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Here's What We Know So Far About Russia's 2016 Meddling
U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded that Russia did not alter actual votes during the 2016 election. But Russians did target voter registration systems or state websites in at least 21 states before Election Day, fully accessed some states’ systems and stole hundreds of thousands of voters’ personal information.

The FBI alerted states to the threat about two months before the 2016 election when hackers accessed voter registration databases in Illinois and Arizona. Then in January 2017, the government issued its first report on election interference and blamed Russia for the hacks. However, DHS did not tell top state officials that their systems were scanned by hackers until nearly a year after the election.

In July of 2018, Mueller indicted 12 Russian nationals for their part in allegedly hacking into U.S. election systems.The prosecutors offered up more details, including saying that hackers stole information on 500,000 voters from an unnamed state’s website, including names, addresses, partial Social Security numbers, dates of birth and driver’s license numbers. Russians then visited the websites of counties in Georgia, Iowa and Florida, according to the indictment. The hackers also penetrated a voter registration software vendor, according to the indictment, and posed as the company sending malicious emails to several Florida election administrators.

In addition to all this, the Senate Intelligence Committee’s report said that in a small number of states, Russians “were able to gain access to restricted elements of election infrastructure” and “were in a position to, at a minimum, alter or delete voter registration data.”

https://time.com/5565991/russia-influen ... -election/

It's not fiction or even supposition. It's fact.
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Godstud wrote:It's not fiction or even supposition. It's fact.

The government would have you believe they have super secret methods that they don't want to disclose, which is why they dropped their charges against Concord Management.

Justice Department drops Mueller charges against Russian firm
Federal prosecutors said in a court filing that pursuing the case could expose American law-enforcement methods they’d prefer to keep under wraps.

“The risk of exposure to law enforcement’s tools and techniques, and the post-indictment change in the proof available at trial, the balance of equities has shifted,” they wrote. “It is no longer in the best interests of justice or the country’s national security to continue this prosecution.”

Russia! Russia! Russia!
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blackjack21 wrote:The government would have you believe they have super secret methods that they don't want to disclose, which is why they dropped their charges against Concord Management.

Justice Department drops Mueller charges against Russian firm

Russia! Russia! Russia!

As I understand it, all that the Russians did was to post on social media. There was no proof of any Russian hacking into the DNC server. That appears to be an inside job by someone that downloaded information by USB flash drive that found its way to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange or Guccifer 2.0. Julian Assange would never identify the individual, but did say he did not get it from the Russians. Apparently the individual was unhappy with the corruption in the DNC and decided to do what he did to expose it without facing repercussions for his action.

Exposing Russia’s Effort to Sow Discord Online
https://intelligence.house.gov/social-media-content/

New evidence shows DNC server files were downloaded directly to USB drive, not hacked by Russians
https://theduran.com/new-evidence-shows ... -russians/
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Burr Statement on Senate Intel Committee’s Fifth and Final Report in Bipartisan Russia Investigation
Today, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence released the fifth and final volume in the Committee’s bipartisan investigation into Russia’s attempts to interfere with the 2016 U.S. elections. The final chapter, titled “Counterintelligence Threats and Vulnerabilities,” presents the Committee’s complete counterintelligence findings and recommendations after an extensive, three-year examination. Senator Richard Burr (R-NC), who as Chairman oversaw the Committee’s investigation, released the following statement:

“When this investigation began three years ago, Vice Chairman Warner and I agreed that the Senate Intelligence Committee’s core responsibility would be to follow the facts wherever they might lead. Throughout this process, Committee investigators have upheld their mission. They have gone to extraordinary and occasionally unexpected lengths in their pursuit of the facts in order to present these findings to the American people. I’m grateful for the hard work, dedication, and integrity these men and women have demonstrated from start to finish.

“Thanks to the bipartisan work of the Senate Intelligence Committee, we are now much more aware of potential threats to our democratic institutions and have taken meaningful steps since 2016 to address them. State and federal officials began coordinating their efforts to better secure our election infrastructure. Congress provided increased election security funding for states to shore up existing vulnerabilities. Social media companies are now working with the federal government, Congress, and the Intelligence Community to identify and remove foreign disinformation campaigns. And this Administration has enacted tougher sanctions against hostile foreign actors seeking to interfere with U.S. elections.

