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PORTLAND, Ore. -- Law enforcement declared an unlawful assembly Friday night after protesters marched through the streets of Portland on to a police building, where officers stood waiting outside.

A few hundred demonstrators had met at Kenton Park before making their way to the Portland Police Association building, where police warned protesters to stay off the streets and private property. Those who refused could be subject to citation, arrest, the use of tear gas, crowd-control agents or impact munitions, police said.

Around midnight, police ran down the street, pushing protesters out of the area, knocking people down and arresting those who they say were not following orders — as some people were being detained, they were pinned to the ground and blood could be seen marking the street pavement.

Demonstrations in Portland, which started in late May after the police killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis, are reaching 100 straight nights of protests that have been marked by vandalism and violence.




PantiFA really hate this Andy Ngo guy but they also think that all Asians look the same, also everyone is wearing a mask, so they can't stop him from thoroughly documenting every time they get their asses kicked. He's documenting their ass beatings with such regularity that many of them actually believe he is some kind of CIA agent who gives marching orders to Trump's murder squads that "disappear" innocent rioters. If only they could tell Asians apart, they could do something about this guy.

As for Portland, rumor is that the Chapoids have been demoralized after they left their hitman to die but you wouldn't know it from the ass kicking they received tonight. Recently, Portland's mayor called for Sheriff agents to come in and support the Portland police (instead of relying on Trump's men) but multiple sheriffs refused to heed the call. Since the green light for the national guard won't come in and the local DA won't press charges in most instances, Trump's administration has instead deputized the Portland police, authorizing them to file federal charges if they so wish. It's so far unclear how that will play out though.
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Seeing how the other threads on the rioting seem to have been overrun by massive posts on irrelevant issues, let's try this one instead.

Police departments shun social justice warriors' sweeping changes: 'Our policies are best practices'

    Police departments say they won’t bow to demands by social justice warriors for sweeping changes to policing protocols that govern the use of force, traffic stops, serving warrants and dealing with subjects who resist arrest.

    A Washington Times survey of police departments across the country and national law enforcement organizations found most opted for slight adjustments to standard operating procedures rather than major overhauls.

    Gina V. Hawkins, the police chief in Fayetteville, North Carolina, said her department has implemented at least 30 changes since Memorial Day, when George Floyd died in the custody of Minneapolis police. But she described the adjustments as “minor tweaks.”

    Chief Hawkins, who is a board member of the National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives, counted among the changes clarifying existing policies on officers’ duty to render aid to a suspect or intervene if they see wrongdoing by another office and reviewing her department’s oath of office.

    “We are accredited because all of our policies are best practices,” she said. “But the importance is reviewing them to check on any legal updates or if anything is out of order.”

    The deaths of Floyd and a handful of other Black people have put new pressure on departments to scale back the use of force, increase transparency and require training on implicit bias and de-escalation.

    Joseph Lukaszek, the police chief in Hillside, Illinois, said his department implemented most of the reformers’ demands years ago.

    “We are receiving pressure for more body cameras, but we were one of the very first departments in Illinois to use cameras,” he said. “We’ve been doing de-escalation training for 25 years, all the way back to when it was called verbal judo.”

    A review of recent announcements of police department policy changes revealed that the new rules are mostly revisions of protocols.

    The Pinellas County Sheriff’s Office in Florida announced last week a ban on no-knock search warrants, but that was merely the formalization of a policy the department adopted eight years ago.

    The Detroit Board of Police Commissioners last week proposed 18 policy revisions to reduce officers’ use of force and emphasize de-escalation tactics. Of the 18 proposals, the Detroit police said, seven were related to existing protocols and three already had been addressed in the department’s established policies.

    Advocates for changes to policing have aggressively pushed for the elimination of chokeholds nationwide, but most police departments banned chokeholds years ago.

    The Los Angeles Police Department banned chokeholds in 1982, and the New York Police Department followed in 1993. Chicago, Houston and Philadelphia police have also banned the practice.

    Daniel Pantaleo, the NYPD officer whose use of chokehold contributed to the death of Eric Garner in 2014, was fired last year because the department had banned the technique.

