aggression. That's both Russian paranoia, and Putin wanting to put the empire back together.
9) Incorrect, it means Russia has an economy the size of Italy. Like Italy, it's not especially healthy. We were talking about capital? Putin is sucking it down trying to put the empire back together. Look at history, revanchists are losers.
10) Love the paranoia. After the USSR died, the West spent hundreds of millions trying to develop Russia. It didn't work because we needed to spend a lot more. Like the Marshall Plan.
The bottom line is that we didn't spend millions and send thousands of people because we hated Russia.
We still don't. But we'd be happier if Putin would play nice for a change.