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If you read the statement, it suggests that by the time you read this, leaders of AntiFA cells may have already been arrested.

There's a ton of drama on Twitter with both real and fake AntiFA accounts. Some have been shut down.

There's also this:


Joe Biden staffers have been paying bail for AntiFA members. I wonder how Joe will deal with this dilemma? I highly doubt it's popular with most Americans to pay bail for people arrested during protests, riots or looting. If Slow Joe doesn't fire them, it will look like he's supporting these actions. But there is a significant nexus between AntiFA and Bernie Bros. Biden needs Bernie Bros to win. If Biden refuses to allow people to come to their aide when they're in prison, he probably won't get those votes. Doesn't look so good for him. He's also going to have to weigh in on the terrorist group designation at some point, yet he might want to clear up the bail issue first.

The legacy media is already rushing to defend AntiFA, whom they've tried to portray in a positive light for years. I personally don't think they will win on this one because there is likely going to be a lot of evidence gathered by the DoJ insofar as charges are brought.
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Politics_Observer wrote:Legally, from what experts have been saying, Trump DOESN'T have the legal authority or power to legally declare AntiFA a terrorist organization from what I have been reading in the news.


Pretty much. It would basically be an executive order saying that you will be considered a terrorist if you are even remotely involved in anti-racist activism. It won't hold up anywhere.
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Pants-of-dog wrote:I oppose fascism.

I support the opposition to fascism.

I think there are many times when fascism should be opposed with violence.

Am I now a terrorist?


Pants, I read the writing on the wall early on in 2016 when Trump won. I thought fascist police state is not far off now. i need to book on out of the USA ASAP. In 2017 I would have done it but ran into a big problem and was't able to settle it til January of 2019. Once that problem was out of the way? I was out of there. Another problem with my husband's passport and he is stuck. Denver had looting and riots too. He stayed home to be safe.

The USA is breaking down in terms of the tolerance for what the state is doing for people who lost their livelihoods and find themselves on the edge of evictions or homelessness untess they find work within a year or less. The $2000 a month barely covers the average rent in Denver nowadays. it has become very expensive.

The Republicans don't want to pay people to stay at home. They want the working class to risk dying and being infected with CoVid-19 while the wealthy get tax cuts and bailouts in the trillion or more ranges.

Estan bien pendejos los republicanos. iMHO, they need to extend unemployment benefits and start bailing out small businesses and regular folk that are not able to work because the restaurant, hotel, construction, etc business is dead in the water.

Trump is capable of calling for some Right Wing racist armed people to go and start shooting looters and protesters and start a damn civil race war in the USA. He is a damn problem. People need to vote against Trump big time in November.
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Pants-of-dog wrote:I oppose fascism.

I support the opposition to fascism.

I think there are many times when fascism should be opposed with violence.

Am I now a terrorist?


POD, I assume you are aware Mussolini was a socialist. And that the term NAZI means "National Socialist German Workers' Party". Fascism implies nationalism, but the two best well known fascists were socialists. The NAZIs sometimes called each other comrade. BTW, nationalism is also huge in Cuba. Have you heard of "La Cubanidad"?

The problem with you guys is the tendency to use the term racism and fascism at the drop of a hat to describe anyone that disagrees with the extreme LEFT position. There is no opportunity for discussion. The conversation immediately goes to "you are a racist or a fascist".

BTW, I am certain that Lenin, Stalin, MAO, Pol Pot, Hitler, Mussolini, etc did not see themselves as terrorists.
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Pants-of-dog wrote:Fascism is an inherently violent ideology.

Because of this, violence against fascists is often required.

Am I a terrorist?

You can't ban an ideology. But you can ban a group of people who are organized for a common purpose such as attacking US Government and assassinating politicians. Latter one can be identified.

If your thoughts become a violent action, then you can be considered as a terrorist depending your crime.
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Julian658 wrote:POD, I assume you are aware Mussolini was a socialist.


Do you mean that he was one before he became a fascist? if so, who cares?

And that the term NAZI means "National Socialist German Workers' Party".


Who cares?

Fascism implies nationalism, but the two best well known fascists were socialists.


Neither the Nazis nor the Fascists were socialists.

The NAZIs sometimes called each other comrade. BTW, nationalism is also huge in Cuba. Have you heard of "La Cubanidad"?


Who cares?

