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They go to demonstrations to guard businesses and their owners. So the defensive angle is there from the outset. Their existence is based on defending. They don't start fights they end them. That's their whole shtick.

And you actually believe that??

[blackjack21]

"There is a lot of member overlap with Proud Boys. There are a lot of people who used to be with Joey Gibson who are now with Proud Boys, and I think vice versa."

— Vegas Tenold, an investigative researcher for the Anti-Defamation League's Center on Extremism

Whatever may be the case with the Proud Boys, the fact of the matter is that most of the many hundreds of Walgreens and CVS' looted and burned this year were looted and burned by Antifa and BLM actors, and the Proud Boys were nowhere near them. So the fake media narrative to try to insinuate that all the violence we've seen this year is because of the Proud Boys is manifestly false. Everyone who lives here knows that already, because we've already seen it with our own eyes. What you see overseas is what the media wants you to see. What you hear is what the media wants you to hear.

[Pants-of-dog]

Actually, a fair amount of the vandalism was caused by white supremacists trying to start a race war.

[Tainari88]

If people have an ethical system that differs in some way from yours, it doesn't imply they have no ethics.


The very concept of a natural order that virtually everyone belonged to didn't even arise until global empires arose. The irony of your position is that it is a product of imperialism, or perhaps a byproduct of imperialism. Anthropology as a study was promoted by the imperial system, because they wanted to know as much about the world they intended to rule over. That's principally what diversity and inclusion is all about--it's about diversity and inclusion of different peoples, but very definitely NOT diversity and inclusion of different ideological positions.

Do you think I think Trump and the imperialists are ethical? They are the most unethical humans in the world. Lol.

You don't understand much BJ. Natural orders are not by-products of imperialism. The natural order exists with or without human beings being a part of it. The planet existed before humans were here and it will exist if we go extinct. Anthropology started off a tool of empires but in the end, the people being studied eventually became part of the field. You should understand ruling over and destroying people is not what the gathering of knowledge about the behavior of humans is about BJ. Ruling over and destroying societies who don't conform to globalist capitalistic shit systems is what POLITICAL SCIENCE and ECONOMIC HEGEMONIC EMPIRES are about.

I separate the two. You should too. There are many forms of political and social and economic forms of organizing human societies. The problem becomes predatory forms of capitalism that wants the entire world to consume Coca-Cola, and watch Hollywood films. They want a generic standardized form of marketing products and services so they can expand and encompass all possible markets. They are doing the same with the Social Dilemma situation.

Again, the question is? What do they hope to gain from that in the end? Analyze it for intention. For the core of purpose of manipulation. Manipulating and forming for what purpose? Is it to create depressed, disconnected humans? Yes or no? Why?

I am against the alienation of mankind/womankind. I don't think it is good. Do you think it is good? @blackjack21 aka Relampaguito.

[annatar1914]

Actually, a fair amount of the vandalism was caused by white supremacists trying to start a race war.

A lot of White Liberal ''Charlie Manson'' types out there, with their own form of white supremacy of the paternalistic sort.

[Tainari88]

A lot of White Liberal ''Charlie Manson'' types out there, with their own form of white supremacy of the paternalistic sort.

White liberals are racists as well. They just hide it better.

[Finfinder]

Actually, a fair amount of the vandalism was caused by white supremacists trying to start a race war.

Are speaking about white supremacist in Canada?

[annatar1914]

White liberals are racists as well. They just hide it better.

Yes, and they'd kill whites and blacks alike in order to do so; ''hide it better''. I have no use for them and their delusions.

[Sivad]

White liberals are racists as well.

lol

[Sivad]

A lot of White Liberal ''Charlie Manson'' types out there, with their own form of white supremacy of the paternalistic sort.

They're not racists, they're cynical opportunistic identity hustlers exploiting race for political advantage. They've been doing it for going on 200 years and they're not exactly subtle about it. They used to demonize the blacks to get the poor white vote, now they demonize the lower class whites to get the minority vote and use them as pawns in the class war. They use black people and minorites as political pawns. They even write crazy hate literature against lower class whites. They call us deplorables, bitter clingers, nazis, fascists, racists, rape culture misogynists, xenophopic bigots, homophobes, white supremacists, etc. It's class warfare waged against working poor whites by the upper 20% professional managerial class yuppies. At this point anyone who can't see this bullshit for what it is, is either trained stupid( "educated") or just natural stupid.