    “Nobody is doing anything wrong,” said James Pasco, executive director of the National Fraternal Order of Police. “When someone is doing something wrong, they are stepping outside the directives of the department.”

    Chief Hawkins said part of the reason policies are overlooked is the lack of a national system of police standards. She said a uniform set of policies would be critical to ensuring all 18,000 policing forces nationwide know best practices.

    “We can’t make the assumption that law enforcement is the same because there is no national standard,” she said. “That should be an absolute in this field.”

    Lorenzo Boyd, director of the Center for Advanced Policing at the University of New Haven, said police departments cannot be expected to change from within and that overhauls must come from local legislators.

    “We need broad, sweeping wholesale changes, and the problem is we are looking at the police to make the changes,” he said. “We’ve been policing the same way for the past 150 years, and it hasn’t changed through Jim Crow or stop-and-frisk. It is not realistic for us to expect the police to change internally.”

    Any changes to police department policy will be subject to either lax enforcement or outright ignored, he said, because of systemic racism that has defined policing for more than 100 years.

    “Culture eats policy for breakfast,” he said. “It is one thing to say chokeholds are against policy, and police officers are still using chokeholds and people are dying. But it is very different to say chokeholds are against the law and we are going to prosecute you for using them.”

    In the aftermath of Floyd’s death, some local mayors and city councils have taken action.

    Philadelphia has placed a moratorium on the use of tear gas, and the Seattle City Council has banned it altogether. Connecticut Gov. Ned Lamont, a Democrat, signed an executive order in June banning state police from using chokeholds and prohibiting police from buying surplus military-grade equipment from the federal government.

    Legislators in more than 25 states have introduced scores of police overhaul bills, yet only a handful have been signed into law.

    Since Floyd’s death, there have been at least 450 police overhaul measures introduced in 31 states, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. Yet only a handful of the measures have been signed into law.

    In Minnesota, dozens of policing bills had been introduced within a month of Floyd’s death, but none passed before lawmakers ended their legislative session.

    With federal legislation on policing caught in a standoff between the Republican-led Senate and Democratic-controlled House and more than half the country’s state legislatures adjourned until next year, the next option for quick action fell to counties and cities.

    Mr. Boyd said he doesn’t expect any action on any level until next year, when the heated rhetoric of the presidential election has passed.

    Charles P. Wilson, chairman of the National Association of Black Law Enforcement Officers, said departments don’t need to change their policies but rather need to force officers to rethink how they interact with others. He said such overhauls can be done only through implicit bias training and improved community relations.

    “Police need better methodologies on de-escalation,” he said. “It starts with knowing how to talk to people. It is often what you say and how you say it that creates your problem.”

    Mr. Wilson and Mr. Boyd said such changes must begin with recruitment and improved training at police academies on communication and de-escalation.

    “It starts with who you hire,” Mr. Wilson said. “If you are hiring people who have no concept of social interaction or conflict management, you’ve already started your problems. It goes to who and how you train.”
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And another "success" for the BLM movement that the MSM(D) doesn't want you to pay much attention to:

'We hope they die': Protesters at hospital jeer deputies shot in ambush

    Protesters blocked the entrance to the hospital where two Los Angeles sheriff’s deputies were in critical condition after being shot Saturday in an ambush, shouting, “We hope they die,” according to the department.

    The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department described the scene in a late Saturday tweet and warned protesters late Saturday to clear the access to the emergency room at St. Francis Medical Center in Lynwood.

    “To the protesters blocking the entrance & exit of the HOSPITAL EMERGENCY ROOM yelling ‘We hope they die,’ referring to 2 LA Sheriff’s ambushed today in #Compton: DO NOT BLOCK EMERGENCY ENTRIES 7 EXITS TO THE HOSPITAL,” tweeted the department. “People’s lives are at stake when ambulances can’t get through.”

    Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti on Sunday condemned the shooting and called the jeers “abhorrent.”

    “There’s no place in civilized society for anybody to draw an arm and to shoot our law enforcement officers that put their lives on the line,” said Mr. Garcetti on CNN’s “State of the Union.” “I won’t ever let a couple of voices that not only are uncalled for, but it’s abhorrent to say something like that when we have two deputies, two sheriff’s deputies, who are in grave condition.”

