[Unthinking Majority]

Works better than what we have now, and we wouldn't have a couple million homeless kids... You're taking a static view, those kids will grow up, and the ones that have the stability of housing and schooling have a better chance of turning out normal.

Yes I agree. Most non-assholes (non-GOP lol) want people to have affordable housing and stay out of poverty etc, it's about how to do it. It's like going from one extreme to another.

Another problem is you give away free permanent apartments to everyone who wants one and the 100k people at the border every month becomes 300k. There's 6 billion poor people in the world, you can't save them all.

[Tainari88]

Giving people free everything and then asking them to get some help for their problems (my position) is helping them, it's not putting pressure on them lol. There are many people who genuinely just need a break and a hand, and there's also people who legit would just prefer to freeload and continue self-destruction and have no interest in getting their shit together. You don't seem to understand that last point.

The question for the latter is are you interested in simply feeling sorry for them and giving them charity,, or are you interested in actually helping them?

I have met many very kind women throughout my life who were married to useless addicts who treated them like crap, but they stayed because they felt sorry for them (and sometimes afraid of them unfortunately). These are enablers. You seem like an enabler, but also a very nice person (aside from calling me a heartless sociopath lol). I think you're simply a bit too nice.

No it is not about being an enabler @wat0n it is about my being a medical case manager for about three years working with about 150 HIV positive people who lost jobs due to recurring illnesses being gay, being on drugs being sex workers and being raped, being poor, not graduating from high school, being non-English speaking refugees, etc and having to solve a lot of problems for them. I had people I did not like, people I loved people I admired and people I despised. They all needed human dignity to transform their tragedies into strengths and resiliency. Having a home regardless if they could work full time or not? It gave them dignity, self-respect and security.

You lack education on case management, social work, clinical psychology, and anthropology too. Have you heard of the technique called motivationl interviewing? They cetify you with MINT training. You cope with people facing end stage illnesses, job losses, rape, violence, and trauma. People who go through financial crisis in conjunction with all the issues of telling potential sexual partners that they or you are HIV positive?People who sob in your office? People who threaten to throw themselves off the roof or stab you in the neck? Or who tell you the most humiliating sexual trauma of their lives?

Can't have judgemental callous untrained fools in charge of helping them.

[Julian658]

Did I forget the racism?

My bad, I'll remember to mention it next time.

What??? There is kinship in small nations, that has nothing to do with racism. IN fact Finland had a bottleneck with little Y chromosome diversity that lead to a large number of genetic disorders. IN Iceland young people that date have an app to make sure they are not closely related.

Are you sure you and Godsud are not the same poster?

[Julian658]

But Rule of Law does, which leaves you orbiting a different planet in a galaxy far, far away, space cadet.

Do you favor a law where i am supposed to pay POD's rent?

[late]

Another problem is you give away free permanent apartments to everyone who wants one and the 100k people at the border every month becomes 300k. There's 6 billion poor people in the world, you can't save them all.

They wouldn't qualify.

[late]

There is kinship in small nations, that has nothing to do with racism.

We're not a small nation, and racism is very much the topic.

You're saying we can't do it because we are diverse.

Which only makes sense in if one thinks there are races, inferior ones...

Because if we are one race, we can manage.

You always need better lies, today is no different.

[jimjam]

Giving people free stuff and asking nothing in return is poor form.

Sounds like a same ole same ole Republican "trickle down economics" tax break for billionaires.

i would favor free university for the gifted and not the mediocre students.

And who would be the judge of mediocrity? You? I presume one would be considered "gifted" as long as they were playing the game according to rules set by the ruling class that assured no disruption in the ruling class and distribution of wealth accordingly.

Back in the day I would always ace so called IQ tests. I considered them dumb shit easily seen through. School grades were another story. I was a straight "C" student. I never saw any merit in breaking my ass to get an "A". Life is too short for such a pedantic exercise. I was sent to the "guidance counselor" once who informed me that I was an "under achiever". I just sat there and said nothing. The guy was an obvious stooge. But I thought, "Who the fuck are you to define an "achievement" to me?" Over subsequent years I have "achieved" peace of mind which I seriously doubt ranks as an "achievement" in America's culture of predatory capitalism. I would posit that peace of mind has a higher possibility of being achieved under a system that is more influenced by socialism than the fuck thy neighbor ethos that prevails under predatory capitalism.

