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Bloomberg wants a brokered convention where he can buy enough votes to basically steal the nomination. Problem is, millions of Dems simply won't vote for a Republican.

We would lose.

Nobody has talked about Grenell. He's going to be acting DNI.

He did that because the guy we have now told the truth. Russia is not going to just attack the election, they are also going to screw with the Dem primaries. That's what Trump does every day, although most of it doesn't make the news. He wants Russia to f*ck us up because it's good for him.

DNI is one of the top 5 slots in the White House. He speaks for the intelligence community, but his job is to create a working relationship with politicians and the intel community.

It's a genuinely tough job. Grenell isn't even a hack. He's a troll. He has no intel experience. Even worse, as ambassador he was willing to subvert the interests of the country for Trump. As DNI he's a ticking time bomb. He's a disaster looking for a place to happen, and he just found his place.

A president is supposed to run his guys through Congress. But anyone that can get through Congress Trump would fire. So now he replaces one temp with another, nearly all of them corrupt hacks. Trump keeps finding new ways to subvert the Constitution. Hiring hacks and keeping Congress from doing it's constitutionally mandated duty is another one.

Trump is a monkey with a hand grenade. Over a hundred years ago, TR set aside parts of the country so future generations would have them. That's disappearing. Teddy also started protecting our food and drugs from things that could harm or kill us. To give you some perspective, the FDA is stuck in the 1970s. Europe and Japan have gotten better since then. We are getting worse.

Teddy also knew, all those years ago, that monopolies (which is too much power concentrated in too few hands) was something we need to fight. Trump is making life easier for those guys. We're getting close to having a class of royalty. Not really what you'd call democratic.
#15068797
I'm European, but between Sanders and Trump I would vote for Trump. I just don't want a socialist to be US president. But if it was traditional corporate democrat against Trump, I would compromise and vote for the corporate democrat - to protect democracy from Trump. Sanders vs Trump is the ideal case for Russia as it doesn't care who wins - both are kind of Russian agents. First with his disruptive socialist agenda and second with his scandalous behavior with authoritarian manners. Current situation could be stabilized for one term with a candidate nobody will be happy with like Bloomberg. Don't expect Republicans to compromise if Democrats are not willing to do it either. After one term both Trump and Sanders will be gone and situation will be more stabilized, hopefully without current political conflicts.
#15068799
The problem with Sanders or Warren is that they will only encourage the pendulum to swing harder and harder between left and right. Sanders and Warren have basically already committed to NOT compromising on anything, which will only push the right to pull harder on their side. This will only serve to push us into these 4-8 year cycles of relatively hard left, and hard right policies and governments. This isn't good.

I think it's better for America to have someone that is more moderate to try and stem this polarization that's happen. Hence, I would argue, Bloomberg to Buttigiegtfggtgtgttgg (however you spell that name) would be better for the long term cultural and political stability of America. It would also be better for business and the economy too.
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fokker wrote:
I'm European, but between Sanders and Trump I would vote for Trump. I just don't want a socialist to be US president. But if it was traditional corporate democrat against Trump, I would compromise and vote for the corporate democrat - to protect democracy from Trump. Sanders vs Trump is the ideal case for Russia as it doesn't care who wins - both are kind of Russian agents. First with his disruptive socialist agenda and second with his scandalous behavior with authoritarian manners. Current situation could be stabilized for one term with a candidate nobody will be happy with like Bloomberg. Don't expect Republicans to compromise if Democrats are not willing to do it either. After one term both Trump and Sanders will be gone and situation will be more stabilized, hopefully without current political conflicts.



Socialism here means they want national health care and good schools.

Even if Sanders wins, he won't get most of what he wants. The Senate is controlled by Republicans, and they stopped doing their jobs a long time ago.

So while Trump is a Russian agent, Sanders is not. He might get to tweak Obamacare a little, and reverse some of the crazy stuff Trump has been doing. But by Europeans standards that's a long ways from Socialism.
#15068811
Rancid wrote:
The problem with Sanders or Warren is that they will only encourage the pendulum to swing harder and harder between left and right. Sanders and Warren have basically already committed to NOT compromising on anything, which will only push the right to pull harder on their side. This will only serve to push us into these 4-8 year cycles of relatively hard left, and hard right policies and governments. This isn't good.

I think it's better for America to have someone that is more moderate to try and stem this polarization that's happen. Hence, I would argue, Bloomberg to Buttigiegtfggtgtgttgg (however you spell that name) would be better for the long term cultural and political stability of America. It would also be better for business and the economy too.



A lot of what Warren and Sanders want to do are things TR, Teddy Roosevelt, did a hundred years ago.

Don't buy the BS.
#15068823
late wrote:Socialism here means they want national health care and good schools.

Even if Sanders wins, he won't get most of what he wants. The Senate is controlled by Republicans, and they stopped doing their jobs a long time ago.

So while Trump is a Russian agent, Sanders is not. He might get to tweak Obamacare a little, and reverse some of the crazy stuff Trump has been doing. But by Europeans standards that's a long ways from Socialism.


