@wat0n @Unthinking Majority
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It is indeed, but what happens when they don't learn from them? What happens when, once he gets power, the guy who thinks paying people $2 a day is exploitation eventually becomes corrupt and begins to exploit his own countrymen in one way or another?
Wat0n, what is corruption? We know that corruption has something to do with lack of functionality in a system. It could be values or criminal organizations, it could be abuse of power, and it could be poverty and lack of the ability of people to see their needs being met adequately through the conventional means of making a decent standard of living. Usually they are all related Wat0n. Again, dedicate oneself to a series of things. Good wages, good standards of living, good levels of education, and good health care, housing and development. The sustainable kind and the most balanced. A rigged system where only the wealthy that are always a minority of the population will tend to with more income inequality become increasingly corrupt over time. That is fact. Take a look at this:
Causes
The greed of money, desires. (Capitalism)
Higher levels of market and political monopolization. (Crony-capitalist practices and class dominance of profit).
Low levels of democracy, weak civil participation and low political transparency.(Politicians making it hard for people to vote if they are poor or not helping the democratic process become more inclusive, democracy being undermined by corrupt money influencing the process --[b]Citizens United court decision--in the USA almost half of eligible voters not voting.
Higher levels of bureaucracy and inefficient administrative structures.(No investment in educational, and state systems to keep up with technological demands including updating infrastructures like airports, highways, bridges, roads and so on...the state is starved effectively because the private corporations are gobbling up that part of the public purse).
Low press freedom.( All Fox News and paid or liberal or conservative interests and more eyeballs on shitty stories and making a buck rather than balanced Press with critical questions about society--it is more propaganda instead of fact-based reporting without favoring some elite owner class. The ones who own a smaller and smaller group of media corporations--people lose faith and trust in their reporting. They notice bias and skewed reporting--read Manufacturing Consent by Noam Chomsky, he explains it very detailed and well how they do the lack of free press in the end. It becomes a back the owner's interests period.)
Low economic freedom. (Most people having to work two jobs and two parents working two jobs instead of one well-paid job of an adult that used to be enough for everyone to live on in the family and now both got to bust their ass all day in double shifts and so on to pay the bills and kids vegging out without supervision by loving adult caretakers in front of the TV or computer spending time on video games only and not exercising or building skills that are for the long haul). Bad economic opportunities for most. THE GIG ECONOMY with no benefits.
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@Unthinking Majority you are right to point out what I have thought about deeply. Can six billion poor people all move the USA? No. The socialists like Bernie don't believe in open borders. He never did. It drives desperate cutthroat competition between Central American workers and Mexican rural workers being pushed out by Narcs and low prices for their crops to go and accept shit for wages in farm labor and it undercuts the American manufacturing base. The socialists back no scabs and no replacement with lower paid labor for the American working class. Not having the capitalists happy with lots of cheap labor to live off of and have them killing each other for $7.25 an hour bare minimum jobs or even worse wages with bushels and huge amounts required to get even $5 an hour in these places. So no....the socialists are anti open borders. So am I.
I think the Central Americans need good jobs in their own nations. Good health care, education, housing and so on in their own nation. Not in the USA only. That is inefficient and also inhumane. That is why investing profit not in bullshit things that waste it all, is critical. Invest in building up the economy of these nations to serve the needs of all its people. In their own cultural and historical and familial context. Don't ship out the problems created by class greed and economic imperialist greed to the imperial nation or the class conscious people who truly don't care about their own country and only care about lining their pockets? Those people got to be identified and defeated in elections. And the entire premise of capitalism has to be changed forever. Democratize all the workers productive value and there are a whole lot of solutions to stimulate underdeveloped economies that work very well. You just need the political will and the money for investment to make it work. It works!
As for capitalism being the solution Unthinking. Even to the genius high tech scientists and coders and programmers who dedicated themselves to the trading floor in Wall Street? I just saw a documentary. The brightest minds in technology say shocking things about capitalism Unthinking. They say it is rigged, and it is not a system that will be productive over the long haul. They are the ones who did the instant trading and algorithms for all predictors of success with the stock market. They explain it and interview the most interesting and forward-thinking tech leaders of the entire thing. Their conclusion? Not me the cultural anthropologist non-techy woman living in Mexico.....but they.....people like Haim Bodek and other geniuses there who dedicated their considerable brainpower in math and STEM to making fortunes....have said, "I have no faith in the capitalist system. It is rigged and immoral. Not worth it."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haim_BodekThey call them 'quants' they are math geniuses. He found out the system is rigged and wasn't impressed at how low a bar it was intellectually. He thinks humans should be tackling curing cancer and climate change. Like most people with good brains. Lol. If you keep backing such a system when the most technological and scientific and mathematical say it is a bad system? Not much left to discuss eh?
So? Sorry dude. It sucks. I think it sucks and it is not going to be solving big problems. Dump it is my conclusion.
The Wall Street Code.
The creators say some really important things about this system you pro capitalists keep repeating is great. It is not. Do you have an answer for them? The brainy men with tech skills and who solve very tough problems?
I am just a Fromm humanist socialist, who studies human behavior, artifacts and history over long periods of time. My conclusion says 'we can do better'. The techy dudes who are or made billions with innovation in tech for profit say, 'it is rigged and we can do better."
What is your answer to that?