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By QatzelOk
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Rich wrote:True the Aztecs for example did seem to place less emphasis on voting and more on human sacrifice...

Are you glad that the Aztecs were genocided? Because they did "bad" things, according to European history?

Should all peoples who do "bad" things (according to western history books) be genocided?

Which of the two mainstream parties can provide a guarantee that "bad guys" will be genocided by the USA's "good guy" posses?

Should I buy stock now, or afterwards?
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By Tainari88
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Steve_American wrote:@Rich,
I have seen other reports of new evidence that have convinced me that the experts were wrong. It was in the Old World in Europe before 1492.
I'm not sure of any evidence that it was in the New World before 1492, but it may have been.
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What really killed off a lot of Europeans and still does until this day? Smoking tobacco. Cigarettes, cigars, etc. Any nicotine-based smoking. The Caribbean Indians consumed it and grew it. The Europeans became addicted to it and so did the Asians, Africans, and the entire world. Lung cancer deaths in the sixties, and seventies all were major death rates. Once the campaign against smoking happened and they outlawed cigarette dispenser vending machines and restricted access to smokers in restaurants, hotels, airports, planes, workplaces, parks, etc. Much lower smoker population. Now it is just a bunch of convenience stores, supermarkets with locked glass display cases, and some very restricted cigarette outlets.

But that was the big killer found in the Americas. Tobacco.

The old Marlboro man was a big ad in the 1970s.





They banned cigarette ads, but now they got drugs on tv. For every kind of pharmaceutical industry push ad. Goes to show how where the money is.
By Rich
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ingliz wrote:How do you explain the skeletons, known to have died before 1492, that were found in Italy with damage similar to that caused by congenital syphilis?

I don't, I was merely pointing out that is a view with significant support and that the current state of scholarship doesn't support @QatzelOk's simplicitic moral narrative certainty.
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By QatzelOk
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Tainari88 wrote:Lung cancer deaths in the sixties, and seventies all were major death rates.

Yes, but this is NOT the same type of tobacco, and the air quality of American cities was toxic as well.

Big Tobacco adds so many chemicals to their tobacco that it's hard to determine the exact cause of all those lung diseases. Which is why cigarettes had to be repressed altogether.

Remember "lite" cigarettes? I wonder if Western politicians had thought of subsidizing lite cigarettes (in the 70s and 80s) to please Big Tobacco $$$$ the same way they please Big Auto $$$ by subsidizing electric SUVs today.
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By Potemkin
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Tainari88 wrote:The old Marlboro man was a big ad in the 1970s.

Ironically, he died of lung cancer in 1995. His widow tried to sue Philip Morris, but lost the case.
By Istanbuller
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Now it is up to Kevin McCarthy to bring all parts together to block Biden's agenda despite the very slim majority he got. Maybe he should impeach Biden and DHS secretary to motivate the Republican Party. They should subpoena far-left and controversial Dems.
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It owns that the GOP's take away from being forced to eat a giant bucket of shit is going all in on Hunter Biden's laptop.

This will flop, and hard. The GOP is now just focused on the same dumb bullshit about litterboxes in class rooms and shit your weird uncle who you don't want around your children won't shut up about on Facebook.

America: "We are worried about inflation. We want student loan relief. Medicine is too expensive."

The GOP: "We are proud to announce we have formed a committee to free the mole children under NYC Central Park."
By late
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Istanbuller wrote:
The most important thing January 6 committee will be gone. Donald Trump is free like birds now.



If you were familiar with the way the Justice Dept works, it looks like Trump will be charged under the Espionage Act...
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@late

He should be charged under the Espionage Act. The rest of us would. But don't underestimate the fact that just because he is a rich white man, he could get a free pass that the rest of us would not get. You see double standards in our justice system. Two separate justice systems. One for the rich and one for the rest of us.
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By MadMonk
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Politics_Observer wrote:@late

He should be charged under the Espionage Act. The rest of us would. But don't underestimate the fact that just because he is a rich white man, he could get a free pass that the rest of us would not get. You see double standards in our justice system. Two separate justice systems. One for the rich and one for the rest of us.


