[wat0n]

@ckaihatsu I fully understand. You are the one who isn't understanding, it would be a great precedent for people like Trump to end up in jail because their associates ratted them out.

[ckaihatsu]

@ckaihatsu I fully understand. You are the one who isn't understanding, it would be a great precedent for people like Trump to end up in jail because their associates ratted them out.

And I'm saying you're *lowballing*, even to the point of arguably *covering* for the right-wing insurrectionists and their supporters, and/or the fascists. It turns out to be a rather large family, doesn't it -- ?

[Unthinking Majority]

Presidents do not go to jail. They get pardoned. They have a get out of jail free card. They can do whatever the fuck they want. #ruleoflaw

[wat0n]

And I'm saying you're *lowballing*, even to the point of arguably *covering* for the right-wing insurrectionists and their supporters, and/or the fascists. It turns out to be a rather large family, doesn't it -- ?

I know that as a Marxist you get hard by thinking about sending people to gulags, but the precedent that if you attempt to pull something like election fraud will get your associates to rat you out would be an excellent one. I want these people to defect, and I want politicians to think it thrice before even attempting to commit fraud.

[ckaihatsu]

I know that as a Marxist you get hard by thinking about sending people to gulags, but the precedent that if you attempt to pull something like election fraud will get your associates to rat you out would be an excellent one. I want these people to defect, and I want politicians to think it thrice before even attempting to commit fraud.

Love the rep, but that doesn't work for the long-term, f.y.i. -- it's only for the interim. My motto is 'Don't be a counterrevolutionary.'

Ultimately there's no state, statist.

[ckaihatsu]

Let me put it *this* way -- that *would* have been a scoring goal if we were still in 2021, right after the coup attempt, but here we are *today*, with all this info now, so shouldn't there be a 'de-Nazification' *here* -- ?

[ckaihatsu]

(I've seen less foot-dragging from the *coroner* -- !)

[ckaihatsu]

[T]he precedent that if you attempt to pull something like election fraud will get your associates to rat you out would be an excellent one. I want these people to defect, and I want politicians to think it thrice before even attempting to commit fraud.

Since the committee was formed last year, it has held one public hearing and repeatedly delayed any further hearings. It has refused to subpoena any Republican lawmakers involved in the coup. Since a federal judge ruled last month that it was “more likely than not” that Trump “attempted to obstruct the Joint Session of Congress” held to certify the election result, which is a felony, the committee has flip-flopped on sending a criminal referral to Attorney General Merrick Garland.

As of this writing, no hearings or business meetings are listed on the committee’s website.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/0 ... v-a23.html

[wat0n]

I'd like the Justice Department to look into this. And the states themselves, NY seems to be gearing to go after Trump directly.

[ckaihatsu]

I'd like the Justice Department to look into this. And the states themselves, NY seems to be gearing to go after Trump directly.

Got a certain timetable in mind -- ?

How about 'No fascists in or around the Capitol (etc.)' -- ?

[wat0n]

I don't know about timetables, but the NY AG is in fact gathering evidence of some tax crimes by Trump.

[Potemkin]

I don't know about timetables, but the NY AG is in fact gathering evidence of some tax crimes by Trump.

Donald Trump is a person of such habitual criminality that he will probably eventually be convicted of something. There is, after all, so much to pick and choose from….

[ckaihatsu]

I don't know about timetables, but the NY AG is in fact gathering evidence of some tax crimes by Trump.

Why go soft on the *charges*, though -- ?

Legally speaking, I think this is more of a *racketeering* (RICO) kind of case.

[wat0n]

Why go soft on the *charges*, though -- ?

Legally speaking, I think this is more of a *racketeering* (RICO) kind of case.

It's possible, but soft charges makes conviction more likely, and a conviction removes him from the presidency.

Then I'm sure the next targets will be his associates, and many may prefer to defect and rat him out on more serious stuff.

[ckaihatsu]

It's possible, but soft charges makes conviction more likely, and a conviction removes him from the presidency.

Then I'm sure the next targets will be his associates, and many may prefer to defect and rat him out on more serious stuff.

Ehhhhhh, ultimately it's a *bourgeois-internal* problem, so I think I'll stay on *this* side of the sinkhole.

[ckaihatsu]

It's not just Trump *alone* -- I think that's the takeaway here. The latest news shows that *many* top Republicans are implicated in the plot, which implies an overall *schism* of authority, and all the things already noted on this thread.

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[ckaihatsu]

$10,000 per day contempt fines against Trump begin Tuesday, NY judge rules

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/26/politics ... index.html


Marjorie Taylor Greene texted Trump chief of staff urging martial law to overturn election

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... 0-election

[ckaihatsu]

Fulton DA faces biggest decision of career as Trump grand jury looms

When the special grand jury finishes its investigation, it will recommend whether Willis should proceed to the next step. That will set the stage for perhaps the most consequential decision of her career: whether to pursue criminal charges against Trump. In the two and a half centuries since the United States was founded, no sitting or ex-president has ever been charged with a crime.

https://www.ajc.com/politics/fulton-da- ... ZJSHL5CCU/

[BlutoSays]

Trump grand jury ending in N.Y. with no charges against ex-president
Manhattan DA says probe isn’t over, but people familiar with the situation cite concerns about witnesses

April 29th, 2022, The Washington Compost

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... jury-over/

[BlutoSays]

Rep. Raskin, Jan 6 Committee Member, says Trump is 'Guilty as Sin' & 'Will Get His Comeuppance.'

Awww, Jamie Raskin has cancer. What a shame.