    Video of the incident showed a gunman in dark clothing approach the passenger’s side window of the police car and fire directly into the vehicle before running off, a shooting that the sheriff’s department said was “without warning or provocation.”

    The Los Angeles City Council cut $150 million from the $3 billion LAPD budget in July in response to calls from Black Lives Matter protesters to defund the police, bringing staffing to its lowest level since 2008.

    “My thoughts are not just with those two deputies, but with their families and everybody in the Los Angeles sheriff’s office that’s hanging on,” said Mr. Garcetti. “Of course there’s an important conversation going on around policing in this country, but these are folks who put their lives on the line for us, and we will find justice for them.”

Townhall has more details on the actions of the "protesters" at the hospital, including a reporter for NRP.
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Doug64 wrote:Seeing how the other threads on the rioting seem to have been overrun by massive posts on irrelevant issues, let's try this one instead.

Police departments shun social justice warriors' sweeping changes: 'Our policies are best practices'

    Police departments say they won’t bow to demands by social justice warriors for sweeping changes to policing protocols that govern the use of force, traffic stops, serving warrants and dealing with subjects who resist arrest.
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This does not surprise me.

Of course cops do not want to admit that they are at fault.

Cops in the US kill more people per capita than Rwanda and Pakistan. All the developed countries have significantly lower rates.

There is no reason for cops to admit this or try to change it.
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And here's someone that actually gets what we need to fix the urban poor communities, especially Black. And he's exactly the kind of person that scares the race hustlers because he exposes their con for what it is:

'1776' Is Helping Turn Civics Education Around

    Entrepreneur and civil rights movement veteran Robert L. Woodson, Sr. believes that American civics can help save our country—and that’s the mission of “1776,” a major initiative launched earlier this year by the Woodson Center, which Woodson founded to give local leaders the training they need to improve their communities.

    Featuring essays by notable scholars and writers such as Clarence Page, John McWhorter, and Carol M. Swain, and eventually a curriculum and multimedia resources, “1776” offers “perspectives that celebrate the progress America has made on delivering its promise of equality and opportunity and highlight the resilience of its people.”

    A recipient of the Bradley Price and the Presidential Citizens Medal, Woodson began “1776” to counter the New York Times’s 1619 Project, a series of essays launched a year ago this month with a very different focus: it teaches that America is defined, now and forever, by slavery. As Nikole Hannah-Jones wrote in the 1619 Project’s lead essay: “Anti-black racism runs in the very DNA of this country.”

    In Woodson’s view, the 1619 Project inculcates the “diabolical, self-destructive” idea that “all white Americans are oppressors and all black Americans are victims.”

    “Though slavery and discrimination undeniably are a tragic part of our nation’s history,” Woodson notes, “we have made strides along its long and tortuous journey to realize its promise and abide by its founding principles.”

    Woodson continues: “People are motivated to achieve and overcome the challenges that confront them when they learn about inspiring victories that are possible and are not barraged by constant reminders of injuries they have suffered.”

    He points to the surprising number “of men and women who were born slaves” but “died as millionaires,” the existence of famous black business districts in cities such as Durham, North Carolina and Tulsa, Oklahoma, in the midst of oppression and segregation, and heroes like baseball Hall of Fame slugger Hank Aaron as powerful examples for black uplift.

    And it’s a lesson that Woodson knows firsthand.

    Born in a low-income Philadelphia neighborhood, he rose up beyond his circumstances through hard work, the support of his family, and a good peer group. He entered the U.S. military, where he flew aircrafts for the space program; attended the University of Pennsylvania; and worked for the American Enterprise Institute, before starting the National Center for Neighborhood Enterprise in 1981. (It was rebranded as the Woodson Center in 2016.)

    The Woodson Center’s mission is to seek out “individuals and organizations” already present in communities and help them “build their capacities,” in part by helping them “in linking to the resources they need.” The Center has helped more than 22,000 adults reach financial literacy and trained over 2,600 grassroots leaders in 39 states, helping them “attain more than 10 times the funding expended by the Center.”