Even rich white men would have been prosecuted and sentenced as an 'Enemy of the State' for far less than what he skates on. He has survived this far because he's a 'Messiah* and the true American leader for 25-30% of your population. He has been protected by the Republican party, which went off the rails a long time ago.

The Republicans must lose badly in 2024 for the party to veer back towards sanity. Hell, even a small step like dumping Marjorie Taylor Greene off a cliff would be an improvement.
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By BlutoSays
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MadMonk wrote:Even rich white men would have been prosecuted and sentenced as an 'Enemy of the State' for far less than what he skates on. He has survived this far because he's a 'Messiah* and the true American leader for 25-30% of your population. He has been protected by the Republican party, which went off the rails a long time ago.

The Republicans must lose badly in 2024 for the party to veer back towards sanity. Hell, even a small step like dumping Marjorie Taylor Greene off a cliff would be an improvement.



How about rich white women... like Hillary Clinton... having a personal server at home with tons of classified information on it CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET so that foreign powers could hack it and steal classified information? That, AND destroying evidence during an ongoing federal investigation of that email scandal whilst her hubby Bill Clinton boards a DOJ jet and has an ex-parte discussion with Loretta Lynch, the U.S. Attorney General?

Sanity what?
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@BlutoSays

You are always blaming other people for your party's fuckups. Why don't you demand some "personal responsibility" from your party? If you can't practice what you preach, then stop bitching and whining and piss off. We don't want to hear your bullshit if you can't practice what you preach. Fucking hypocrite.
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By BlutoSays
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Politics_Observer wrote:@BlutoSays

You are always blaming other people for your party's fuckups. Why don't you demand some "personal responsibility" from your party? If you can't practice what you preach, then stop bitching and whining and piss off. We don't want to hear your bullshit if you can't practice what you preach. Fucking hypocrite.


And you are always pushing two standards. Fucking hypocrite.
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@BlutoSays

And you are wrong too. All you want to do is complain and whine like a pussy, not practice what you preach. You are just bitching and whining because you can't get your way. And you want to blame other people for your party's failure. You are bitching out man.
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By Drlee
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There is absolutely nothing at all that would make almost every Republican happier than to see Trump arrested. He wreaked havoc with the mid terms. He has destroyed the party with young people virtually assuring that the party go away in about 30 years. He will hand the presidency and the house back to the Dems in 24. He is a nightmare for the Republicans and even the mindless Freedom Caucus and its idiotic followers will be well rid of him.

Did anyone see the news coverage of his announcement in the very conservative National Review:

To paraphrase Voltaire after he attended an orgy, once was an experiment, twice would be perverse.

A bruised Donald Trump announced a new presidential bid on Tuesday night, an invitation to double down on the outrages and failures of the last several years that Republicans should reject without hesitation or doubt.

To his credit, Trump killed off the Clinton dynasty in 2016, nominated and got confirmed three constitutionalist justices, reformed taxes, pushed deregulation, got control of the border, significantly degraded ISIS in Syria and Iraq, and cinched normalization deals between Israel and the Gulf states, among other things. These are achievements that even his conservative doubters and critics — including NR — can acknowledge and applaud.

That said, the Trump administration was chaotic even on its best days because of his erratic nature and lack of seriousness. He often acted as if he were a commentator on his own presidency, and issued orders on Twitter and in other off-the-cuff statements that were ignored. He repeatedly had to be talked out of disastrous ideas by his advisers and Republican elected officials. He turned on cabinet officials and aides on a dime. Trump had a limited understanding of our constitutional system, and at the end of the day, little respect for it. His inability to approximate the conduct that the public expects of a president undermined him from beginning to end.

The latter factor played an outsized role in his narrow defeat to a feeble Joe Biden in 2020 in what was a winnable race. Of course, unable to cope with the humiliation of the loss, he pursued a shameful attempt to overturn the result of the election. He didn’t come close to succeeding, but it wasn’t for lack of trying. The episode ended with Trump, in a grotesque abuse of his powers, trying to bully Vice President Pence into unilaterally delaying or changing the count of electoral votes on January 6 and with an inflamed pro-Trump mob storming the Capitol while the president gave no indication that he particularly minded.