The problem with you guys is the tendency to use the term racism and fascism at the drop of a hat to describe anyone that disagrees with the extreme LEFT position. There is no opportunity for discussion. The conversation immediately goes to "you are a racist or a fascist".


The problem with you guys is the tendency to cry and whine whenever someone correctly describes your position using the term racism and fascism. There is no opportunity for discussion. The conversation immediately goes to "you called me a racist or a fascist, boohoo".

Even when no one did.

Like now.

BTW, I am certain that Lenin, Stalin, MAO, Pol Pot, Hitler, Mussolini, etc did not see themselves as terrorists.


Who cares?

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Istanbuller wrote:You can't ban an ideology.


Trump is certainly trying.

But you can ban a group of people who are organized for a common purpose such as attacking US Government and assassinating politicians. Latter one can be identified.

If your thoughts become a violent action, then you can be considered as a terrorist depending your crime.


So antifa is not a terrorist group, then, but right wing anti-government extremists are. Thanks!
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Julian658 wrote:POD, I assume you are aware Mussolini was a socialist. And that the term NAZI means "National Socialist German Workers' Party". Fascism implies nationalism, but the two best well known fascists were socialists.


They were simply liars who appropriated leftist terms in order to appeal to the industrial working class.

Similarly the first people to call themselves libertarians were Spanish communists before American conservatives stole the word from the left.

Politically and historically ignorant Americans play into it in order to silence and stave off any mainstream discourse on socialism whatsoever.

The problem with you guys is the tendency to use the term racism and fascism at the drop of a hat to describe anyone that disagrees with the extreme LEFT position. There is no opportunity for discussion. The conversation immediately goes to "you are a racist or a fascist".


Stop pretending that it's only the left that is trying to move the overton window. Does anyone remember the "compassionate conservatism" of the George W. Bush era, when the GOP was trying to modernize and become more cosmopolitan and attractive to Hispanic and black voters? :lol: Now the Republican Party is the party of building walls and security barriers, deporting immigrants, Muslim-baiting, supporting racist cops, etc.
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Pants-of-dog wrote:Fascism is an inherently violent ideology.

Because of this, violence against fascists is often required.

Am I a terrorist?


I would say yes.

Violence by civilian non-state actors is only justified if 1) it is in self-defense of violence that is occurring or is imminent, or 2) democracy is absent or has broken down to such a point that voting will not change election results, and revolution is required to restore it.

If neither isn't the case, you're a terrorist. If a fascist attacks you on the street, you can fight back to defend yourself. If your government is fascist and got there without election and can't be removed via election, violence can be used to restore the will of the people.

Violence should always be a last resort.
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Unthinking Majority wrote:I would say yes.

Violence by civilian non-state actors is only justified if 1) it is in self-defense of violence that is occurring or is imminent, or 2) democracy is absent or has broken down to such a point that voting will not change election results, and revolution is required to restore it.


I am almost certain this is not true.

Those white guys that took over a national park were violent, and the only one who got charged was the one who actually shot a cop.

There are also certain laws in the US that allow (white) civilians to kill other people just because they feel scared.

If neither isn't the case, you're a terrorist. If a fascist attacks you on the street, you can fight back to defend yourself. If your government is fascist and got there without election and can't be removed via election, violence can be used to restore the will of the people.

Violence should always be a last resort.


Then violence is an option for fighting fascism.
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Unthinking Majority wrote:I would say yes.

Violence by civilian non-state actors is only justified if 1) it is in self-defense of violence that is occurring or is imminent, or 2) democracy is absent or has broken down to such a point that voting will not change election results, and revolution is required to restore it.

If neither isn't the case, you're a terrorist. If a fascist attacks you on the street, you can fight back to defend yourself. If your government is fascist and got there without election and can't be removed via election, violence can be used to restore the will of the people.

Violence should always be a last resort.


Cringe take. Preemptive violence against fascists *is* defensive, particularly on the part of POC and those who belong to groups that fascists would attempt to exterminate if they gained power.
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Several groups led by Antifa (Anti-Fascist Action) Sacramento and BAMN (By Any Means Necessary) attacked white nationalist groups at a rally and counter-rally held on June 26, 2016 outside the California State Capitol in Sacramento. Ten people were hospitalized for stabbing and laceration wounds with the majority being the left-wing counter-protesters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Sacramento_riot

So, yes, there are organized Antifa groups and they have attacked people, although in that Sacramento incident they came out on the losing end.
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