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Tainari88 wrote:Maybe you love the lack of diversity? I don't think you do in real life. You are a lover of various meals not just the same old thing every day, aren't you?

Of course. I make a mean pad grapraw gai.

Tainari88 wrote:Why do humans like variety in many things? It is more engaging.

It is part of the explore/exploit dynamic. You go out exploring for the berry bush; then, you exploit the bush by picking the berries. It's hard wired into people.

Tainari88 wrote:You have argued about people being better off segregated and separated from each other for a more peaceful and orderly life.

Strictly speaking, I'm not a segregationist. However, in studying business, psychology, sociology, organizational behavior, theories of motivation, etc. were all required topics. There are a lot of interesting things in those topics. People with low IQ and also older people tend to be less resilient to change or diversity.

You chastise me for not speaking other languages. Do you know why I switched from working on mass storage to 5G edge cloud computing a few years ago? I started teaching myself German and machine translating a storage architecture paper I had written from English into German, and showed it to my boss. That was a big red flag to management that I was getting bored and that I was a retention risk. So they looked for a new challenge for me. Someone like me doesn't require much management at all, but I do require challenging subject matter or I get bored. So I'm teaching myself a different language--Golang or Go, because Kubernetes, Docker, Podman and a lot of Operators are all written in Go. They never seem to have any problem with me learning new machine languages.

Tainari88 wrote:No, what must prevail is knowing what peace requires. It requires advanced humane policies, will, and resources being put to good use and not wasted on violence and destruction.

Again, I think it is too simple a statement. If you read "The Last Outpost" by Jake Tapper (CNN dude), it illustrates a combat outpost that was put in a militarily precarious situation, because senior command (nowhere near a battlefield) were trying to "win hearts and minds." Their theory was that building roads and bridges and so forth would do that. So they put US soldier's lives in great peril to that end. Did it work? No. The Taliban pretty much overran their position and only B1s, F-16s and Apaches saved them. Yet, many people died while the US was trying to win hearts and minds.

Read "Hammerhead Six: How Green Berets Waged an Unconventional War Against the Taliban to Win in Afghanistan's Deadly Pech Valley". Again, you've got a really detached high command looking to catch some high ranking Taliban guys, and they get pissed off because the army special forces guys end up winning hearts and minds, but not getting the Taliban people they were hunting for. The author was a special forces captain, and was basically told to run the Pech valley with 50 troops--it's about the size of Connecticut! It's an interesting story, but the first thing he ends up doing is rebuilding a damaged mosque to build trust among the elders. He wears a beard. He's a mormon, so he doesn't drink alcohol and the people in the valley figure he's a muslim. He ends up asking elders to send able bodied young males to participate in patrolling the valley, and that they would be paid. At one point, he asks people to "go get" two suspected militants for questioning. They interpret the order to go and kill them, which they did. They come back and want to be reimbursed for the bullets they used, and learning that they misunderstood the order. The guys are crying and stroking the captain's beard. He's puzzled by it, but he understands that they misunderstood the order. Later, the captain gets attacked by a wild dog, and so he shoots the dog. The bullet goes right through the dog killing it, but ricochets off the rocks and hits a villager in the head, killing him. Total freak accident. The father is furious and wants revenge, death. So the captain goes to meet the father, and sees the anger in his eyes. They dispassionately explain what happened, and the father is still furious. So the captain gets down on his knees, and strokes the father's beard expresses his regret and asks for forgiveness, which totally changes the father's disposition. It goes from extreme Islam requiring a life for a life to him having to give him a hundred pounds of rice and a bunch of goats. Later, he confronts some Afghani police who are about to execute what they think is a Taliban propagandist. He has his interpreter look at the flyers. They are US propaganda. Why were the police ready to execute the guy? They can't read. So that the police save face, the captain yells at the propagandist and tells him that if he wants to do that, he must consult the captain and the police first, or he may face execution. The story goes on, but the nub of it is that he wins the hearts and minds of the Pech Valley. Yet, high command doesn't get the scalp they were looking for, so the special forces are pulled out and replaced with more kinetic combatants. In the end, morale falls apart among the people in the valley.

Watch (or read) 13 Hours about the Benghazi special mission getting overrun. The CIA people are "the best" people educated at Harvard and Yale. It's not just no corazon. They aren't street smart. They're book smart, and way too detached.