[Pants-of-dog]

Are speaking about white supremacist in Canada?

That should be clear from the context of the preceding posts.

[annatar1914]

They're not racists, they're cynical opportunistic identity hustlers exploiting race for political advantage. They've been doing it for going on 200 years and they're not exactly subtle about it. They used to demonize the blacks to get the poor white vote, now they demonize the lower class whites to get the minority vote and use them as pawns in the class war. They use black people and minorites as political pawns. They even write crazy hate literature against lower class whites. They call us deplorables, bitter clingers, nazis, fascists, racists, rape culture misogynists, xenophopic bigots, homophobes, white supremacists, etc. It's class warfare waged against working poor whites by the upper 20% professional managerial class yuppies. At this point anyone who can't see this bullshit for what it is, is either trained stupid( "educated") or just natural stupid.

Well, i'm sure you have the ''idealistic'' Charles Manson types out there, or rather they see themselves as like 'Atticus Finch' in 'to kill a mockingbird' but are more like Charles Manson. Either way they're dangerous and deluded and being used by others.

[Unthinking Majority]

Trump is pretty dumb, so i kinda believe he doesn't know much about them, like most people. I'm sure he's heard of them, like most people.

If you watched the debate he was trying to disavow them but did it in a dumb way that just sounds bad. He wasn't trying to support them, he was trying to denounce them, it just came out of his mouth badly when he added "stand by".

If he knew what the Proud Boys were I would think he'd support them. They basically support being "proud" of being white and male and nationalist westerners in an age when many are made to feel guilty for it. They also seem paramilitary-ish and attract young d-bag conservatives like islamaphobes and the like.

[Beren]

it just came out of his mouth badly when he added "stand by".

If he knew what the Proud Boys were I would think he'd support them.

He added "stand by" because he meant to be supportive of them. If he knows what they are he considers them losers, by the way.

[blackjack21]

Do you think I think Trump and the imperialists are ethical?

I'm speaking about the Spanish, Portuguese, British, French and Dutch empires, and to a lesser extent the Russian empire. I'm not talking about post-WWII globalism.

You don't understand much BJ.

Yes. I'm very, very stupid. I can barely write my own name. All people who don't subscribe to socialism are very, very stupid.

Natural orders are not by-products of imperialism.

Awareness of the larger natural order and your place in it is most certainly a part of imperial exploration and exploitation. Much of the "We are the world" sentiment comes from the imperial space programs of the US and Soviet Empires and pictures of the Earth from space.

The natural order exists with or without human beings being a part of it.

And it exists without human beings realizing it or not, and whether or not they all decide universally to adopt a single political-economic system based on egalitarian economics and solidarity.

The problem becomes predatory forms of capitalism that wants the entire world to consume Coca-Cola, and watch Hollywood films.

Coca-cola and films are hardly predatory. Having Chinese kids make your shoes, or women who have already had one child make your iPhone is predatory.

They want a generic standardized form of marketing products and services so they can expand and encompass all possible markets.

I don't worry too much about this. Hollywood is destroying itself with "woke" culture and subservience to China. They either need to bifurcate movies for the Chinese market and for the rest of the world, or they can get destroyed. Movie receipts are falling these days.

Do you think it is good? @blackjack21 aka Relampaguito.

No. That's why I think screwing up the establishment's plans is fun and exciting.

Are speaking about white supremacist in Canada?

Perhaps Canadian Gavin McInnes is what he's talking about.

If you watched the debate he was trying to disavow them but did it in a dumb way that just sounds bad. He wasn't trying to support them, he was trying to denounce them, it just came out of his mouth badly when he added "stand by".

He did it to piss off the left, which he did very successfully. Trump is not stupid. Watch what happens to Chris Wallace's career in the post-debate world. Wallace shot Trump in the foot, but he shot himself in the head to do it. Like Megyn Kelly, his career is going to flounder now.

If he knew what the Proud Boys were I would think he'd support them.

He'd do exactly what he's doing--play dumb about the Proud Boys and condemn Antifa. He's fooled you. Getting your adversaries to think you're dumb is a genius move.

[Finfinder]

Funny thing is no one pretending to believe this fake narrative can make any kind of policy argument to prove your propaganda. Exactly what other than your soft snowflake skin and soft hurt feelings and twisting words is there to prove your pretend outrage.

[Unthinking Majority]

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He'd do exactly what he's doing--play dumb about the Proud Boys and condemn Antifa. He's fooled you. Getting your adversaries to think you're dumb is a genius move.