They are both Russian payback for destruction of Soviet Union. Putin must be enjoying these US elections.

It doesn't matter what policies Sanders manages to implement, he is simply too far left for many Americans. Don't trust polls, they were wrong last time too. Sanders is a dream and you need to let it go for now.

Those Bernie Sanders supporters who can't make compromises should just come over here to Europe, we have what you want.
#15068828
fokker wrote:
They are both Russian payback

for destruction of Soviet Union.

Putin must be enjoying these US elections.

It doesn't matter what policies Sanders manages to implement, he is simply too far left for many Americans.

Don't trust polls, they were wrong last time too.

Sanders is a dream and you need to let it go for now.





Trump yes, Sanders no. There is a ton of evidence tying Putin to Trump, and vice versa.

The economy of the USSR collapsed. It would have died a few years later even if we had done nothing.

Putin won the lottery. Making an operative president could never have happened if Republicans hadn't already completely corrupted and degraded themselves.

The polls saw that Hillary was going to get more votes. What they didn't see was how a sophisticated propaganda campaign targeting fools could use the Electoral College to cheat a win.

Sanders is little different from presidents we had a hundred years ago. A presidential election is always a referendum. Do you want change or do you want to stay the same. If they want change, they always vote the other guy. In any case, the candidate I am supporting is Liz Warren.
#15068836
late wrote:A lot of what Warren and Sanders want to do are things TR, Teddy Roosevelt, did a hundred years ago.

Don't buy the BS.


I think it's a mistake to draw the parallel as the structure of the global economy and culture of America are totally different today. Warren/Sanders would most certainly increase polarization in America. Why would you think otherwise?
#15068840
Rancid wrote:
I think it's a mistake to draw the parallel as the structure of the global economy and culture of America are totally different today.

Warren/Sanders would most certainly increase polarization in America. Why would you think otherwise?



TR and FDR got the FDA going, added social programs and worked on infrastructure.

We still need those things.

The reality is they'd be lucky to be able to fix part of the rape Trump is doing to America.

We're already polarised... you are making a distinction without a difference.
#15068973
late wrote:Trump yes, Sanders no. There is a ton of evidence tying Putin to Trump, and vice versa.


Both of them are Putin's favorites. Sanders would significantly reduce the size of US armed forces to finance his agenda and this means reduce influence of US in the world - Putin's dream. We need one country in the world with powerful armed forces and that is US. Americans supporting Bernie Sanders are underestimating this necessity greatly. Weakness invites dictatorships to attack democracies to strengthen their power. It does not increase security. It is very important at this point for Americans to be united. That cannot happen under Trump or Sanders.

late wrote:We're already polarised... you are making a distinction without a difference.

It can be undone, if people understand a compromise needs to be made. It's not normal for two political groups to hate each other like in US. It's important to have friends in both groups, talk and try to understand each other. There are good reasons some people want Sanders and others Trump. Sticking to one's dreams at all cost only leads to more escalation as people's dreams seem to be so different these times.
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fokker wrote:
Both of them are Putin's favorites. Sanders would significantly reduce the size of US armed forces to finance his agenda and this means reduce influence of US in the world - Putin's dream. We need one country in the world with powerful armed forces and that is US. Americans supporting Bernie Sanders are underestimating this necessity greatly. Weakness invites dictatorships to attack democracies to strengthen their power. It does not increase security. It is very important at this point for Americans to be united. That cannot happen under Trump or Sanders.


It can be undone, if people understand a compromise needs to be made. It's not normal for two political groups to hate each other like in US. It's important to have friends in both groups, talk and try to understand each other. There are good reasons some people want Sanders and others Trump. Sticking to one's dreams at all cost only leads to more escalation as people's dreams seem to be so different these times.



Baloney.

Putin has Trump in his pocket. He is all in for Trump. Any Dem that wins is going to want some f***ing serious payback...

That reconciliation you are talking about would have to be between Democrats and Republicans. Problem is, Republicans have lost it.

The civil war in the Dem party is old, it goes back to at least 1968. It won't end until the party stops shutting Progressives out of power. I don't think the DINOs are capable of compromise, which reduces the situation to a simple problem with an equally simple solution.
#15068986
late wrote:That reconciliation you are talking about would have to be between Democrats and Republicans. Problem is, Republicans have lost it.


I'm sure they will claim the same. Reconciliation has to come from people, bottom up. People believe their political ideas will win when they stick to them at all cost but in reality polarization is the only result. To us Europeans it looks like you have a perpetual political American civil war going on. It amazes me, as in Europe we don't have this. You seriously need to visit us :) .
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fokker wrote:
I'm sure they will claim the same. Reconciliation has to come from people, bottom up. People believe their political ideas will win when they stick to them at all cost but in reality polarization is the only result. To us Europeans it looks like you have a perpetual political American civil war going on. It amazes me, as in Europe we don't have this. You seriously need to visit us.



I have spent over 6 months in Europe. Loved it.

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