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Doug64 wrote:That’s a rather interesting comment, considering my thorough critique of the ruling on the Washington Times in the “Undocumented Aliens and Crime” thread. The critique that you ignored entirely?


You are literally addressing an off topic criticism by pointing out how I did not address another off topic criticism in another thread. This is one of the classic ways you avoid debate: by bringing up how I debate.

And while I post informed opinions of those in a better position to know whereof they speak than I do, I mostly post hard news stories that aren’t likely to get much coverage from the MSM(D). Informed debate and discussion requires facts, after all, and that’s what the Leftists in the MSM(D) want to deny you—or are simply so blinded by their own biases that they don’t consider them news worth bothering with. Like the story about a joint BLM/Proud Boys news conference condemning White supremacy, it doesn’t fit their narrative you see, any more than the fact that the Proud Boys’ international chairman is a Black Hispanic.


Every single piece you post is from biased sources known for posting incorrect and misleading information. It is almost all editorials.

Yes, you justify it by accusing the “MSM” of doing the same. You openly embrace the same journalistic practices you condemn in those you call the MSM.
#15124716
Pants-of-dog wrote:Every single piece you post is from biased sources known for posting incorrect and misleading information. It is almost all editorials.

And we’re back to how horrible you think the Washington Times is. Can you point to a single Washington Times opinion piece that I’ve posted? I mostly don’t even read them.

So, do ou have anything to say about a joint news conference of Utah BLM and Proud Boys affiliates condemning White supremacy, or what the fact that the Proud Boys’ international chairman is a Black Hispanic says about the accusations that they are a White Supremacist organization?
#15124722
Doug64 wrote:And we’re back to how horrible you think the Washington Times is. Can you point to a single Washington Times opinion piece that I’ve posted? I mostly don’t even read them.


I explained how those are all actually just opinion pieces.

So, do ou have anything to say about a joint news conference of Utah BLM and Proud Boys affiliates condemning White supremacy, or what the fact that the Proud Boys’ international chairman is a Black Hispanic says about the accusations that they are a White Supremacist organization?


Yes, they can claim whatever they want.

But they seem to actively support openly racist people and groups. They have white supremacists in their ranks. They espouse views very similar to those ethnic nationalists who claim that western culture (i.e. whites) is under attack. They are overtly Islamophobic and misogynist. They also openly embrace violence and openly use violence against people they consider to be antifa.

And the fact that some racialised people have internalised racism and also espouse the same anti-immigrant views does not make those views any less racist. Again, black people and Hispanics can also be racist.
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Pants-of-dog wrote:I explained how those are all actually just opinion pieces.

And I explained how your "explanation" was wrong, using your own source.

But they seem to actively support openly racist people and groups. They have white supremacists in their ranks. They espouse views very similar to those ethnic nationalists who claim that western culture (i.e. whites) is under attack. They are overtly Islamophobic and misogynist. They also openly embrace violence and openly use violence against people they consider to be antifa.

Please provide links. Also, are you claiming that non-Whites have not and do not make any contributions to our Western culture, so any references to taking pride in Western culture's accomplishments is inherently racist?

And the fact that some racialised people have internalised racism and also espouse the same anti-immigrant views does not make those views any less racist. Again, black people and Hispanics can also be racist.

So you are saying that the Black Hispanic that is the Proud Boys' international chairman is actually a White Supremacist?
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Doug64 wrote:And I explained how your "explanation" was wrong, using your own source.


No one cares about this irrelevant tangent.

Please provide links.


Please see their Wiki page.

Also, are you claiming that non-Whites have not and do not make any contributions to our Western culture, so any references to taking pride in Western culture's accomplishments is inherently racist?

No, that is what racist people like Proud Boys beleive.



He may not be individually, but he supports white supremacy and white supremacists through his actions and institution.
#15125118
Pants-of-dog wrote:No one cares about this irrelevant tangent.

You’re the one that keeps denigrating the Washington Times, in spite of the way that your own site ranks them as reliable as CNN, has them as less biased than CNN, and recognizes their evenhanded reporting in news stories. So apparently, you care about this irrelevant tangent very much.

Please see their Wiki page.

