[Wulfschilde]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump- ... n-official

Happening: after years of joking that Donald Trump deserves a Nobel prize if Obama got one just for being black, people are starting to acknowledge one of Trump's major foreign policy accomplishments. Helping to form a deal between Israel and a Muslim country, most of which have historically denied Israel's right to exist, is a big deal. The mostly left-wing MSM wants us to pay attention to anonymous sources claiming that Trump hates WWI soldiers ( ) and has barely covered this and other historic events at all. But if the Nobel prize wants half of the western world to take them seriously again, they basically have to give it to Trump after they gave it to Obama like it was a participation trophy, that's just the truth.

[ingliz]

Trump

Nobody gives a shit. America and the Nobel Peace Prize appearing together in the same sentence has been a running joke for years. They gave it to Kissinger in '73 for God's sake. So ridiculous was that award it was described at the time as a move which "made political satire obsolete".

[Beren]

I didn't realise Israel and the U.A.E. were at war with each other.

[Rancid]

That prize has been a joke for a long time now. Basically, nothing to see here.

[B0ycey]

He got a nomination from a Far right Norwegian MP. So isn't so much of a big deal when you scratch the surface. Although perhaps he can now throw away his fake award from his desk draw.

[jimjam]

The bar for being nominated for the prize is low, as nominations are accepted from any politician serving at a national level, or from heads of state. For the 2020 prize, the winner of which has yet to be announced, there were 318 candidates. A previous attempt to nominate Trump ended in mystery when two nominations submitted for him in 2017 turned out to have been faked. They were subsequently withdrawn by the committee, leading Norwegian police to contact the FBI to try to trace the culprits.

The Nobel peace prize was awarded to Barack Obama in 2009 for his “extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between people”. He donated the $1.4m award to charity.

[Finfinder]

The bar for being nominated for the prize is low, as nominations are accepted from any politician serving at a national level, or from heads of state. For the 2020 prize, the winner of which has yet to be announced, there were 318 candidates. A previous attempt to nominate Trump ended in mystery when two nominations submitted for him in 2017 turned out to have been faked. They were subsequently withdrawn by the committee, leading Norwegian police to contact the FBI to try to trace the culprits.

The Nobel peace prize was awarded to Barack Obama in 2009 for his “extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between people”. He donated the $1.4m award to charity.

No doubt the drone king" Obama set that bar.

The 542 drone strikes that Obama authorized killed an estimated 3,797 people, including 324 civilians.

https://www.cfr.org/blog/obamas-final-drone-strike-data

[Drlee]

And Mahatma Gandhi does not have one.

[skinster]

UAE-Israel deal: Abraham accord or Israeli colonialism?
The invocation of Abraham is just the latest move to rewrite the horrific colonial reality of Zionism and Israel in terms of religious and fraternal discord
The recent US-brokered normalisation agreement between Israel and the United Arab Emirates, signed on 13 August, has been dubbed by Donald Trump "the Abraham Accord".

Trump declared on the occasion that "Emirati Muslims can now pray in the historic Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem, the third holiest site in Islam".

The invocation of Abraham and the issue of religion is hardly a Trumpian innovation.

Indeed, when former US President Jimmy Carter presided over that other US-brokered normalisation agreement between Israel and Egypt in 1978 and 1979, namely the Camp David Accords, signed by Anwar Sadat and Menachem Begin, Carter declared: "Let us now lay aside war. Let us now reward all the children of Abraham who hunger for a comprehensive peace in the Middle East. Let us now enjoy the adventure of becoming fully human, fully neighbours, even brothers and sisters."

At the 1993 signing of the Oslo Accords between the late Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat and then Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, US President Bill Clinton, presiding over the ceremony at the White House, declared: "For them we must realise the prophecy of Isaiah that the cry of violence shall no more be heard in your land, nor wrack nor ruin within your borders. The children of Abraham, the descendants of Isaac and Ishmael, have embarked together on a bold journey. Together today, with all our hearts and all our souls, we bid them shalom, salaam, peace."