You have a point with "corazon," but it goes a lot deeper than that. The special forces guys knew how to get it done, but they had too few resources, and the high command could have thought about augmenting that mission with a secondary force to go hunting for the Taliban leader they wanted. Yet, people who expect 50 men to hold the Pech Valley are clearly thinking in abstractions and not in real world scenarios.

Tainari88 wrote:How does one define being a truly kind, good, intelligent, sharp and wonderful human being that everyone from many cultures goes out and points to as an example to follow? Universal human qualities BJ.

I'm not making an argument against kindness, you understand? I'm just saying the Beatles "All you need is love" is a very nice song written by people whose basic physical needs are already met. Our establishment is far different from what it used to be. FDR's four freedoms were Freedom of Speech (today's Democrats prefer censorship), Freedom of Religion (close the churches, but keep the casinos open), Freedom from Want, and Freedom from Fear (constant negative propaganda about racism, discrimination and end-of-world climate change scenarios). We are ruled by assholes, who have much better manners than Donald Trump.

Tainari88 wrote:That is what is required.

How different are those cultures. Do they let women vote and drive cars? Are they really that different? Or do they just look a little different, speak different languages, spice their foods in different ways but otherwise have similar standards of living? Do you think the Taliban would surrender to your charms? Or would they kill you because you are an infidel woman?
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late wrote:There are none so blind...

I grew up in Latin America. We were not obsessed by trying to find a racial angle to daily life activities. You should try, it is very refreshing and allows for a free conversation where each party is not walking on eggshells about breaking the latest PC rule.
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Pants-of-dog wrote:
If multiculturalism is responsible for gun violence, why are more multicultural cities just as safe as more homogeneous ones?


In high school, he was bullied for being an outsider. The first school shooting in the US was committed by bullying victims who were white in 1999. I remember a Korean American student who was responsible for another school shooting on campus and he was also bullied and mentally ill.

Authorities have yet to share information on a possible motive. His brother, Ali Aliwi Alissa, told CNN earlier this week that he may have mental illnesses, and that he was bullied in high school over his name and for being Muslim. Alissa had become increasingly "paranoid" around 2014, believing he was being followed and chased, according to his brother.

During Thursday's proceeding, Alissa's lawyer, Kathryn Herold, noted that a full assessment of his "mental illness" was needed.

"We cannot begin to assess the nature and depth of Mr. Alissa's mental illness until we have the discovery from the government," she added.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/26/us/b ... index.html
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Julian658 wrote:
I grew up in Latin America. We were not obsessed by trying to find a racial angle to daily life activities. You should try, it is very refreshing and allows for a free conversation where each party is not walking on eggshells about breaking the latest PC rule.



There is plenty of bigotry in Latin America.

But it's also different from the American experience. We get tidal waves of racism, thousands die. Last time millions left the Southern states to avoid being killed.

If Georgia succeeds at bringing back Jim Crow, other states will do the same thing, and it will be hell on Earth.
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Godstud wrote: That would make him 2 years old when he came to USA. Any claims of Islamic extremism fall apart when you realize he's as American as you can get.

Not necessarily.

We've seen the same thing in continental Europe. Those with an Islamic background are more likely to get recruited. There is plenty of Islamic terrorism recruiting going around in certain circles in countries like the US, Canada, and UK now.
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Julian658 wrote:You are comparing a multiethnic nation (USA) with nations that mostly have one ethnicity. How about comparing to individual ethnicities in the USA?


What does being a country that is multiethnic have to do with this topic?

Sounds more like an excuse just to blame black people for high crime, and pretend that white people and/or guns have nothing to do with it.

I can't remember how many times people have been like "if you take black people out of the statistics then you get normal statistics"... as if taking convenient groups out of other first world countries wouldn't reduce crime statistics further.
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B0ycey wrote:"Correlation is not causation"

What about the sun? It seems to me the highest murder nations are sunny considering they come from Africa and South America.

Nonetheless we are assuming that the figures about crime and murder are correct in poor countries. I doubt they have many statisticans. But I will say there is more to murder figures than being poor in any case. I was only highlighting that that being poor is more of a factor than religion in murder given there is a motive there - like stealing. Plus your whole argument is based on a wikipedia table. For me the biggest issue in murder is having the means to kill. Without a weapon you are left with bare hands and that takes a lot of effort. Africa and South America have gang culture so there is your high murder rate right there. I don't expect to see much murder occurring in mud huts within Ethiopia if it helps.


You are free to make your own arguments.

Why not the Sun? Well, right now because you didn't make a case for this.