Here my friend is a New Orleans street band comprised of a random association of like minded persons so poor that they would sleep in fields. IMO they give a helluva lot more back to society that any of Fat Donald's billionaire buds feasting on another billion sent their way via the latest Republican tax give a way ….. only the rich need to apply. They sure as hell contributed to my peace of mind and …… it didn't cost me a dime.
https://youtu.be/4vPN38j8Zso?list=RDXigSlWve_A0

[Julian658]

Sounds like a same ole same ole Republican "trickle down economics" tax break for billionaires.

Thanks to capitalism this is the most prosperous time in world history.

And who would be the judge of mediocrity? You? I presume one would be considered "gifted" as long as they were playing the game according to rules set by the ruling class that assured no disruption in the ruling class and distribution of wealth accordingly.

Back in the day I would always ace so called IQ tests. I considered them dumb shit easily seen through. School grades were another story. I was a straight "C" student. I never saw any merit in breaking my ass to get an "A". Life is too short for such a pedantic exercise. I was sent to the "guidance counselor" once who informed me that I was an "under achiever". I just sat there and said nothing. The guy was an obvious stooge. But I thought, "Who the fuck are you to define an "achievement" to me?" Over subsequent years I have "achieved" peace of mind which I seriously doubt ranks as an "achievement" in America's culture of predatory capitalism. I would posit that peace of mind has a higher possibility of being achieved under a system that is more influenced by socialism than the fuck thy neighbor ethos that prevails under predatory capitalism.

Having a high IQ is not enough to have success in life. You must also de dedicated and conscientious. Liberals like you are generally very low in conscientiousness and high in disorganization. Sorry things did not work out for you. It is a shame because high IQ is almost 50% of the climb. However, as all left wingers I am quite certain you do not believe in IQ or intelligence.

[wat0n]

Giving people free everything and then asking them to get some help for their problems (my position) is helping them, it's not putting pressure on them lol. There are many people who genuinely just need a break and a hand, and there's also people who legit would just prefer to freeload and continue self-destruction and have no interest in getting their shit together. You don't seem to understand that last point.

The question for the latter is are you interested in simply feeling sorry for them and giving them charity,, or are you interested in actually helping them?

I have met many very kind women throughout my life who were married to useless addicts who treated them like crap, but they stayed because they felt sorry for them (and sometimes afraid of them unfortunately). These are enablers. You seem like an enabler, but also a very nice person (aside from calling me a heartless sociopath lol). I think you're simply a bit too nice.

Another problem is that having no strings attached can delegitimize the program in the long run if there's a perception that there's rampant free riding going on.

Ideally the program should be geared towards giving recipients the tool to become as self-sufficient as possible. That definitely means some strings should be attached.

[Unthinking Majority]

No it is not about being an enabler @wat0n it is about my being a medical case manager for about three years working with about 150 HIV positive people who lost jobs due to recurring illnesses being gay, being on drugs being sex workers and being raped, being poor, not graduating from high school, being non-English speaking refugees, etc and having to solve a lot of problems for them. I had people I did not like, people I loved people I admired and people I despised. They all needed human dignity to transform their tragedies into strengths and resiliency. Having a home regardless if they could work full time or not? It gave them dignity, self-respect and security.

I have no issues giving people a free home if they are in need. That is what a social safety net is for. The net catches you when you fall. All I'm saying is that people shouldn't stay in the net indefinitely if they are able, even though it feels like a safe place, which it is. I'm not saying you need to have a job or you'll get kicked out, i'm saying just make an honest effort to your abilities at the time. I don't expect someone suffering from drug addiction to get a job right away, or even look for a job right away, or someone with late stage AIDS or another severe disability to get a job.

You lack education on case management, social work, clinical psychology, and anthropology too.

You're in no position to assume what education, training, or jobs i've had or not had. I've probably spoken to more refugees in a month than you have in your life. I have more formal education on issues of poverty than 99% of the population. You're extremely smug and morally self-righteous.