I don’t trust Wikipedia for modern political coverage, their Left-wing boosterism and suppression of opposing viewpoints is well-documented, even recognized as such by one of its co-founders. But I did go to their actual webpage, and here’s their list of core values:

  • Minimal Government
  • Maximum Freedom
  • Anti-Political Correctness
  • Anti-Drug War
  • Closed Borders
  • Anti-Racial Guilt
  • Anti-Racism
  • Pro-Free Speech (1st Amendment)
  • Pro-Gun Rights (2nd Amendment)
  • Glorifying the Entrepreneur
  • Venerating the Housewife
  • Reinstating a Spirit of Western Chauvinism
So which of those supports White Supremacy?

He may not be individually, but he supports white supremacy and white supremacists through his actions and institution.

Please show how he does so.
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Doug64 wrote:You’re the one that keeps denigrating the Washington Times, in spite of the way that your own site ranks them as reliable as CNN, has them as less biased than CNN, and recognizes their evenhanded reporting in news stories. So apparently, you care about this irrelevant tangent very much.


No, it ranks CNN as biased (but in the opposite direction) but ranks CNN as more reliable and factual. Your whole MSM (D) conspiracy/victim narrative is what is boring.

I don’t trust Wikipedia for modern political coverage, their Left-wing boosterism and suppression of opposing viewpoints is well-documented, even recognized as such by one of its co-founders. But I did go to their actual webpage, and here’s their list of core values:

  • Minimal Government
  • Maximum Freedom
  • Anti-Political Correctness
  • Anti-Drug War
  • Closed Borders
  • Anti-Racial Guilt
  • Anti-Racism
  • Pro-Free Speech (1st Amendment)
  • Pro-Gun Rights (2nd Amendment)
  • Glorifying the Entrepreneur
  • Venerating the Housewife
  • Reinstating a Spirit of Western Chauvinism
So which of those supports White Supremacy?


Dismissing evidence because you think something is biased is a fallacy.

Again, what they say is irrelevant. Their open and clear support of racism in Charlottesville and subsequent locations clearly demonstrates that the PB support white supremacy no matter what their press releases claim.

Please show how he does so.


Again, he supports the institution through his work, and his institution supports white supremacists, and those in turn support white supremacy.
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Pants-of-dog wrote:No, it ranks CNN as biased (but in the opposite direction) but ranks CNN as more reliable and factual. Your whole MSM (D) conspiracy/victim narrative is what is boring.

No, it ranks both CNN and the Washington Times as "Mixed." Do I need to repost the images of their ranking? And I already took apart their flawed reasoning for giving that "Mixed" rating to the Washington Times. And I'll keep bringing this up as often as you dismiss the Washington Times as a news source.

Dismissing evidence because you think something is biased is a fallacy.

Not taking evidence at face value because you don't trust the source is not.

Again, what they say is irrelevant. Their open and clear support of racism in Charlottesville and subsequent locations clearly demonstrates that the PB support white supremacy no matter what their press releases claim.

Except the Proud Boys weren't involved with Charlottesville rioting, though it seems a handful of its members were.

Again, he supports the institution through his work, and his institution supports white supremacists, and those in turn support white supremacy.

Except you haven't offered any proof that the Proud Boys organization support White Supremacists. The fact that their international chairman would suggest they don't, or he wouldn't be in that position.
#15125596
Doug64 wrote:...more MSM (D) crap....


Like I said, this is boring.

Not taking evidence at face value because you don't trust the source is not.


You should really write complete sentences.

Except the Proud Boys weren't involved with Charlottesville rioting, though it seems a handful of its members were.


So you agree that members of the PB were at Charlottesville supporting racists. And you also do not refute any of the other examples.

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Except you haven't offered any proof that the Proud Boys organization support White Supremacists. The fact that their international chairman would suggest they don't, or he wouldn't be in that position.


Yes, I did.

Again, anyone can read the Wikipedia page. The fact that you want to ignore it because of your prejudices about media is not a valid argument against the evidence.
#15125964


Cops shot a guy in Wisconsin and we all know what that means by now.