Having the means to kill? Which countries don't have guns or knives? Those in agriculture have loads of tools for killing. Guns aren't hard to get, the poorest countries on Earth have guns. When I went to Mozambique, third poorest country on Earth, there were guns everywhere, in the hands of the police, but then the police were probably the biggest problem.

Yes, there's an issue with statistics and it's hard to determine what is murder and what isn't. But then again, are you suggesting Christian countries are more likely to report murders than other countries?

As for "gang culture", I'm not sure what you said was based on fact in any way. Do tell about gang culture in Lesotho.
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Frigidweirdo wrote:What does being a country that is multiethnic have to do with this topic?

Sounds more like an excuse just to blame black people for high crime, and pretend that white people and/or guns have nothing to do with it.

I can't remember how many times people have been like "if you take black people out of the statistics then you get normal statistics"... as if taking convenient groups out of other first world countries wouldn't reduce crime statistics further.

I have said nothing about skin color or black people. All I said that it was not good scholarship to compare a multiethnic nation to another nation with just one ethnicity. For the love of God!
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Julian658 wrote:I have said nothing about skin color or black people. All I said that it was not good scholarship to compare a multiethnic nation to another nation with just one ethnicity. For the love of God!


Not good scholarship??

So, your argument is that you can't compare the US to anything because the US has people of different ethnicities.

How's that "good scholarship"?

Why is the ethnicity issue important here?

Why can the US not be compared to other countries? What chemical reactions are happening when black and white people are in the same room together?
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Frigidweirdo wrote:Not good scholarship??

So, your argument is that you can't compare the US to anything because the US has people of different ethnicities.

How's that "good scholarship"?

Why is the ethnicity issue important here?

Why can the US not be compared to other countries? What chemical reactions are happening when black and white people are in the same room together?


Wow, you are looking for a racial angle. The original post was about Christianity and crime.
If you ant to change the subject to crime and racial group that is another discussion.
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late wrote:But it's also different from the American experience. We get tidal waves of racism, thousands die. Last time millions left the Southern states to avoid being killed.

If Georgia succeeds at bringing back Jim Crow, other states will do the same thing, and it will be hell on Earth.

Time to switch to decaf late. The Great Migration was about job opportunities in industrial cities, and leaving the segregated South behind. They were not in imminent danger of being killed. In the South, economic opportunity for blacks were basically in menial or unpleasant jobs. Additionally, as farm machinery improved--like cotton harvesters--sharecropping became unviable too. So they left, just like many Central Americans coming to the "racist" United States of their own free will and accord.

If Georgia succeeds, Atlanta may actually be able to elect a Republican mayor for the first time since 1871. It's time to crush the urban Democrat political machine.
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blackjack21 wrote:Time to switch to decaf late. The Great Migration was about job opportunities in industrial cities, and leaving the segregated South behind. They were not in imminent danger of being killed. In the South, economic opportunity for blacks were basically in menial or unpleasant jobs. Additionally, as farm machinery improved--like cotton harvesters--sharecropping became unviable too. So they left, just like many Central Americans coming to the "racist" United States of their own free will and accord.

If Georgia succeeds, Atlanta may actually be able to elect a Republican mayor for the first time since 1871. It's time to crush the urban Democrat political machine.


This is the new religion of the hard core left and the messiah is Kendi:

Author and historian Ibram X. Kendi claims there’s no such thing as being 'not racist.' He explains that even inaction (simply being ‘not racist’) in the face of racism is, in fact, a form of racism. The idea of an innocent bystander is wishful thinking for Kendi; instead, there’s only racism and antiracism:
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blackjack21 wrote:
Time to switch to decaf late.

The Great Migration was about job opportunities in industrial cities, and leaving the segregated South behind. They were not in imminent danger of being killed. In the South, economic opportunity for blacks were basically in menial or unpleasant jobs. Additionally, as farm machinery improved--like cotton harvesters--sharecropping became unviable too. So they left, just like many Central Americans coming to the "racist" United States of their own free will and accord.

If Georgia succeeds, Atlanta may actually be able to elect a Republican mayor for the first time since 1871. It's time to crush the urban Democrat political machine.



Time to switch to reality.