[Unthinking Majority]

Another problem is that having no strings attached can delegitimize the program in the long run if there's a perception that there's rampant free riding going on.

Ideally the program should be geared towards giving recipients the tool to become as self-sufficient as possible. That definitely means some strings should be attached.

You f**king inhuman sociopathic monster!

[Godstud]

@ingliz You got it wrong. The right to bear arms is as follows:


Homelessness can be solved, but several people on this thread don't want to address it, or even admit the solution(helping them), because it'll destroy their narrative. But they are not, repeat NOT, complete assholes.

[Unthinking Majority]

Back in the day I would always ace so called IQ tests. I considered them dumb shit easily seen through. School grades were another story. I was a straight "C" student. I never saw any merit in breaking my ass to get an "A". Life is too short for such a pedantic exercise. I was sent to the "guidance counselor" once who informed me that I was an "under achiever". I just sat there and said nothing. The guy was an obvious stooge. But I thought, "Who the fuck are you to define an "achievement" to me?" Over subsequent years I have "achieved" peace of mind which I seriously doubt ranks as an "achievement" in America's culture of predatory capitalism. I would posit that peace of mind has a higher possibility of being achieved under a system that is more influenced by socialism than the fuck thy neighbor ethos that prevails under predatory capitalism

@Julian658 is right. You were intelligent but unfocused or undisciplined (some people call lazy) and unwilling or unable to dedicate yourself to academics. That's fine but don't call it anything else. All the other bullshit is just there to protect your ego. "I'm smart but f*** the system", give us a break man. You preferred fucking off.

[Godstud]

@Unthinking Majority Who the fuck are you to judge someone else and how they chose to live? If @jimjam is happy with his life, then fuck you. Are you going to judge me, next?

Not everyone is an "academics" person. Some people are good with people, instead of being good at learning thru texts and documents. EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT.

My school grades sucked.

Predatory capitalism is a reality, whether you want to admit it is, or not.

[late]

If providing unconditional housing creates “a monstrous number of "prima-donna" type citizens” then Finland would have these types of people.

This is not the case.

So, providing unconditional housing does not create “a monstrous number of "prima-donna" type citizens”.

Simple.

Yeah, the Finns are about as far from prima donnas as you can get.

I thought people in Maine were pretty restrained until I learned about the Finns.

A Finnish wife complained to her husband that he never told her that he loved her.

"I told you once, if it ever changes, I'll let you know."

[Unthinking Majority]

@Unthinking Majority Who the fuck are you to judge someone else and how they chose to live? If @jimjam is happy with his life, then fuck you. Are you going to judge me, next?

I'm not saying he isn't happy. I said he is fine to do as he wishes. He can masturbate in a ditch for the rest of his life I don't care. But to blame it on "fuck the system" is bullshit. Momma didn't raise no fool.

[Julian658]

@Unthinking Majority Who the fuck are you to judge someone else and how they chose to live? If @jimjam is happy with his life, then fuck you. Are you going to judge me, next?

Not everyone is an "academics" person. Some people are good with people, instead of being good at learning thru texts and documents. EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT.

My school grades sucked.

Predatory capitalism is a reality, whether you want to admit it is, or not.

That you sucked in school is not a surprise.

[Julian658]

Yeah, the Finns are about as far from prima donnas as you can get.

I thought people in Maine were pretty restrained until I learned about the Finns.

A Finnish wife complained to her husband that he never told her that he loved her.

"I told you once, if it ever changes, I'll let you know."

Hence that is why it is easier to deal with homelessness over there. Finland is not the USA.

[Unthinking Majority]

Hence that is why it is easier to deal with homelessness over there. Finland is not the USA.

Probably helps if your government isn't run by hillbillies and psychopathic gold-hoarders.

[Godstud]

That you sucked in school is not a surprise.

I was unmotivated and didn't care about grades or academic achievement.

I have an IQ of 135. When I applied myself, later, I did well. I effectively retired 13 years ago, at age 40. Are you going to tell me how you got good grades and are still working into your 70s?