However, at the 1994 US-brokered normalisation treaty between Israel and Jordan, Clinton did not re-invoke Abraham but he did stress that "at the dawn of this peace of a generation, in this ancient place we celebrate the history and the faith of Jordanians and Israelis”, and quoted the Qur’an and the Jewish Scriptures.

Clinton subcontracted the mention of Abraham this time to the late King Hussein, who declared in turn: "To remember this day as long as we live and for future generations of Jordanians, Israelis, Arabs, Palestinians, all children of Abraham."

When relations later soured between King Hussein and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in 1997, Hussein wrote him a letter to chastise him, in which he invoked Abraham yet again: "The saddest reality that has been dawning on me is that I do not find you by my side in working to fulfill God's will for the final reconciliation of all the descendants of the children of Abraham."

A western invention
Much of this invocation of Abraham has to do with the relatively recent western Protestant and Orientalist invention of the term "Abrahamic religions", which is wrongly attributed to Muslims, to refer to the three monotheistic religions. While Abraham is of central importance to the Islamic tradition, the notion of Abrahamic "religions" or "adyan" in Arabic is foreign to it. The term is unknown in Arabic or Hebrew (except in translation from English).

The purpose of the invocation of Abraham is to pretend and to present the European Jewish colonial movement of Zionism, which sought to conquer Palestine and transform it into a Jewish settler-colony, as a Jewish religious quest not a European colonial one.

And that the resistance of the Palestinian people and other Arabs to this European colonisation was nothing short of religious strife between Muslims (often Palestinian Christians who were in the forefront of the fight against Zionism since its inception are forgotten) and Jews, when indeed the majority of Jews and Jewish organisations, and especially the two major Jewish denominations of Orthodox and Reform Judaism, opposed Zionism since its birth in the 1880s and 1890s until after World War Two.

Here we should be reminded that Zionist propaganda, which adopted the Protestant and antisemitic idea that European Jews are not European but are direct descendants of the ancient Palestinian Hebrews, and therefore that the colonisation by European Jews of the land of the Palestinians was nothing short of a "repatriation", and that the indigenous Palestinians are in fact the real colonists, is hardly an original argument.

A cover for Zionism
The white French colonial-settlers of Algeria also claimed that they were indigenous to Algeria, which their alleged Roman ancestors ruled, and that their colonisation of the country was simply an act of reclamation of the Roman Empire.

Indeed, the French writer and essayist Louis Bertrand saw the European colonists of Algeria "as a Latin melting pot that was taking up the heritage of the Roman Empire in North Africa. It was the recovery of a land that was rightfully theirs".

Abraham is invoked in these contexts as a cover for Zionist colonialism, to wrap this predatory colonial-settler movement with a religious halo and to represent the anti-colonial struggle of the indigenous Palestinians as a religious and fratricidal fight between "the children of Abraham".

That those Arab leaders who have committed to Zionism espouse the same language is hardly surprising, as the essence of endorsing Zionism is the agreement that its colonial nature be covered up so that any resistance to it would be presented as anti-Jewish prejudice, or indeed as against fraternal love mandated by the God of Abraham.

The Saudi, Bahraini and Emirati efforts in the last two decades to sponsor so-called interfaith "dialogues" and "tolerance" are an integral part of the strategy to rewrite the colonial history of Zionism as one of "religious conflict".

A religious strife
Let us set aside this attempt to legitimise Zionist settler-colonialism by recasting it as a religious and fraternal strife and consider the appeal to Abraham on its own terms.

Let us suppose that those imperial American leaders and the unelected Arab autocrats who appeal to Abraham in the context of the Palestinian Question aim to make an ecumenical move, of integrating religions in the region under the capacious umbrella of Abrahamic fraternity, hoping to provide a theme of unity in the midst of a conflict in which religion has tended to overlay the political aspects.