"For Bryan Stevenson, executive director of the legal nonprofit Equal Justice Initiative, based in Montgomery, Alabama, there is no dispute. As he told told The Marshall Project Wednesday, African-American migration was and is premised more accurately on racial terror:

There are very few people who have an awareness of how widespread this terrorism and violence was, and the way it now shapes the geography of the United States."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-24/the-great-migration-was-about-black-refugees-escaping-terror-not-seeking-jobs

"Robert Smalls then advanced a startling claim: “Since the reconstruction times, 53,000 negroes have been killed in the South.”... Gradually, though, I came to another conclusion: Those sources clearly demonstrate that white Democrats, an electoral minority in every Southern state after the war, engaged in racial terrorism to restore the prewar social order. Despite the imprecision in the records, I found Smalls’ figure to be entirely plausible."
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ ... 180970031/

"When local grand juries failed to take action, Mr. Akerman urged President Ulysses S. Grant to intervene, describing the counties as “under the domination of systematic and organized depravity.” Mr. Merrill said the situation was a “carnival of crime not paralleled in the history of any civilized community.”

In April 1871, President Grant signed the Ku Klux Klan Act, which made it a federal crime to deprive American citizens of their civil rights through racial terrorism. On October 12, 1871, President Grant warned nine South Carolina counties with prevalent KKK activity that martial law would be declared if the Klan did not disperse. The warning was ignored. On October 17, 1871, President Grant declared martial law and suspended the writ of habeas corpus in the same nine counties. Once he did so, federal forces were allowed to arrest and imprison KKK members "
https://calendar.eji.org/racial-injustice/oct/17

Georgia is trying to bring back Jim Crow. No Democrat would be able to win with such blatant corruption. And that would be just the beginning.
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@blackjack21 wrote:
Of course. I make a mean pad grapraw gai.


Hmm. You need to expand your recipe repertoire. 8)


It is part of the explore/exploit dynamic. You go out exploring for the berry bush; then, you exploit the bush by picking the berries. It's hard wired into people.


What is hard wired into people is trying to survive. A lot of European immigrants went back to Ireland, Italy, etc when landing on Ellis Island and living in NYC and other places BJ. A good percentage were not seeing the oppurtunities. What they saw was exploitation and rat infested apartments.


Strictly speaking, I'm not a segregationist. However, in studying business, psychology, sociology, organizational behavior, theories of motivation, etc. were all required topics. There are a lot of interesting things in those topics. People with low IQ and also older people tend to be less resilient to change or diversity.


So where is your excuse Relampaguito? I know you are not low IQ, so why are you so resistent to demographic change in the USA and diversity? California is far and away the most diverse state in the USA. Why live there anymore? The diversity is too much? I think taxes have more to do with it. You implied that the Little Rock nine were doing things that were ultimately a failure and there was no real change. So what is the solution BJ? For white students to go to schools with other white kids with the same background and experiences and Blacks to do the same? For Latino students to do the same? The issue with social mobility BJ in the USA are people born in certain zip codes restricting them to their parents social and economic circles. We are living in segregationist neighborhoods by default. Nothing has really changed. You want to make it more acute? What do you think should happen to kids who are black and so on and test high in the IQ exams? Take them to the gifted white schools so that they understand that as a Black kid with smarts in an all white environment you have finallhy reached equality and parity and respect from the white society who determines who is acceptable or not? You wind up with kids like Bryant Gumbel. Here he is talking about being a pioneer in journalism in the early days of morning talking head conventional corporate TV...




People really are not separate. In any group. Even when it was illegal and dangerous to mix. It still did not really work BJ.

You chastise me for not speaking other languages. Do you know why I switched from working on mass storage to 5G edge cloud computing a few years ago? I started teaching myself German and machine translating a storage architecture paper I had written from English into German, and showed it to my boss. That was a big red flag to management that I was getting bored and that I was a retention risk. So they looked for a new challenge for me. Someone like me doesn't require much management at all, but I do require challenging subject matter or I get bored. So I'm teaching myself a different language--Golang or Go, because Kubernetes, Docker, Podman and a lot of Operators are all written in Go. They never seem to have any problem with me learning new machine languages.


Ay Relampaguito, you sound like Daniel the guy who taught my husband Mandarin Chinese, the guy was a total nerd. He loved learning languages so much he taught himself Klingon. A fake made up Star Trek language. Only 3000 hardcore Star Trek followers in the entire world speak Klingon fluently. Learn and speak well something different to code like stuff. You need to deal with cultures that are not yours by learning the culture and that language to perfection. You might stop thinking you have the right to judge other cultures once you realize that they have a deep love for their own thing and speaking English is not what they see as being the endall of existence in this world. Because it is not. Neither is it being some pureblood Irish/English/German whatever. Let diversity reign and accept it. If you can't? You never really understood the diversity is life premise of the foundation of evolutionary theory or think it has no power or truth in sociology or human culture.


