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I am not joining in your condolences. She lived to old age, had a nice run.

Meanwhile millions of children continued to die in the womb as a result of her politics.

No I'm not sorry for her.

Thankfully Trump has the chance to get a good pro-life Republican Judge on the bench. Good.

Ram home the appointment quick.
#15121315
Wulfschilde wrote:Hey guys, remember when Justice Scalia died near the end of Obama's term and Obama didn't nominate a new Justice because his term was almost over? It goes both ways.


Do you seriously have a learning disability or something?

My point stands regardless of whether you were trolling or serious because it's stupid both ways.
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Wulfschilde wrote:Hey guys, remember when Justice Scalia died near the end of Obama's term and Obama didn't nominate a new Justice because his term was almost over? It goes both ways.

This is you guys right now:
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I like how you're justifying your party's lack of principles. You stop the appointment citing an election, but when the shoe's on the other foot, you plan to force it through.
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Random American wrote:I like how you're justifying your party's lack of principles. You stop the appointment citing an election, but when the shoe's on the other foot, you plan to force it through.


Reactionaries don't have principals and that's the exact wrong way to approach them. They literally get off to the idea of people saying, "That's not fair!"

That's why they love Trump. They only see government and power as a means to hurt others, which is why they love Trump's performative bullying.

You can see it expressed in the same, extremely stupid posts about the fantasy female nominee: they don't care about her politics (not like any GOP nominated judge would be more or less shit than another), just that her identity can be weaponized against their cartoonish conception of their enemies.
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Random American wrote:I like how you're justifying your party's lack of principles. You stop the appointment citing an election, but when the shoe's on the other foot, you plan to force it through.

I think you understand it but I'm going to spell it out for you.

Obama wants SCOTUS pick near the end of his term, this means that trying to get a SCOTUS pick is OK.
Republicans block it. If they allow it now then yes, it is hypocrisy.
BUT in order for Republicans to be morally wrong here, the original act of seeking a SCOTUS pick must have been acceptable. If the original act is acceptable, this means that it is not wrong to try and get the pick. Ultimately, either the pick is OK or both sides are hypocrites.
#15121320
That makes zero sense. But it's OK, it doesn't have to make sense in your brain. You will soon find yourself forgetting that you ever cared about whatever ideological or moral pretext you tried to create, safe and secure in the knowledge that whatever you once tried to justify you were right to believe it.
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Random American wrote:Despite the lack of comments by Trump floating a replacement, we know he will soon make that a priority. They won't apply the same standard that they did with Garland.

KurtFF8 wrote:I am curious to see how Trump supporters will justify that one.

Senator Majority Leader McConnell has already had his say in the issue:

McConnell says Senate will vote on Supreme Court

    Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said Friday that he will force a vote on whomever President Trump nominates to fill the seat of the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, signaling a brutal fight later this year.

    Mr. McConnell did not lay out timing, but said flatly that “President Trump’s nominee will receive a vote on the floor of the United States Senate.”

    Justice Ginsburg passed away Friday, with just weeks to go before the presidential election. She reportedly made a deathbed statement saying she wanted the seat to be filled by whoever wins in November.

    That was the same logic Mr. McConnell used in 2016 to deny action on President Obama’s nominee to fill the seat of Justice Antonin Scalia, who died in February of that year, as the presidential primaries were underway.

    But Mr. McConnell says that was different.

    At that time the Senate was controlled by Republicans, while Mr. Obama was a Democrat. Mr. McConnell said this year there’s a Republican president and a GOP Senate.

    “In the last midterm election before Justice Scalia’s death in 2016, Americans elected a Republican Senate majority because we pledged to check and balance the last days of a lame-duck president’s second term. We kept our promise. Since the 1880s, no Senate has confirmed an opposite-party president’s Supreme Court nominee in a presidential election year,” he said in a statement Friday.

    “By contrast, Americans reelected our majority in 2016 and expanded it in 2018 because we pledged to work with President Trump and support his agenda, particularly his outstanding appointments to the federal judiciary. Once again, we will keep our promise,” he said.

To be fair, this was the same thing McConnell said at the time of the Garland nomination, Republicans even called it the Biden Rule after a statement Biden made on the floor of the Senate to its president in 1992, when he was Chairman of the Judiciary Committee. Of course, Biden's reasoning was a little different from the Republicans--or at least, his excuse:

    "Some will criticize such a decision and say it was nothing more than an attempt to save a seat on the court in the hopes that a Democrat will be permitted to fill it. But that would not be our intention, Mr. President, if that were the course we were to choose in the Senate — to not consider holding hearings until after the election. Instead, it would be our pragmatic conclusion that once the political season is under way, and it is, action on a Supreme Court nomination must be put off until after the election campaign is over."

blackjack21 wrote:Indeed. However, there are a lot of Catholics on the court. Whatever happened to protestant jurists?