Setting aside for a moment this depoliticising move, which distracts from the colonial past and present in which the "conflict" lies and in which it is carried out, and avoids the whole question of justice and decolonisation for the Palestinians, the invocation of Abraham seems to falter on its own terms and not just because of this depoliticising effect.

For even if integrating, ecumenising appeals to unity among "religions" were not to distract from the political aspects of the conflict in this way, such appeals can only be meaningful if this presupposed unity among the religions that are allegedly in conflict are part of the lived life of quotidian practice, ritual, festival, custom, community.

In such a scenario, then appealing to these integrating factors may have the effect of demonstrating that the "conflict" between these "religions" is part of a false and trumped-up political manipulation and should be therefore abandoned. But in the appeal to Abraham, the opposite is true.

A false reality
The lived reality of the colonial past and the colonial present is that of the deep ongoing and quotidian brutalisation of a people by another. In the case of Israeli Jews and Palestinians, there was/is no commonality of living outside the conquest of the land by European Jewish colonists, any more than there was in the lives of white and black South Africans during colonisation and apartheid.

As for the Arab-Jewish colonists, whatever memories still survive of a commonality of life between Arab-Jewish, Muslim and Christian neighbours in those Arab countries from which Arab Jews came, they are separated from and contrasted with the conquering relationship that Arab Jews, like their European counterparts, also have to indigenous Palestinians.

The appeal to Abraham in this colonial context is not therefore an appeal to a lived reality but an appeal to something fictitious and false, and which wants to indigenise the colonising Jews in Palestine, in which they arrived since the 1880s as colonial conquerors.

There have been multi-pronged attempts since the late 1930s to recast Zionist colonialism as not colonial at all: that Palestinian anti-Zionist resistance is no more than a "clash of nationalisms"; or that the two groups are "Semites" (a racist European category invented by European Christians in the late 18th century), engaged in an age-old struggle that goes back millennia. Or that what exists between the Zionist colonial settlers and the indigenous Palestinians is a mere "conflict", a term that would never be used to describe the Algerian or the Zimbabwean or Kenyan anti-colonial struggles, for example.

The invocation of Abraham is just the latest of these moves to rewrite the horrific colonial reality of Zionism and Israel in terms of religious and fraternal discord. Some Arab leaders may have accepted this, but the colonised Palestinians prove in their everyday resistance to the ongoing Zionist colonisation of their lands that neither the invocation of the name of Abraham nor that of any other prophet would ever convince them otherwise.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/u ... olonialism

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[Julian658]

The bar for being nominated for the prize is low, as nominations are accepted from any politician serving at a national level, or from heads of state. For the 2020 prize, the winner of which has yet to be announced, there were 318 candidates. A previous attempt to nominate Trump ended in mystery when two nominations submitted for him in 2017 turned out to have been faked. They were subsequently withdrawn by the committee, leading Norwegian police to contact the FBI to try to trace the culprits.

The Nobel peace prize was awarded to Barack Obama in 2009 for his “extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between people”. He donated the $1.4m award to charity.

Obama got the prize because he was an Obama.

[Drlee]

Obama got the prize because he was an Obama.

Racist alert.

Obama got the prize because the committee wanted to encourage him to get out of the Middle East. He did not do that. Just another reason that the peace prize has become a joke.

[Hindsite]

Trump nominated for Nobel Peace Prize by Norwegian official, citing Israel-UAE peace deal

Just weeks after helping to broker peace between Israel and the United Arab Emirates (UAE), President Trump has been nominated for the 2021 Nobel Peace Prize.

The nomination submitted by Christian Tybring-Gjedde, a member of the Norwegian Parliament, lauded Trump for his efforts toward resolving protracted conflicts worldwide.