It was in a small city in Wisconsin. I checked and it was one of the only places in Wisconsin that voted for Hillary in 2016. I wonder if Trump can take it? People smashing windows, shining lights into houses and blockading roads while pretending to be cops, the last one being a pretty serious felony.
#15128197
The other thread is currently being ckaihatsu'd so I'll be posting here again.

https://www.wistv.com/2020/10/16/reside ... ice-force/

All three police officers in this small Wisconsin town have resigned and residents are calling for the mayor to resign as well. This is what happens when we invite anarchy! :excited:
#15131192
The ckaing has continued unabated so I'm posting here.

Second night of large-scale looting in Philadelphia, largest city in now-swing state PA. It was so out of control that at least 11 looters shot other looters as they fought each other over their stolen loot.

It seems likely that if there was any chance of Biden winning back PA it is probably gone now.
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It's been awhile since I posted here, but this caught my eye:

Virginia police chief fired as felony charges are dropped in Confederate vandalism case
The police chief of Portsmouth, Virginia, was fired Monday in what she suggested was a politically motivated move moments before criminal charges were dropped against a prominent state senator and several local Black leaders accused of conspiring to damage a Confederate statue during a protest this year.

The latest twist in the case involving state Sen. Louise Lucas, a high-ranking Democrat who is Virginia's most senior Black legislator, drew praise from members of her own party who condemned the charges.

Former Gov. Terry McAuliffe tweeted: "Our hero Louise Lucas and her fellow proud Portsmouth citizens deserve our admiration. Grateful this despicable political persecution is over."

Portsmouth police in August charged Lucas and 18 other plaintiffs, including a school board member and members of the local NAACP chapter and the public defender's office, with conspiracy to commit a felony and injury to a monument in excess of $1,000.

Lucas said in a statement Tuesday that the Portsmouth Police Department "made a mockery of the criminal justice system" by filing "obscure felony charges against me and other Portsmouth citizens and in so doing, they created a scandalous national embarrassment for our city."

"It is obvious that everyone involved in that malicious investigation was determined to destroy me politically, professionally and personally," she added. "Perspectively, I stood to lose my voting rights, my position in the Senate of Virginia (where I am the the first Black Legislator and the first woman to serve as Senate President Pro Temp) and my business license, which would have cut off my livelihood."

Portsmouth Police Department officials declined to comment and referred questions to the city.

A city spokeswoman declined to say whether Greene's firing was a result of the initial charges.

The June 10 protest in Portsmouth, a majority-Black city across the Elizabeth River from Norfolk, came in the wake of national demonstrations against racial injustice calling for the removal of Confederate monuments and other divisive historic structures from public spaces. The death of George Floyd, a Black man, in police custody in Minneapolis in May focused renewed attention on such symbols.

At the Portsmouth protest, demonstrators managed to rip off the heads of some of the city's Confederate statues while toppling another statue, which police said fell on and critically injured a demonstrator.

When Greene, who is Black, later announced the charges, she said Lucas and others "conspired and organized to destroy the monument as well as summon hundreds of people to join in felonious acts."

According to the police version of events in a probable cause summary, Lucas was with a group of people who were shaking cans of spray paint, and she told police that they were going to vandalize the statues "and you can't stop them ... they got a right, go ahead!"

But a dismissal motion filed by the Portsmouth Commonwealth Attorney's Office said there was "no proper evidence" to support the charges that the plaintiffs' actions "rise to the level of felony destruction of property or conspiracy." Video from the scene and other digital evidence were also unreliable, according to the motion.

In dismissing the charges Monday, a judge also questioned why police went around local prosecutors to bring charges.

City leaders had initially questioned Greene's involvement in investigating the Confederate protest because of an unspecified conflict of interest. Local activists and clergy leaders called for her resignation or firing.

In September, Greene, who became police chief in 2019, took an indefinite leave of absence. Rallies were also held in her support.

On Monday morning, she held up a copy of her termination letter during a news conference.

"I believe I was wrongfully terminated for upholding the law and being retaliated against for sticking to my sworn oath that I swore to serve and protect my citizens, community and keeping my officers safe," she said.

Greene said city leaders did not provide a reason for her firing other than that she was an "at-will employee." She added that she planned to sue the city, saying law enforcement should be "able to protect the community and enforce the law without interference from political leaders."

City spokeswoman Dana Woodson confirmed in an email that Greene had been fired, but she declined to provide further comment, saying it was a "confidential, personnel matter."

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