In the midst of this, he threw away two Georgia Senate seats in a fit of pique over Governor Brian Kemp and Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger refusing to bend to his will. The resulting loss of Senate control allowed Biden to get trillions of dollars in spending that he wouldn’t have gotten otherwise and confirm large numbers of progressive judges.

Since then, Trump has maintained his grip on the party and done all he can to force it to accept his delusions and lies about the 2020 election — boosting conspiracy theorists and fanatics and targeting for defeat, with considerable success, anyone pushing back too hard against him or his obsessions.

Trump’s success in imposing his fixations and candidate choices on the GOP played a large role in the GOP debacle in the midterms. This political backdrop raises the possibility that his low-energy announcement speech may be a damp squib.

Certainly, GOP voters should give up on the idea that Trump is a winner. After securing the GOP nomination with plurality support in 2016, Trump didn’t exceed 47 percent in either of his campaigns, winning in 2016 with 46.1 percent and losing in 2020 with 46.8. This is, to say the least, a very narrow electoral path, and one must assume that with all that’s transpired since 2020, Trump is weaker than in his first two races.

The party’s position has significantly eroded under his hegemony. When Trump announced his first campaign in 2015, Republicans were coming off a historic wave election, which brought them to 54 Senate seats, and 247 House seats. Republicans then lost the House in 2018, lost the Senate in 2020, and blew a chance for large gains this year. Now, they are looking at 49 or 50 Senate seats, and a razor-thin margin of control of the House of Representatives. On top of this, Republicans had 31 governorships; they now have 25, and have lost crucial ground in state legislatures, too.

A lesson of the midterms was that association with Trump and “stop the steal” were liabilities, and no one is more associated with both of those things than Donald Trump himself. Democrats helped choose MAGA candidates that were eminently defeatable in GOP primaries this year, and nominating Trump — whom Democrats are pining to run against again — in 2024 would replicate this experience on a much larger scale.

Needless to say, Trump is a magnetic political figure who has managed to bond countless millions of Republicans to him. Many GOP voters appreciate his combativeness and hate his enemies, who so often engaged in excesses in pursuit of him. Once he won the nomination in 2016, they understandably voted for him in 2016 and 2020, given the alternatives. But the primaries won’t present a choice between Trump and progressives with calamitous priorities for the nation, but other Republicans who aren’t, in contrast to him, monumentally selfish or morally and electorally compromised. (And it should be added, won’t be 78 years old if elected and ineligible to serve two terms.)

It’s too early to know what the rest of the field will look like, except it will offer much better alternatives than Trump.

The answer to Trump’s invitation to remain personally and politically beholden to him and his cracked obsessions for at least another two years, with all the chaos that entails and the very real possibility of another highly consequential defeat, should be a firm, unmistakable, No.
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By Godstud
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But @Drlee, Trump can't go away! I am all ready for his next presidency!
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My German friend had the hat, but I couldn't convince him to give it to me. :lol: I had to borrow it.
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The GOP held countless meetings about Hillary and even had a president who promised, as the head of US Federal Law Enforcement, to lock her up. And they did nothing.

Like the GOP had their chance, if you're still bitching about it you're just too stupid realize you got played. You are such a simple, easily fooled baby that an entire party jangled some keys in front of your face saying, "We'll get that evil boogety lady Hillary! Wooo, look at the keys!" for years and now you're angry. But not at the people who explicitly promised this to you while controlling the government. A moronic deal you accepted instead of demanding any kind of positive material change to your life.
By late
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SpecialOlympian wrote:
It owns that the GOP's take away from being forced to eat a giant bucket of shit is going all in on Hunter Biden's laptop.



The Right has been promising for years Hunter, and his laptop, would be a big deal.

But even with their hack in the Justice Dept, they can't come up with anything worth talking about. Just another Bhengazi...
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By Godstud
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Hillary's e-mails and Hunter's laptops are the White Whales for the GOP! :lol:
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