He straight up doesn't give a fuck. He took a motorcade ride around Walter Reed to show he's not on his deathbed, meanwhile infecting the secret service dudes in the car with him. That's pretty dumb, and shows he straight up doesn't give a fuck. And he lies a lot, but he lies while winking at the same time.

And yes he'll do things that work out magically good. But don't give him too much credit. The guy doesn't read shit, he doesn't read the daily briefings etc., what he knows about Proud Boys he probably heard on twitter or FOX News, which is to say he doesn't know shit. He's a dumb arrogant blowhard with amazing self-promotion and negotiation skills. He's also has hilarious and epic troll skills. That about sums up his skill-set.

[Tainari88]

I'm speaking about the Spanish, Portuguese, British, French and Dutch empires, and to a lesser extent the Russian empire. I'm not talking about post-WWII globalism.

I don't think empires in human history do well in the bigger picture. You do. A deep deep rift in thought process between you and I.


Yes. I'm very, very stupid. I can barely write my own name. All people who don't subscribe to socialism are very, very stupid.

The way you write about imperialism is the thing. It is not the thing. I am glad you realize socialism is very important. You should study it a lot more than you do. If you don't? You will continue to think your way is the only way as most nationalistic types think. Which is very very circumscribed and small. Nationalism of your type is not some great international solution. It never will be BJ. Why is that so hard for you to accept? I don't know. Maybe it is the same thing as accepting the Democratic Party of the USA has changed philosophies over time. You can't accept that. Who knows why? Eres un terco.

Awareness of the larger natural order and your place in it is most certainly a part of imperial exploration and exploitation. Much of the "We are the world" sentiment comes from the imperial space programs of the US and Soviet Empires and pictures of the Earth from space.

I don't think that way about human achievements. For you it is just some men and imperialistic assholes who make history in the world. I never thought that way. The number zero is very instrumental in achieving space exploration. Who invented it? The Mayan civilization. The concept of the absence of value. Some ancient indians did it. Then you got position based math. Arabic. You start dealing with all the contributions of the entire human race that goes into some concept that is advanced and you find out it is not about some imperialistic assholes who waste money on wars and think highly of themselves BJ. It is about people who are never given any credit for their struggles in life because the ones who have the violent behavior and enormous egos want them to live in the shadows and never be acknowledged. It is not new in history. The pillaging types always erase the accomplishments of the competition because their egos are fragile and evil in general. Reminds me of many modern politicians Senor BJ.


And it exists without human beings realizing it or not, and whether or not they all decide universally to adopt a single political-economic system based on egalitarian economics and solidarity.

Most human progress happens because circumstances change and so do systems. They run out of steam or usefulness over time and they have to be replaced. That is what happens with human life experience. You aren't the same as when you are young 75 years after you lived a full life. Change is endemic to this world. That is why I think the word conservative is for people holding on to things that were meant to change and die off. They will continue to fail to change in time. That is their destiny for failing to understand the nature of the world they live in. Their lack of ability to see others as equal in human quality to them is their major blindness. Their failure to find common ground in their own species is also supremely unwise and ignorant. But let them live and learn.

Coca-cola and films are hardly predatory. Having Chinese kids make your shoes, or women who have already had one child make your iPhone is predatory.
Where do you think corporate thoughts come from? Standardizing exploitation for all things.


I don't worry too much about this. Hollywood is destroying itself with "woke" culture and subservience to China. They either need to bifurcate movies for the Chinese market and for the rest of the world, or they can get destroyed. Movie receipts are falling these days.

More and more production is becoming independent production companies BJ. The world of filmmaking is changing for the better. More diverse and less corporate with time. It is a good thing. Who knows though what happens to a lot of creative art forms if everything is monitored by Big Brother? I like diversity in art. I don't know about you? You liked Desafnado.


No. That's why I think screwing up the establishment's plans is fun and exciting.
To replace it with what? I am unconvinced you have given the replacement society much of your time BJ. I think you need to [b]batir ese chocolate a lot more. Pero quizas no sabes batirlo eh?[/b]

Perhaps Canadian Gavin McInnes is what he's talking about.

I think @ingliz is quite knowledgeable about him eh? He seems to like beating you up verbally with the McInnes dude. I find it quite amusing.