Again, I think it is too simple a statement. If you read "The Last Outpost" by Jake Tapper (CNN dude), it illustrates a combat outpost that was put in a militarily precarious situation, because senior command (nowhere near a battlefield) were trying to "win hearts and minds." Their theory was that building roads and bridges and so forth would do that. So they put US soldier's lives in great peril to that end. Did it work? No. The Taliban pretty much overran their position and only B1s, F-16s and Apaches saved them. Yet, many people died while the US was trying to win hearts and minds.


BJ? Have you ever realized how the Taliban think about American enemy invasive force soldiers in their eyes? You are in their nation and not the other way around at all. The Taliban was one faction in a nation of warring tribes and diversity of conflicts of interest. There is an internal power struggle. Afghanistan was invaded by the French, and others like the English too, the Russians, and the reality is that nations invaded massively with long protracted wars have adapted to war-like conditions. They also are living in lawlessness and unpredictability. They have internal informal and formal networks. Why should they trust a damn thing the American military does for them? Have the USA military respected their sovereignty and their need to control land that their ancestors have occupied for a long time and who wind up being buried there and being part of a society with other circumstances? I read a great book called Three Cups of Tea or something. An American who wanted to establish a school there. His entire cultural process of trying to gain trust in Afghanistani society. It is eye opening. I bet you don't read that. Because the ENEMY is complex and not a cardboard cartoon characterization that you tend to paint the baddies as. Yes, societies in these places can be intolerant, sexist, racist, haters, they can be lovers, warm, nurturing, communal and respectful and full of good decent people too. That is the classic complexity of living a human life BJ. I hope one day you understand that. But if you can't get Puerto Ricans need for certain things? I doubt you are going to do well with other cultures.



Read "Hammerhead Six: How Green Berets Waged an Unconventional War Against the Taliban to Win in Afghanistan's Deadly Pech Valley". Again, you've got a really detached high command looking to catch some high ranking Taliban guys, and they get pissed off because the army special forces guys end up winning hearts and minds, but not getting the Taliban people they were hunting for. The author was a special forces captain, and was basically told to run the Pech valley with 50 troops--it's about the size of Connecticut! It's an interesting story, but the first thing he ends up doing is rebuilding a damaged mosque to build trust among the elders. He wears a beard. He's a mormon, so he doesn't drink alcohol and the people in the valley figure he's a muslim. He ends up asking elders to send able bodied young males to participate in patrolling the valley, and that they would be paid. At one point, he asks people to "go get" two suspected militants for questioning. They interpret the order to go and kill them, which they did. They come back and want to be reimbursed for the bullets they used, and learning that they misunderstood the order. The guys are crying and stroking the captain's beard. He's puzzled by it, but he understands that they misunderstood the order. Later, the captain gets attacked by a wild dog, and so he shoots the dog. The bullet goes right through the dog killing it, but ricochets off the rocks and hits a villager in the head, killing him. Total freak accident. The father is furious and wants revenge, death. So the captain goes to meet the father, and sees the anger in his eyes. They dispassionately explain what happened, and the father is still furious. So the captain gets down on his knees, and strokes the father's beard expresses his regret and asks for forgiveness, which totally changes the father's disposition. It goes from extreme Islam requiring a life for a life to him having to give him a hundred pounds of rice and a bunch of goats. Later, he confronts some Afghani police who are about to execute what they think is a Taliban propagandist. He has his interpreter look at the flyers. They are US propaganda. Why were the police ready to execute the guy? They can't read. So that the police save face, the captain yells at the propagandist and tells him that if he wants to do that, he must consult the captain and the police first, or he may face execution. The story goes on, but the nub of it is that he wins the hearts and minds of the Pech Valley. Yet, high command doesn't get the scalp they were looking for, so the special forces are pulled out and replaced with more kinetic combatants. In the end, morale falls apart among the people in the valley.


It is war BJ. And war and the conditions of war are not normal conditions at all. If they were the soldiers would not suffer from PTSD. In my opinion got to give up on these wars of invasion. The only hearts and minds being conquered are the people who forget about foreign invasions and military force on lands that don't belong to them and committ to integration and love of a productive life serving other humans as their equals in life. Otherwise? The Taliban and the American Invaders have the same agenda and the people will prefer the Devil that they know to the Devil that they don't know. Do you understand that?