One of the Committee’s most important – and overlooked – findings is that much of Russia’s activities weren’t related to producing a specific electoral outcome, but attempted to undermine our faith in the democratic process itself. Their aim is to sow chaos, discord, and distrust. Their efforts are not limited to elections. The threat is ongoing. My hope is that this report and the Committee’s work will provide the American people with more insight into the threats facing our nation and the steps necessary to stop them.”

https://www.burr.senate.gov/press/relea ... UQxaWdDKs8
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Russia, Russia, Russia. "Wolf" again cries the dismal Democrats that desperately attempt to destroy President Trump's reelection. "Wolf" again after Brain dead Biden's choice for VP is the Shifty, Skanky, Kamalla. The Democrats have no toes left on either foot. They cannot stand on any platform that helps America's taxpaying legal citizens. They want to tax the US citizens to death for money, and give America's prosperity away to foreign interests for money. The Democrats are the Party of Greed. The endless attacks on President Trump are ludicrous and or ridicules. The President of the United States is a very Powerful position. The man can either Make or Break America. The American economy and America's military might are truly better off with President Trump's leadership as compared to the 8 years of the Hawaiian Muslim slumlord pimp's dismal soy bean economy. President Trump's economy has found his magic wand and he should use it to make Biden and the defective democrats disappear. Hey sleepy Joe, Corn Pop wants to know a little more about crack headed Hunter and the Chinese. Never vote for an Antifa Loving, BLM Supporting, Police Defunding, Brain Dead Chinese sellout, Leftist Democrat this Century.
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Imagine being so devoid of ideas and accomplishments that you have to hold up something totally implausible for years just to look coherent.
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I think he will win the election with little meddling/fraud. Also, I don't think us pofoers are in danger if Trump wins. We're small fish, they will go after so many other people before anyone here. Thus, you will have plenty of warning if the shit ever really does hit the fan.

Further, I would heed the advice @Drlee has given on your kids, you should raise them to set themselves up with the resources they need to leave this country. That is, get an education, get into a profession that earns well, and managed you finances like social security doesn't exist (that's what I do now). Thus, you will be in a better position to leave to another country, and take your skills with you so you can thrive there. This is the approach I'm taking, and this is what I'm teaching my kids. In fact, to aid in my kid's ability to do this, once they are out of college and established financially, I intend to sell my house and live in a small 1 bed room apartment with the wife. This way, we too are very mobile for anything. Also one of our retirement plans is to live in a different city 1-3 years, and move to the next (hence the small one bed room idea). So that plan lines up well with my retirement goals.

All of that said, at this point in time, even with Trump, I do not believe I will need to leave the US. Nonetheless, it's a good idea to set yourself up so that you can be mobile and adaptable.

If the nation stops being loyal to me, then I will stop being loyal to it. That's the deal this country was founded on. The funny thing is, this statement, if said by a white person, would get a lot of praise "Yea, that's right brother." However, coming from me (non-white), I'm sure I'd be labeled an ungrateful leech. :lol:
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Rancid wrote:If the nation stops being loyal to me, then I will stop being loyal to it.


This applies to any country.

In fact, any country which pushes its people to be loyal to it in a hard way must be itself not worth such loyalty and, in some extreme cases, may even deserve disestablishment.
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Patrickov wrote:
This applies to any country.

The illegal mandates and tax penalties of the Hawaiian Muslim Slumlord Globalist Pimp Wannabe's time as President of America along with the Democrat apology tour that allowed America's economy to be raped repeatedly by foreign Nations as Democrats and corporations attempted to corral and cut America's financial hamstrings. America's taxpaying legal American citizens will not accept socialism. Sure some would love a handout when it is needed, but a true American has a can do attitude that will never be oppressed or repressed by any Communist. The world got close to eliminating America as a global power and if crooked Hillary had made it into the White House the deep state cover ups would never be uncovered. The pathetic Bias Media is a communist tool and needs to be held accountable for the it's one sided persuasiveness against President Trump's agenda that actually makes and Keeps America great for it's taxpaying legal citizens. Never Vote for an Antifa Loving, BLM Supporting, Police Defunding, Brain Dead, Biden -Harris, Leftist Democrat this Century. Illegals still Suck!

In fact, any country which pushes its people to be loyal to it in a hard way must be itself not worth such loyalty and, in some extreme cases, may even deserve disestablishment.
Patrickov wrote:
This applies to any country.

In fact, any country which pushes its people to be loyal to it in a hard way must be itself not worth such loyalty and, in some extreme cases, may even deserve disestablishment.
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Chad wrote:The illegal mandates and tax penalties of the Hawaiian Muslim Slumlord Globalist Pimp Wannabe's time as President of America along with the Democrat apology tour that allowed America's economy to be raped repeatedly by foreign Nations as Democrats and corporations attempted to corral and cut America's financial hamstrings.

America's taxpaying legal American citizens will not accept socialism. Sure some would love a handout when it is needed, but a true American has a can do attitude that will never be oppressed or repressed by any Communist.

The world got close to eliminating America as a global power and if crooked Hillary had made it into the White House the deep state cover ups would never be uncovered. The pathetic Bias Media is a communist tool and needs to be held accountable for the it's one sided persuasiveness against President Trump's agenda that actually makes and Keeps America great for it's taxpaying legal citizens.

Never Vote for an Antifa Loving, BLM Supporting, Police Defunding, Brain Dead, Biden -Harris, Leftist Democrat this Century. Illegals still Suck!


While I agree that no one should let himself or herself by oppressed by Communists, and that being "reasonable" like Democrats probably does not help matters nowadays, your criticism of Obama, Biden and the Democrat "deep state" seem mostly emotional opinions.

Although I could have stayed silent had you not put the above statement in my quote, making it look like I had said it.
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