He did it to piss off the left, which he did very successfully. Trump is not stupid. Watch what happens to Chris Wallace's career in the post-debate world. Wallace shot Trump in the foot, but he shot himself in the head to do it. Like Megyn Kelly, his career is going to flounder now.

trump is going to have to wind up confessing how many bludners he has committed over his long lifetime. It won't be favoring him over time BJ. He is bound to be the world's most terrible statesman. Hee hee.

He'd do exactly what he's doing--play dumb about the Proud Boys and condemn Antifa. He's fooled you. Getting your adversaries to think you're dumb is a genius move.

He is reckless and impulsive and also ego-driven and incredibly bad. Unthinking majority really described his failures well. He sucks in every way. But you see him as a useful tool to destroy the establishment. I see him as a conman and a racist, caricature of failures of all sorts. He is a human being unfit to lead anyone. Not even himself.

Lo que la gente acepta para ganar en este mundo? No vale la pena.

[blackjack21]

I don't think empires in human history do well in the bigger picture. You do. A deep deep rift in thought process between you and I.

They cast a very tall shadow. You don't speak Spanish, hail from Puerto Rico and call yourself Tainari if the Spanish Empire didn't exist to make that so. I don't have family in the US, Canada, Ireland, England, and Australia and speak American English without the British Empire. Empires rise and fall, but their legacies echo for centuries thereafter.

The way you write about imperialism is the thing. It is not the thing.

It's the thing; it's not the thing. Hmmm... Is this one of those cases where being a woman means you get to hold both sides of the argument?

You will continue to think your way is the only way as most nationalistic types think.

I don't think it is the only way. It think it is the best way at this time. I'm not a fan of the globalists. I'm not a fan of the lockdowns. You don't like Donald Trump, fancy him a dictator, but ignore someone like Governor Whitmer where the Michigan Supreme Court strikes down her edicts as unconstitutional and she flouts the Supreme Court. I don't think you are that troubled by dictatorship. You get upset if I express apathy towards people a long way away from me. How do you feel about Azeri's and Armenians fighting again? Close to me? Well, it hits San Francisco too. I was on the boat this weekend with two police officer friends and they began talking about the Armenian church that got burned down in the Laurel Heights neighborhood.

Nationalism of your type is not some great international solution.

It's a persistent reality; otherwise, ethno nationalities that flee places like Azerbaijan and Armenia to go to America don't start fighting in America against each other. You can pretend these problems don't exist, but they do.

Why is that so hard for you to accept?

I don't accept the idea that we can all sit down, hash out what we think is a reasonable solution, and expect everyone to abide by it. Humans are mammals, mammals are social, mammals are animals, mammals are territorial. The leftist/progressive/whiggish ideal is that progress is unidirectional and society evolves to better and better situations; yet, history is replete with stories where that does not happen. Why is it that debates with socialists always devolve into semantic arguments about the meaning of socialism, the inevitability of socialism, and the argument among socialists that socialism has never been tried (true socialism, that is)? After living enough life, one starts to question that "presentation" of systems, rhetoric, etc. It's why I can dispatch with egalitarianism when everything in my society tells me that such a notion is wrong. It's not that I think we should implement a class system. It's precisely because I think that such a system exists rather naturally, and you think it is exclusively a function of the political system.

Maybe it is the same thing as accepting the Democratic Party of the USA has changed philosophies over time.

People can just form a new party. A party apparatus is just a corporation. There is no need to preserve the old party trappings if you fundamentally disagree with what it used to be. The Democrats became a welfare state party, but they never became truly anti-racist. They get people to participate in their own self-destruction. Black Lives Matter is a perfect example:

How Black Lives Matter’s Antagonism To Marriage And Family Hurts Black Americans

BLM seeks to dismantle the very institution that research consistently shows is most likely to aid and empower black Americans: the natural family.
...
Black Lives Matter — the organization, not the irrefutably true statement — has taken center stage in the necessary debate on race today, overshadowing others like the NAACP and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.

The Democrats are the most venal and cynical people imaginable. Other than the communist party, I can't think of many people I would consider more spiritually vacuous than America's Democrat Party.

What are all these riots about these days? Police brutality? Where? Cities. Run by whom? Democrats. It's not Republicans that run these places. It's Democrats. It's almost exclusively Democrats, and for two generations in most cases. In some cases, like Atlanta, you have to go back to Reconstruction 141 years ago to find the last Republican mayor of Atlanta. In NYC, you can go back to Giuliani, because New York was frankly a dangerous place before Giuliani; and, it's becoming dangerous again. There was a two term Republican mayor of LA after the riots following the Rodney King beating. Who was mayor then? Tom Bradley--black and Democrat. It's undeniable.