Watch (or read) 13 Hours about the Benghazi special mission getting overrun. The CIA people are "the best" people educated at Harvard and Yale. It's not just no corazon. They aren't street smart. They're book smart, and way too detached.

No, I believe their error is underestimating what it takes to conquer old warrior battered cultures. Commitment to nation building. And you got to be willing to do what the Spaniards did in 1521 in Tenotchitlan BJ. They went to the Templo Mayor and they destroyed it. And then they stayed and married and cut their ties to Spain. Their blood coursed through the veins of the new race. The one with committed roots to that new world with new land and new history. Unless the Americans want to become the new Afghanistanis and live there forevermore with their Afghan wives and children they will be forever strangers in a strange land. Either that and or genocide. Which is another immoral act with long term consequences. But there are no shortcuts to nation building. The Americans are not understanding how hard it is. They never did understand it. Too many ideas of war being clean and neat. And it is anything but.


You have a point with "corazon," but it goes a lot deeper than that. The special forces guys knew how to get it done, but they had too few resources, and the high command could have thought about augmenting that mission with a secondary force to go hunting for the Taliban leader they wanted. Yet, people who expect 50 men to hold the Pech Valley are clearly thinking in abstractions and not in real world scenarios.


For me BJ most wars in human history are about fantasies made up by men who don't have to do the dirty and hard task of fighting and conquest. It is a terrible lack of intelligence about human nature.


I'm not making an argument against kindness, you understand? I'm just saying the Beatles "All you need is love" is a very nice song written by people whose basic physical needs are already met. Our establishment is far different from what it used to be. FDR's four freedoms were Freedom of Speech (today's Democrats prefer censorship), Freedom of Religion (close the churches, but keep the casinos open), Freedom from Want, and Freedom from Fear (constant negative propaganda about racism, discrimination and end-of-world climate change scenarios). We are ruled by assholes, who have much better manners than Donald Trump.


Look BJ, this is not about not being realistic. It is about solutions to very difficult problems. I spend a lot of time looking for solutions. I know the political parties in the USA especially the majority parties are not solution based organizations. So the pressure needs to come from outside those structures. What do you think will be effective. Kindness is about getting people to realize the purpose of having a society. What point is there in having societies that are based on greed, waste, fear, despair and competitive and endless egotism and lying images that distort realities lived? Action is what counts in politics. Rhetoric is only useful for dialogue and negotiation between conflicting classes, parties and interests and only if there is hope for change. If not? Action only and with only trusted and consistenly principled actors. Trying to negotiate with sellout liars is a waste of time. Tu comprendes Relampaguito verdad que si?


How different are those cultures. Do they let women vote and drive cars? Are they really that different? Or do they just look a little different, speak different languages, spice their foods in different ways but otherwise have similar standards of living? Do you think the Taliban would surrender to your charms? Or would they kill you because you are an infidel woman?


Hell BJ. You don't understand what an anthropologist does do you? You don't barge in to a foreign society playing judge, jury and executioner BJ. You go in as a stranger with a purpose for being there and by mutual consent. The respnsibility for being understood, communicating and gaining trust with a foreign culture is about suspending judgment and then doing a long and difficult task of dealing with a totally new set of more, and rules and expectations. And once you got that? Making sense of it all. Because in their views? What they are doing is not crazy. It is how they think it has to be done. You weren't cut out for cultural studies BJ. Not at all. You would wind up getting yourself killed.

BTW, Mexicans are too poor to afford cars in general. So even men and women if they could drive can't afford it. I did not learn to drive till I was 34 years old BJ. I could not afford a car. The wealthy are a small fraction of a society. And most people got to live on peanuts in this world.

I would start off with you on trying to live on a dollar a day like these dudes did in Guatemala. Wonder how many women drive in those societies and it is not about restriction for being infidel women. It is about being too poor to have a car and pay for the plates, the maintainance, the gas and the insurance. Lol.

BJ....eres un exagerado eh. :D

Go there guy try it:
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Pants-of-dog wrote:As far as I can tell, there is no evidence showing a correlation between multiculturalism and gun violence.

I agree, the people that kill each other on a regular base in the USA belong to the same tribe.
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Pants-of-dog wrote:And since there is no relationship between ethnic diversity and gun violence, it is stupid to claim that multicultural societies cannot be compared to homogeneous societies.

It depends POD.
a+b+c+d is not the same as a+a+a+a

unless a=b=c=d
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