[B0ycey]

@Oxymoron seems to be claiming that the shooter was justified in killing ten people if the victims were rude to him.

It is worse than that. He is actually claiming we should respect him.

[B0ycey]

You two know exactly the point Oxy is trying to make, stop being difficult

I don't actually. He was trying to get out of something someone said about him and made the point worse.

That is just PoFo all over. Users would rather sound silly than just admit they messed up or got things wrong.

[Oxymoron]

I don't actually. He was trying to get out of something someone said about him and made the point worse.

That is just PoFo all over. Users would rather sound silly than just admit they messed up or got things wrong.

Firstly I never said anything about respect, I mentioned common courtesy. Yet respect is applicable as I stated, example again when you say you "respect" Someone's punching power, which means you stay away from this punch. When people are armed you act with more respect, and by default that creates a more respectful society. Respect and Fear are two sides of the same coin. Check out Jordan Peterson about this topic, about what makes a good man.

[ingliz]

Check out Jordan Peterson about this topic, about what makes a good man.

Why should I be looking to the vacuous words of a fascist apologist for moral guidance?

[Pants-of-dog]

Firstly I never said anything about respect, I mentioned common courtesy. Yet respect is applicable as I stated, example again when you say you "respect" Someone's punching power, which means you stay away from this punch. When people are armed you act with more respect, and by default that creates a more respectful society. Respect and Fear are two sides of the same coin. Check out Jordan Peterson about this topic, about what makes a good man.

This seems like wishful thinking. But even if we assume this is true, how does this relate to the topic?

Are you arguing that the mass shooting was due to disrespect?

[Oxymoron]

This seems like wishful thinking. But even if we assume this is true, how does this relate to the topic?

Are you arguing that the mass shooting was due to disrespect?

I was responding to someone's post, not specifically to the mass shooting.
As far as the terrorist attack by an Islamist, this has to do with weak foreign policy of Obama, and letting these Losers into our country.

[Oxymoron]

Why should I be looking to the vacuous words of a fascist apologist for moral guidance?

LOL what a bonehead way to describe Jordan Peterson... Fascist apologist? Please provide some evidence of this, I expected more from you then that knee jerk post.

[Pants-of-dog]

As far as the terrorist attack by an Islamist, this has to do with weak foreign policy of Obama,

1. There is no evidence that the shooter was religious.

2. Unless Obama has secret time travelling powers, it is impossible for him to have crafted immigration policy in 2002, when the suspect immigrated.

and letting these Losers into our country.

You should be more polite since they are armed.

[Oxymoron]

1. There is no evidence that the shooter was religious.

2. Unless Obama has secret time travelling powers, it is impossible for him to have crafted immigration policy in 2002, when the suspect immigrated.



You should be more polite since they are armed.

1Yes there is
2 Point is he let more of our enemies in and was weak on Syria

He was not armed till he got there.

[Pants-of-dog]

1Yes there is

Then please present it.

2 Point is he let more of our enemies in and was weak on Syria

No, this is not what you claimed before. This is a new, different, and irrelevant argument.

He was not armed till he got there.

I see. He magically teleported the gun into his possession when he walked into the supermarket, thereby making it all right to be rude about immigrants. That seems to be your logic, which makes no sense.

[Tainari88]

He got a gun in Colorado. That is easy to do. No one questioned his nutty self. Why? Because even nuts have the right to get some automatic weapons and use it if they feel the society doesn't pay attention to their emotional voids. Looke @Oxymoron Qunatico, FBI headquarters there has some scientific studies on these lone wolf shooters. It is not about them being from Syria. That Mesquite Las Vegas shooter in 2017 from Mandalay Bay Hotel massacre was a white guy All American asshole with lots of guns in his house. He was born and bred American.

The reality is that most of these people are alienated. They don't feel connected to others. It is a form of sociopathy. Lack of empathy and lack of ability to understand things which require you identifying with other people's feelings. They lack that chip. They also can be fanatics of some sort of politics or religion or they are thinking that the entire system is against them. Like Timothy McVeigh. A homegrown terrorist. Also right wing and conservative in politics and hated the government a lot. Hated socialism in particular and associated the Social Security administration with socialism that must be destroyed.

Accept that your political group has some nasty ass people in them. It has to do with values and being alienated and not being able to identify with others who they don't know. They are totally absorbed in their own versions of bullshit where they have a right to kill people because their pain or lack of feelings is not accountable to their own sens of responsibility. They have very weak abilities to be able to connect to other peoples rights or feelings or a sense of respect for others. You don't get respect for other people's rights by letting them know you got a gun and they don't and therefore you are right and have rights. That kind of thinking is the opposite of being respectful. It means they live in fear.

Fear of not being worthy of respect unless one is violent or threaten to be violent. One has to wonder where they get their sense of personhood? Weak people emotionally for sure. Many can't establish romantic relationships that last, they fail at primary relationships a lot. Failure to be fully social people.

[Oxymoron]

He got a gun in Colorado. That is easy to do. No one questioned his nutty self. Why? Because even nuts have the right to get some automatic weapons and use it if they feel the society doesn't pay attention to their emotional voids. Looke @Oxymoron Qunatico, FBI headquarters there has some scientific studies on these lone wolf shooters. It is not about them being from Syria. That Mesquite Las Vegas shooter in 2017 from Mandalay Bay Hotel massacre was a white guy All American asshole with lots of guns in his house. He was born and bred American.

The reality is that most of these people are alienated. They don't feel connected to others. It is a form of sociopathy. Lack of empathy and lack of ability to understand things which require you identifying with other people's feelings. They lack that chip. They also can be fanatics of some sort of politics or religion or they are thinking that the entire system is against them. Like Timothy McVeigh. A homegrown terrorist. Also right wing and conservative in politics and hated the government a lot. Hated socialism in particular and associated the Social Security administration with socialism that must be destroyed.