What makes Trump great is that he calls it out--of course, after people like me point it out year after year. However, what I'm saying is true. You can't really dispute it, so you keep side stepping it.

For you it is just some men and imperialistic assholes who make history in the world.

Maybe read "Algorithms to Live By"? Exploration/Exploitation is an individual human algorithm, with exploration being much more common among the young and exploitation much more common among the mature. However, I do not expect you to comprehend it, because I don't think you can grasp a term like "exploitation" in anything but a Marxian sense. Think of an empire as organizational behavior, and an organization as just a group of individuals. I don't think you are stupid, but you make the assumption I don't understand much, because I don't come to the same conclusion as you. I don't think the world has to go my way.

When Bradley Manning and Edward Snowden were leaking about massive collection of data, I was working on mass storage systems beginning at the petabyte scale. I was very cynical about it. Human nature isn't all it's cracked up to be. My new cell phone has more computing power than all the computers in the world in 1980, and a better camera than the best spy satellite in 1980, and a better, smaller and cheaper GPS receiver than any military GPS receiver in 1980. Yet, what do people do with these things? Do we have a cure for coronavirus yet? Cancer? No. We do have the ability to take a picture of our cats and upload them to platforms that can easily transport them around the world in the blink of an eye. We have plenty of pornography too. That's human nature. It's utterly mind blowing that you could store tens of thousands of music albums on something that fits in your pocket; yet, does that portend a generation of kids with exquisite taste in music? I don't even think I need to probe that vein of inquiry further...

The number zero is very instrumental in achieving space exploration. Who invented it? The Mayan civilization. The concept of the absence of value. Some ancient indians did it.

The ancient Egyptians had it in their accounting systems by 1770 BC without any known circumnavigation to Mayan settlements--although, both had a propensity for building pyramids.

Then you got position based math. Arabic. You start dealing with all the contributions of the entire human race that goes into some concept that is advanced and you find out it is not about some imperialistic assholes who waste money on wars and think highly of themselves BJ.

I could be wrong, but I think people who build pyramids as monuments to themselves and probably use tons of slave labor in building them might be considered "imperialistic assholes," whether they are Egyptian or Mayan.

It is about people who are never given any credit for their struggles in life because the ones who have the violent behavior and enormous egos want them to live in the shadows and never be acknowledged.

Oh really? Is that why computers use "Algorithms" as in Al Kwarizmi? Or that our high schools teach "Algebra," as in Hisab al Jabr W'al Muqaballah?

The pillaging types always erase the accomplishments of the competition because their egos are fragile and evil in general.

You mean those pillaging Arabs like Queen Zenobia of Palmyra attacking Alexandria? It sure is shit isn't the British, who went out of their way to preserve so much of antiquity--even finding the Rosetta Stone and giving us a basis for understanding hieroglyphics.

They run out of steam or usefulness over time and they have to be replaced.

Yes. I think the post WWII technocracy has run out of steam.

An asshole like Joe Biden says, "If you can go down 3000 ft into a coal mine, you can learn how to code." Not really. You need to have a very disciplined mind to be able to code. I've seen attempts to learn it bring grown men to tears. Yet, we have millions of people who know how to do it now. The problem with that is that anyone who can make the leap out of ideology and into empiricism knows that politicians of all stripes are frequently lying. The more I grew technically, the less I could tolerate being a Republican. George W. Bush and Nancy Pelosi brought us the TSA and "airplane mode" on cellular phones. Al Gore at once helped to open up China to global trade and the biggest increase in CO2 output in human history, while at the same time complaining about the dangers of climate change. It is realizations like that which make Donald Trump appealing compared to the establishment.

That is why I think the word conservative is for people holding on to things that were meant to change and die off.

Usually, they are conserving useful institutions, and sometimes collective identities.

That is their destiny for failing to understand the nature of the world they live in.

Something tells me you aren't speaking of the Mayans, and their civilization dying off. That can only be explained by "imperialistic assholes." Right?

The world of filmmaking is changing for the better. More diverse and less corporate with time. It is a good thing.