In this case, politics. With the possibility to influence Catholic voters and the problems Democrats would have attacking her because of her Catholic values (both because of Catholic voters and having an ostensible Catholic as head of their ticket), picking her could be a politically wise choice. She has a further advantage in that it hasn't been all that long since she was vetted by the Senate--when Senators Collins, Murkowski, and Manchin all voted for her.
#15121323
colliric wrote:I am not joining in your condolences. She lived to old age, had a nice run.

Meanwhile millions of children continued to die in the womb as a result of her politics.

No I'm not sorry for her.

Thankfully Trump has the chance to get a good pro-life Republican Judge on the bench. Good.

Ram home the appointment quick.


I don't care ( in fact rather prefer) if the Judge were a fire-breathing Socialist, as long as they stood firm on the sanctity of human life from conception to natural death. It is the difference between a civilization of life, or barbarism and death, no matter how technologically advanced but spiritually impoverished.
#15121324
SpecialOlympian wrote:That makes zero sense. But it's OK, it doesn't have to make sense in your brain. You will soon find yourself forgetting that you ever cared about whatever ideological or moral pretext you tried to create, safe and secure in the knowledge that whatever you once tried to justify you were right to believe it.

Maybe you are just too emotional right now to understand.

If Obama nominating a Justice near the end of his term was acceptable, it is acceptable for Trump to do the same, right? The nomination is a distinct act from the downvoting of said nominee.

Therefore, if Trump is wrong to nominate someone, that means that Obama was also wrong to nominate someone, in which case the Republicans were right to block it. In the alternative, Obama should not have nominated anyone, in which case both sides were wrong should Trump nominate someone.
#15121326
Doug64 wrote:Senator Majority Leader McConnell has already had his say in the issue:

McConnell says Senate will vote on Supreme Court

    Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said Friday that he will force a vote on whomever President Trump nominates to fill the seat of the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, signaling a brutal fight later this year.

    Mr. McConnell did not lay out timing, but said flatly that “President Trump’s nominee will receive a vote on the floor of the United States Senate.”

    Justice Ginsburg passed away Friday, with just weeks to go before the presidential election. She reportedly made a deathbed statement saying she wanted the seat to be filled by whoever wins in November.

    That was the same logic Mr. McConnell used in 2016 to deny action on President Obama’s nominee to fill the seat of Justice Antonin Scalia, who died in February of that year, as the presidential primaries were underway.

    But Mr. McConnell says that was different.

    At that time the Senate was controlled by Republicans, while Mr. Obama was a Democrat. Mr. McConnell said this year there’s a Republican president and a GOP Senate.

    “In the last midterm election before Justice Scalia’s death in 2016, Americans elected a Republican Senate majority because we pledged to check and balance the last days of a lame-duck president’s second term. We kept our promise. Since the 1880s, no Senate has confirmed an opposite-party president’s Supreme Court nominee in a presidential election year,” he said in a statement Friday.

    “By contrast, Americans reelected our majority in 2016 and expanded it in 2018 because we pledged to work with President Trump and support his agenda, particularly his outstanding appointments to the federal judiciary. Once again, we will keep our promise,” he said.

To be fair, this was the same thing McConnell said at the time of the Garland nomination, Republicans even called it the Biden Rule after a statement Biden made on the floor of the Senate to its president in 1992, when he was Chairman of the Judiciary Committee. Of course, Biden's reasoning was a little different from the Republicans--or at least, his excuse:

    "Some will criticize such a decision and say it was nothing more than an attempt to save a seat on the court in the hopes that a Democrat will be permitted to fill it. But that would not be our intention, Mr. President, if that were the course we were to choose in the Senate — to not consider holding hearings until after the election. Instead, it would be our pragmatic conclusion that once the political season is under way, and it is, action on a Supreme Court nomination must be put off until after the election campaign is over."


In this case, politics. With the possibility to influence Catholic voters and the problems Democrats would have attacking her because of her Catholic values (both because of Catholic voters and having an ostensible Catholic as head of their ticket), picking her could be a politically wise choice. She has a further advantage in that it hasn't been all that long since she was vetted by the Senate--when Senators Collins, Murkowski, and Manchin all voted for her.

It sounds rough but that is how the system is intended to work; if the President has the Senate he probably gets his nominee and if he doesn't, he probably doesn't get it. It's a completely normal function of Democracy.
#15121336
Love the rationalization.

Democracy in the US is over.

And Coleric. Why in the fuck do you continue to troll American Politics. And don't fall back on your old, "I have no class and little education" ploy.
#15121337
Wulfschilde wrote:It sounds rough but that is how the system is intended to work; if the President has the Senate he probably gets his nominee and if he doesn't, he probably doesn't get it. It's a completely normal function of Democracy.

To be more specific, if the president doesn't have the Senate and it's a presidential election year, he probably doesn't get it. And that's not so much a normal function of Democracy as it is of Balance of Power Republicanism.
#15121343
Random American wrote:In this case, it's partisan hypocrisy disguised as a noble virtue.

There's very little in the course of democratic politics that isn't both partisanship and virtue combined to varying degrees. One of the nice things about democratic institutions is that they require politicians to at least try to dress up their partisan posturing in high minded rhetoric, and voters have a chance to see when the curtain is getting a little tattered and threadbare.
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