“For his merit, I think he has done more trying to create peace between nations than most other Peace Prize nominees,” Tybring-Gjedde, a four-term member of Parliament who also serves as chairman of the Norwegian delegation to the NATO Parliamentary Assembly, told Fox News in an exclusive interview.

Tybring-Gjedde, in his nomination letter to the Nobel Committee, said the Trump administration has played a key role in the establishment of relations between Israel and the UAE. “As it is expected other Middle Eastern countries will follow in the footsteps of the UAE, this agreement could be a game changer that will turn the Middle East into a region of cooperation and prosperity,” he wrote.

Also cited in the letter was the president’s “key role in facilitating contact between conflicting parties and … creating new dynamics in other protracted conflicts, such as the Kashmir border dispute between India and Pakistan, and the conflict between North and South Korea, as well as dealing with the nuclear capabilities of North Korea.”

Tybring-Gjedde, further, praised Trump for withdrawing a large number of troops from the Middle East. “Indeed, Trump has broken a 39-year-old streak of American Presidents either starting a war or bringing the United States into an international armed conflict. The last president to avoid doing so was Peace Prize laureate Jimmy Carter,” he wrote.

This is not Trump’s first such nomination, as Tybring-Gjedde submitted one along with another Norwegian official in 2018 following the U.S. president’s Singapore summit with Kim Jong Un. Japan’s prime minister reportedly did the same. Trump did not win.

“I’m not a big Trump supporter,” he said. “The committee should look at the facts and judge him on the facts – not on the way he behaves sometimes. The people who have received the Peace Prize in recent years have done much less than Donald Trump. For example, Barack Obama did nothing.”

The 2009 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to then-President Barack Obama for what the Nobel Committee called his "extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples."

That decision made just nine months into Obama’s first term was met with criticism in the U.S. – including from Donald Trump, then a private citizen. Lech Walesa, Poland’s former president and a 1983 Nobel laureate, also said at the time it was too early to bestow the award on Obama -- just 263 days after taking office: “Too fast. For the time being Obama’s just making proposals. But sometimes the Nobel Committee awards the prize to encourage responsible action.”

Even Obama was taken aback, saying at the time he was “surprised and humbled” by the Nobel Committee’s decision. “To be honest,” he said, “I do not feel that I deserve to be in the company of so many of the transformative figures who have been honored by this prize, men and women who’ve inspired me and inspired the entire world through their courageous pursuit of peace.”

The Nobel Peace Prize recipient is determined by a five-person Nobel Committee, which is appointed by the Norwegian Parliament. The winner of the Peace Prize for 2021 will not be announced until October of next year.

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[Julian658]

Racist alert.

Obama got the prize because the committee wanted to encourage him to get out of the Middle East. He did not do that. Just another reason that the peace prize has become a joke.

Obama did not deserve the Nobel prize. He knew it, he is a smart man and gave the cash away.

[Wulfschilde]

Well, people on here immediately dumped the Nobel prize. That was fast

[Crantag]

I'm only here to comment that the TS is a racist piece of shit who ain't worth reading.

[Atlantis]

Tybring-Gjedde was one of two Norwegian politicians who nominated Trump for the peace prize in 2018 for his efforts to bring reconciliation between North and South Korea.

Oh well, that didn't go too well. So little Donny boy makes peace in the ME next. That should be a piece of cake.

[Julian658]

Oh well, that didn't go too well. So little Donny boy makes peace in the ME next. That should be a piece of cake.

Trump will never win because he is a Trump.
Obama won because of affirmative action.

[Godstud]

Obama won because he was elected [insult deleted - rule 2 violation - Prosthetic Conscience]

[Rich]

People have some funny ideas about peace. For a really enduring peace look at how the Romans ended the Punic Wars. Now that was a really successful peace. As far as I'm aware we never heard a peep from the Carthaginians again. I don't doubt deep down the Palestinians are committed to achieve a permanent Punic style peace.

The original idea that was labelled as anti-Semitic was that the Jews were descended from Turks.