I'm not so sure. There is something to be said for high culture. A kid today in a bedroom with a laptop, a microphone, a synthesizer and maybe a few other analog instruments can out produce anything the Beatles could do at the height of their powers, and far more cheaply. Yet, the popular music of today is sterile, quantized, pitch corrected and formulaic to the point of being unartistic. Yet, it's very well produced--even in a kid's bedroom.

Unfortunately, that even happens in high capital productions at scale. Take Disney's purchase of the Star Wars franchise, and how they ruined it with The Last Jedi by introjecting a bunch of "woke" political bullshit into a storyline. The music was great. The special effects marvelous. Great cinematography. Yet, they completely ruined the story. They did the same thing to Mad Max. It's a shame that something as banal as Ford versus Ferrari becomes the more interesting film.

Small independent films. Yeah. Yet, a once natural outlet for that like YouTube has become a hopelessly "woke" political outlet.

Who knows though what happens to a lot of creative art forms if everything is monitored by Big Brother?

It's not that it's just monitored, it is captured, bought and paid for and pressed into the service of the establishment. That's why Star Wars movies are just shit now. When George Lucas was an independent filmmaker, he struggled to get his movies made. A lot of his personal struggles were reflected in those movies, like The Empire Strikes Back. What does Star Wars represent now? Contrived globalist culture with the needs of globalist corporations woven into the mix.

I like diversity in art.

But not in political views...

I don't know about you? You liked Desafnado.

Yes. You're surprised I know about Stan Getz, Joao Gilberto, Astrud Gilberto, Antonio Carlos Jobim, etc. You would be surprised to know that I usually go to at least a few symphonies a year. Michael Tilson Thomas (retired) was a big fan of Stravinsky, Mahler, and others. I used to love watching and listening to Midori Goto play. Here's an example:

Yet, I'm just as happy at an AC/DC concert.

Call me racist all you want. I've never been a fan of hip-hop/rap. Yet, I'm a big fan of blues, jazz, ragtime, etc.

To replace it with what? I am unconvinced you have given the replacement society much of your time BJ.

I don't think the rudiments of capitalism are wrong, anymore than I think the rudiments of a base-10 numeral system, or the Roman alphabet need replacing. I just think the current ruling class needs replacing, as they are too authoritarian, too dishonest, too under-accomplished, too unaccountable, and generally too insufferable.

I think @ingliz is quite knowledgeable about him eh? He seems to like beating you up verbally with the McInnes dude. I find it quite amusing.

I find it amusing too, but for different reasons. The Proud Boys are insignificant. Antifa, by contrast, has wreaked billions in damages with the blessings of the urban Democrat political machine.

He is bound to be the world's most terrible statesman. Hee hee.

I really don't think he will be regarded that way. The establishment hated Reagan, but he cast a long shadow. Between Reagan and Trump, the only president we've had in that time that had a significant societal impact was Clinton, and he is sadly remembered primarily for his scandalous behavior. Trump already has significant peace treaties, and a booming stock market.

But you see him as a useful tool to destroy the establishment.

Opposition to Trump is too extreme, and is destroying the establishment by itself. Ted Cruz had a remarkable retort to Andrew "Fraedo" Cuomo.

Policy wise, Trump is a bog standard politician except for his positions on illegal immigration, trade, and interventionist warfare. Trump would be fine to implement a government-run health care system, but he's serving as a Republican and can't do it. Trump was fine with gay marriage mandated by the Supreme Court. Trump was fine with Gorsuch giving Title IX protections to transgenders. Practically speaking, he's not a movement conservative, but he actively represents movement conservatives because it allowed him to win the White House and he desperately needs them to win again. It is frankly remarkable that Trump became president. It's remarkable that Obama did too. Obama was a false hope for leftists, and Trump is a bit for conservatives too. However, the establishment is struggling mightily now, because it has turned on the US electorate; and the US electorate wised up and is repaying them in kind. They should be getting kicked in the proverbial crotch. You know I'm no fan of AOC's politics, but I was the first on PoFo to point out her significance.

It's remarkable that someone like John Boehner quit. It's remarkable that someone like Paul Ryan quit. It's remarkable that someone as ineffectual as Nancy Pelosi clings to power, as a new generation spits in her face. They never thought that sowing the seeds of discord would come back to bite them, but it has.

[Sivad]

Are speaking about white supremacist in Canada?

PoD is always speaking about white supremacists. Sometimes the ones in Canada and sometimes it's other ones but he never takes his eye off the ball.

You make me sick, Finfinder, you goddamn white supremacist son of a bitch.