    Though the Center works on the “whole range” of issues associated with the “problems of poverty,” Woodson notes a “particular emphasis on those dealing with youth violence,” since “the restoration of civil order is a necessary foundation for civic health.”

    In The Triumphs of Joseph: How Today’s Community Healers Are Reviving Our Streets and Neighborhoods, Woodson writes that low-income black communities are “dying from self-inflicted wounds.” He calls it a “moral free-fall,” one that “penetrates beyond all boundaries of race, ethnicity, and income level.”

    In light of violent protests in the wake of George Floyd’s death in Minneapolis, Woodson has been active in print and on television, arguing that though Floyd’s killing was unconscionable, the violent protests that have ensued are “devastating the people in whose name they demand justice.”

    Another way the Woodson Center combats civic breakdown is through its Violence Free Zone initiative, which aims to reduce youth violence by providing mentors to young students to “encourage their personal, academic, and career success.” The Center reports that this initiative has led to a 50% reduction in crime, a 23% reduction in truancy, and a nearly 10% improvement in both student GPA and graduation rates.

    Woodson views the 1619 Project and Black Lives Matter as major contributors to the growing belief that the foundations of America itself must be torn down. Against what he sees as defeatism and a denial of moral agency, Woodson preaches an ethic of self-reliance and personal resilience. As Woodson sees it, “Nothing is more lethal than a good excuse for failure.”

    His vision, a deeply American one, should be heeded by his countrymen of all colors.
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@Pants-of-dog, how does “perspectives that celebrate the progress America has made on delivering its promise of equality and opportunity and highlight the resilience of its people” ignore racism?
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Because the only way to see US history from a perspective of "equality and opportunity" is by ignoring the fact that opportunity is not equal and never has been.

It seems more rewarding to analyse how historical causes have lead to the current problems with police brutality and killings.
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Pants-of-dog wrote:Because the only way to see US history from a perspective of "equality and opportunity" is by ignoring the fact that opportunity is not equal and never has been.

Except it isn;t "a perspective of 'equality and opportunity'," it's "perspectives that celebrate the progress America has made on delivering its promise of equality and opportunity." Like everywhere else in the West the United States once was a fundamentally racist culture, now it no longer is.

It seems more rewarding to analyse how historical causes have lead to the current problems with police brutality and killings.

I agree, and that is exactly what our modern race hustlers don't want, because what that will reveal is that racism is no long a driving factor in the problems faced by poor Blacks.
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Doug64 wrote:Except it isn;t "a perspective of 'equality and opportunity'," it's "perspectives that celebrate the progress America has made on delivering its promise of equality and opportunity." Like everywhere else in the West the United States once was a fundamentally racist culture, now it no longer is.


While significant progress has been made by people of colour who have fought for their rights, that does not mean that there has been significant progress in terms of how white people tend to view black people and how that ends up making significant negative impacts.

I agree, and that is exactly what our modern race hustlers don't want, because what that will reveal is that racism is no long a driving factor in the problems faced by poor Blacks.


Please show how historical causes that have lead to the current problems with police brutality and killings do not include racism. That should show the “race hustlers” the truth, right?
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Not sure if this was mentioned but two LA sheriffs were shot in an ambush attack. Protestors blocked access to the emergency room, chanting "we hope they die." That was about two days ago.
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Last night we saw violent riots in Lancaster, PA after a police officer shot a man who is on the body cam footage charging at the officer with a knife. The man had outstanding charges for stabbing four people, among other charges like stalking with intent to cause distress.
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blackjack21 wrote:Funny. Apparently, Kamala Harris is very proud of Jacob Blake. This world couldn't get much weirder.

She's married to a white man anyway. We know how this goes: intersectionalist on the streets, white breeder in the sheets.
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Pants-of-dog wrote:While significant progress has been made by people of colour who have fought for their rights, that does not mean that there has been significant progress in terms of how white people tend to view black people and how that ends up making significant negative impacts.

Please show how historical causes that have lead to the current problems with police brutality and killings do not include racism. That should show the “race hustlers” the truth, right?

