[Oxymoron]

@Oxymoron

I am discussing the first killing: the death of Rosenbaum.

Answer the question, when did this killing happen in relationship to the first shooting?

[Pants-of-dog]

Answer the question, when did this killing happen in relationship to the first shooting?

It is the first shooting.

[Oxymoron]

It is the first shooting.

Then your own link shows that your view of things is wrong.

[Pants-of-dog]

Then your own link shows that your view of things is wrong.

How?

[ingliz]

@Oxymoron

Citizen's arrest...

Rosenbaum's, Huber's, and Grosskreutz's attempts to disarm and arrest Rittenhouse were lawful.

Wisconsin's common law provisions allow a citizen to use reasonable force (Rosenbaum's plastic bag, Grosskreutz's pistol) when arresting a person when the citizen has probable cause to believe that person has committed a felony (intentional homicide) or misdemeanor (illegal possession of a firearm).

[Doug64]

@Oxymoron

Citizen's arrest...

Rosenbaum's, Huber's, and Grosskreutz's attempts to arrest Rittenhouse were lawful.

Wisconsin's common law provisions allows a citizen to use reasonable force (Rosenbaum's plastic bag, Grosskreutz's pistol) when arresting a person when the citizen has probable cause to believe that person has committed a felony (intentional homicide) or misdemeanor (illegal possession of a firearm).

One, what reason would they have to think Rittenhouse was in illegal possession of a firearm? Two, is there a single witness that has claimed any of Rittenhouse’s attackers were trying to make an arrest? And three, why would we believe such claims from the thugs helping destroy Kenosha—or at least a good-sized chunk of it—anyway?

[ingliz]

Why...?

Because he only looked around 12 years old and appeared not to know how to handle the weapon safely (According to McGinnis).

[skinster]

White supremacist Rittenhouse appears to have a lawyer more fash-y than him.


Some people think this guy is a hero.

[Pants-of-dog]

@Oxymoron

You meant “you’re”.

And since you cannot support your claim, I will now ignore it.

[Oxymoron]

@Oxymoron

Citizen's arrest...

Rosenbaum's, Huber's, and Grosskreutz's attempts to disarm and arrest Rittenhouse were lawful.

Wisconsin's common law provisions allow a citizen to use reasonable force (Rosenbaum's plastic bag, Grosskreutz's pistol) when arresting a person when the citizen has probable cause to believe that person has committed a felony (intentional homicide) or misdemeanor (illegal possession of a firearm).

court will have to figure it out then...I doubt it will be on the side of "vigilantes" on either side. My idea is that he will be found guilt of a lower crime as a plea deal, or if he wants to prove a point he will take it to court... No way a Jury will find him guilty of murder... that is an absolutely idiotic charge here. Same way the Cop involved with Flyod will be found innocent, because the charges were designed to play to the Mob not get a conviction.

[Rancid]

This will not start a civil war because life is still pretty good and conformable for a large enough number of people in America.

[Unthinking Majority]

This will not start a civil war because life is still pretty good and conformable for a large enough number of people in America.

Except the US unemployment rate, which is still higher than the 2008 recession and was at an all-time high in April, and the overall economy being shitty.

[Pants-of-dog]

Yes, the economy overall is not good, but there is no economic schism in the US that would create a civil war.

For example, the last civil war in the USA was fought partly because the south was going to lose their slave based economy. The conservatives clamouring for a civil war today do not have the same economic prognosis.

[Rancid]

Except the US unemployment rate, which is still higher than the 2008 recession and was at an all-time high in April, and the overall economy being shitty.

yes, but at least some/many of these jobs will come back, so we have to wait until we get passed COVID to see what the sustained unemployment rate. If many of those jobs don't come back, then yes, we might have a problem, if most of those jobs do come back even at lower wages.... then no issues.

In short, too early to tell. However, my guess is, even though COVID will cause the wealth gap to get even bigger, it's still won't be big enough. I think things still have to get worse. Even though many are past their breaking point, not enough of us are near the breaking point.

Ultimately, I just see the US becoming much like Latin American countries. We won't see a revolution, we'll just have a small upper/middle class with a lot of mostly poor people just trying to get by day to day. The upper classes will hold power, lie and trick the poor to maintain their power. Pretty simple

[Oxymoron]

This will not start a civil war because life is still pretty good and conformable for a large enough number of people in America.

They said the same thing about WW1. All it takes is a large enough minority of losers...

[Doug64]

Because he only looked around 12 years old and appeared not to know how to handle the weapon safely (According to McGinnis).

I note you only dealt with one of my three questions, with a single witness only peripherally involved.

[Rancid]

They said the same thing about WW1. All it takes is a large enough minority of losers...

It's all good. Don't worry about it!

[Unthinking Majority]

Yes, the economy overall is not good, but there is no economic schism in the US that would create a civil war.

For example, the last civil war in the USA was fought partly because the south was going to lose their slave based economy. The conservatives clamouring for a civil war today do not have the same economic prognosis.

If there was a civil war i don't think it would be fought on economic, but rather identity politics.

We saw it in Charlottesville and the recent riots.

[Pants-of-dog]

If there was a civil war i don't think it would be fought on economic, but rather identity politics.

We saw it in Charlottesville and the recent riots.

People do not go to war over whether or not they use PC language.

[Unthinking Majority]

People do not go to war over whether or not they use PC language.

These riots and Charlottesville aren't about PC language. A ton of civil wars start over identity politics. Most countries who succeed and become independent do it for identity politics. But I'm not saying war will happen in the US. Probably more riots if Trump wins in Nov though.