Accept that your political group has some nasty ass people in them. It has to do with values and being alienated and not being able to identify with others who they don't know. They are totally absorbed in their own versions of bullshit where they have a right to kill people because their pain or lack of feelings is not accountable to their own sens of responsibility. They have very weak abilities to be able to connect to other peoples rights or feelings or a sense of respect for others. You don't get respect for other people's rights by letting them know you got a gun and they don't and therefore you are right and have rights. That kind of thinking is the opposite of being respectful. It means they live in fear.

Fear of not being worthy of respect unless one is violent or threaten to be violent. One has to wonder where they get their sense of personhood? Weak people emotionally for sure. Many can't establish romantic relationships that last, they fail at primary relationships a lot. Failure to be fully social people.

What should have happened, is the salesmen should have realized this guys religious persuasions and double checked before selling him the gun, but the PC police would have cancelled the store.

[Pants-of-dog]

@Oxymoron

Please provide evidence for the claim that the shooter was religiously motivated.

[Patrickov]

I have no problem if those lunatics try their shooting skills on politicians, which (statistically) seem to be the most expendable in the society.

But doing it on the ordinary people (except those directly provoking him) is a no-no.

And the likes of @Oxymoron blaming it on immigration policy is as stupid as one can go.

From what the news or Wikipedia depicts the shooter, I start to suspect the likes of @Oxymoron are probably the kind of people more easily to attract fire from such kind of lunatics than others.

You two know exactly the point Oxy is trying to make, stop being difficult

To Hell with that, at least for this case. He has no need to allude anything.

In fact, he's quite blunt in saying "elites (who control the society) are elites for a reason", so why does he need to allude anything else?

[Patrickov]

What should have happened, is the salesmen should have realized this guys religious persuasions and double checked before selling him the gun, but the PC police would have cancelled the store.

PC people will shut them down for more excuses than you think. Don't be so naïve to claim religion being the only possible reason.

On the other hand, this statement of yours seems to be pure speculation.

[ingliz]

Please provide some evidence of this

Will this do?.

Mikael Nilsson, a Swedish historian based in Stockholm, specializing in Hitler and National Socialism, Exposing Jordan Peterson’s Barrage of Revisionist Falsehoods About Hitler, the Holocaust and Nazism.

[Oxymoron]

Will this do?.

Mikael Nilsson, a Swedish historian based in Stockholm, specializing in Hitler and National Socialism, Exposing Jordan Peterson’s Barrage of Revisionist Falsehoods About Hitler, the Holocaust and Nazism.

nice opinion piece with some less then sentence blurbs taken out without any context... yeah this is true journalism, really opened my eyes
Come bro you know this does not prove your point... I mean I can say Ghengis Khan was a brilliant organizer too, even though he killed millions as well. We should be able to discuss Hitler both positive and negative. If those statements were taken in context you would see he is not a fan of Ideology or Hitler.

[Saeko]

So criminals with guns are assholes but guns demand respect? Do you realise you have just said that people with guns are assholes and criminals deserve respect?

Pwnt.

So you REALLY are saying criminals do deserve respect? But the respect is in terms of the power they have. Doesn't sound much better from where I'm sitting. It reads the me that you are trying to dig out of your clear contradiction.

@Oxymoron is talking about Black people.

[ingliz]

this does not prove your point

If you had read the article, you would have seen that it does prove my point.

A Nazi revisionist who consistently exhibits extreme carelessness with facts, Peterson, an academic who declares that he chooses his words "very, very, carefully," misrepresents chronology, misuses his historical sources, and rewrites Holocaust history in a specious apologia for Hitler.





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[SpecialOlympian]

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/boulder-colorado-shooting-3-24-21/index.html

Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa, born in Syria. Definitely not an Islamic jihadist terrorist attack.

The fact that he shot people in public means he's fully assimilated, OP. If anything, this makes him more American than most of the US residents posting in this thread.

Thoughts and prayers to the victims, although I blame them for not being armed because only a good person with a gun can stop a bad person with a gun. The problem is bad people, not guns. Guns can not fail, they can only be failed.

A Nazi revisionist who consistently exhibits extreme carelessness with facts, Peterson, an academic who declares that he chooses his words "very, very, carefully," misrepresents chronology, misuses his historical sources, and rewrites Holocaust history in a specious apologia for Hitler.

Jordan B. Peterson literally doctor shopped his way through the entirety of the western hemisphere until he found a Russian clinic that would allow him to try his radical idea of going cold turkey off of benzos but doing it in medically induced a coma. Something every American and Canadian doctor told him was stupid and that they wouldn't help him with because you can die from going cold turkey on benzos, they are functionally similar to alcohol. He also complains that his life is a constant hell, where he struggles to survive minute to minute and only eats boiled and salted meat because his idiot daughter convinced him this would cure his extreme anxiety that he started taking benzos for because the college he worked at asked him to treat trans people with respect by calling them by their name and chosen pronouns.

One time, he drank a thimble full of apple cider vinegar and it left him in sleepless existential horror for an entire month. He also believes women are chaos dragons attacking the phallic male column of order that holds up the heavens.

Jordan B. Peterson is an immense moron who, in spite of his material success, has dedicated himself to living a miserable life and trying to kill himself. And because conservative ideology is dead and has no intellectual merit all of the idiots on the right want him to be their dad and they buy his self help books so they can be more like him. Because you can be a massive failure of a person on every level, but if you say it's cool to hate Arabs and women idiots will throw money at you because they have been conditioned that the only way to participate in politics is through consumerism.