I’m not in the business of trying to prove negatives. Please provide links to back your assertion that most Whites are racists and that said racism is the cause of police treatment of Blacks. Note, I’m not asking for proof that there are racist Whites, of course there are just as there are racist Blacks. I’m asking for proof that most Whites are racists.
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Only 13% of America are Black. Most are hard working, taxpaying citizens that will vote to re elect President Trump. Go and talk to some outside of the Democrat HUD Ghettos. Jews are around 2 to 3% of America. Jews know all about persecution. Ask them how unsafe the Democrats have made America. So much diversity in America that supports President Trump. It may be hard for some to admit, but America is healing with President Trump. The real destruction of America ended in 2016 when crooked Hillary lost a Democrat rigged election. The proof is out and America's taxpaying legal citizens are wise to the despicable Democrats. Only in Democrat run HUD Ghettos do fentanyl kings and queens complain about systemic problems each election cycle as the Socialist Democrats refill the campaign feeders. The path of despair that the Democrats are taking minorities on will only lead to a resurgence of actual Racism. The scenes of today do resemble the riots and fires of 1968. President Trump is good for America's taxpaying legal citizens. Brain dead career criminal Joe Biden is a Chinese sell out and should be tarred and feathered as a traitor. Crazy Bernie should be called what he is...A Communist...Socialist Sanders should be laughed at and get pelted with rotten vegetables. It is time to bring back the water cannons and quell the rioters. It is time to shoot back at the looters and those that would harm the police. Never vote for an Antifa Loving, BLM Supporting, Police Defunding, Leftist Career criminal Democrat this Century. God Bless America
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Doug64 wrote:I’m not in the business of trying to prove negatives.


Then support (not prove) your POSITIVE claim that the US problem with police brutality can comprehensively be explained without recourse to racism.

Please provide links to back your assertion that most Whites are racists and that said racism is the cause of police treatment of Blacks. Note, I’m not asking for proof that there are racist Whites, of course there are just as there are racist Blacks. I’m asking for proof that most Whites are racists.


Since I never made that claim, I will not support it.

But it is true that most (perhaps all) people have unconsciously internalised racist stereotypes from the broader culture.

    The truth? Everyone has some racist attitudes

    Here’s the bad news if you are one of those people asking, “Am I racist?”

    “If you have to ask if you are a racist, you are,” says Angela Bell, an assistant professor of psychology at Lafayette College in Pennsylvania. “And if you are not asking if you are a racist, you are.”

    Bell’s paradoxical response is part of what she and others say about racism: It’s almost impossible not to be a racist growing up in the US. If you think you’re immune from it, that denial itself is part of how racism perpetuates.

    “You start off with the assumption that you are, because everybody living in the United States has internalized stereotypes about Black people,” says Mark Naison, an activist and a professor of African American Studies at Fordham University in New York City.

    “One of the things I learned very early in my development is that everyone in American society internalized anti-Black attitudes because they are so ingrained in our culture,” he says.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/21/ ... he-answer/

When you also take into a count things like the fact that lynching is still legal, or was only recently made illegal, and the history of systemic racism in policing, and the contrast in reactions by cops to the Kenosha killer and Jacob Blake, it is difficult to argue that things have substantially changed between police and BIPOC people in the USA.
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Pants-of-dog wrote:Then support (not prove) your POSITIVE claim that the US problem with police brutality can comprehensively be explained without recourse to racism.

As soon as you toss in the “without” you’re asking me to prove a negative. And no, I’m not going to go along with starting from the assumption that we have a serious police brutality problem that can be explained by systemic racism, then trying to disprove it. The burden of proof lies on those that claim the problem exists in the first place. Yes, there are isolated incidents of police brutality. Provide proof that such brutality is a systemic problem.

Since I never made that claim, I will not support it.

But it is true that most (perhaps all) people have unconsciously internalised racist stereotypes from the broader culture.

So you aren’t claiming that most Whites are racist, you’re claiming that everyone is racist? Again, prove it. And no, a newspaper article I can’t access doesn’t count as proof.

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