[Unthinking Majority]

No contention, but you're saying 'policies' when I was only saying 'opinions'.

So, *sure*, if 'opinions' lead into 'concerns', 'issues', and *policies*, then the rest follows.


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What were the *politics*, though -- ? All *I* saw was a bunch of coordinated *opinion-making*.

They were protesting government policy of vaccine mandates for truck drivers.

[ckaihatsu]

They were protesting government policy of vaccine mandates for truck drivers.

Understood, but since that's the domain of *medicine* / biology, it's inherently *not* political -- medical conclusions don't rely / depend on *politics* (except for implementation, of course).

[Pants-of-dog]

I'm taking about the present or recent history.

There is Trumpism while there is also sentiment such as this:

Okay.

Are we talking about feels and words, or are we talking about the capacity to actually harm, kill, or ethnically cleanse the race of their choice?

[Unthinking Majority]

Okay.

Are we talking about feels and words, or are we talking about the capacity to actually harm, kill, or ethnically cleanse the race of their choice?

I would say simply the intent or political goal, per what I said (to have hegemonic political power).

[Pants-of-dog]

I would say simply the intent or political goal, per what I said (to have hegemonic political power).

If we are talking about mere intent, i.e. feels and words, then we could say that everything is equal. Since mere intent has little or no impact on our lives, this seems like an unimportant way of looking at things, from a political standpoint.

What does have impact on our lives is the capability of ethnic oppression.

[Unthinking Majority]

If we are talking about mere intent, i.e. feels and words, then we could say that everything is equal. Since mere intent has little or no impact on our lives, this seems like an unimportant way of looking at things, from a political standpoint.

What does have impact on our lives is the capability of ethnic oppression.

I'm talking about actually supporting policy and/or legislation to further this goal, and politicians who might enact them. ie: border policy, immigration policy etc.

[Pants-of-dog]

I'm talking about actually supporting policy and/or legislation to further this goal, and politicians who might enact them. ie: border policy, immigration policy etc.

Okay.

How many white nationalist politicians are in power or have been recently? If we count people who have openly used white nationalism rhetoric, like Trump, then we can say that a good percentage of these people have come to power.

Meanwhile, I do not think any politicians who are racist against white people have ever been elected in any western developed country, or the USA.

[ckaihatsu]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkans

[Unthinking Majority]

Okay.

How many white nationalist politicians are in power or have been recently? If we count people who have openly used white nationalism rhetoric, like Trump, then we can say that a good percentage of these people have come to power.

Meanwhile, I do not think any politicians who are racist against white people have ever been elected in any western developed country, or the USA.

Well that's a different topic. My question was whether one is more evil than the other.

[ckaihatsu]

I'm sensing a dual-power situation now since the domestic policy landscape has been *stagnant*, after rolling-back Trump's damage to some degree, and now railroaders and nurses are socially ascendant.

[Pants-of-dog]

Well that's a different topic. My question was whether one is more evil than the other.

And I answered you by pointing out that what you consider as the important factor only exists in an idealized vacuum separated from modern and historical power structures.

[Unthinking Majority]

And I answered you by pointing out that what you consider as the important factor only exists in an idealized vacuum separated from modern and historical power structures.

It just sounds like a cop out. It's a very simple question.

So supporting a law where everyone is killed when they hit 65 years old because they are economically a drain is not evil because the likelihood of that policy ever becoming law is virtually zero?

[Pants-of-dog]

It just sounds like a cop out. It's a very simple question.

So supporting a law where everyone is killed when they hit 65 years old because they are economically a drain is not evil because the likelihood of that policy ever becoming law is virtually zero?

Again, it depends on what you mean by “evil”.

While we can all agree that mass murder of elders is an evil thing, and whosoever plans it is “evil”, this is just what is happening in people’s heads or hearts. It is not happening in the real. world.

There are people right now who think my family and me should not be alive in Canada. While this may be evil, I am not going to sweat it because they have no power.

This was not the case just a few decades ago, when these same people had the ability to craft laws and enforce them. At that time, Canada engaged in human rights abuses.

This is why people like me also want to know if these “evil” people are also powerful enough to do something about it.

It is a privilege of white people to think about racism and evil in a way that is separated from history and modern society.

[Unthinking Majority]

Again, it depends on what you mean by “evil”.

While we can all agree that mass murder of elders is an evil thing, and whosoever plans it is “evil”, this is just what is happening in people’s heads or hearts. It is not happening in the real. world.

There are people right now who think my family and me should not be alive in Canada. While this may be evil, I am not going to sweat it because they have no power.

This was not the case just a few decades ago, when these same people had the ability to craft laws and enforce them. At that time, Canada engaged in human rights abuses.

This is why people like me also want to know if these “evil” people are also powerful enough to do something about it.

It is a privilege of white people to think about racism and evil in a way that is separated from history and modern society.

By evil I mean immoral.

I think they are both equally immoral. It is a form of ethnic cleansing through longterm policy. White people are shrinking as a % of the population in the US, and some people approve of this, given the response of Jimmy Fallon's audience reaction, and some for racially nationalistic reasons. So if you don't think this is "happening in the real world" I would disagree.

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By evil I mean immoral.

I think they are both equally immoral. It is a form of ethnic cleansing through longterm policy. White people are shrinking as a % of the population in the US, and some people approve of this, given the response of Jimmy Fallon's audience reaction, and some for racially nationalistic reasons. So if you don't think this is "happening in the real world" I would disagree.

Most kooks are smart enough to avoid saying that to people that are not similarly kooky.

This is about White Power, nothing less.

You see, Whites won't be the majority, so they will have to share power. White Supremacists don't want to share.

That's not ethnic cleansing.

[Pants-of-dog]

By evil I mean immoral.

I think they are both equally immoral. It is a form of ethnic cleansing through longterm policy. White people are shrinking as a % of the population in the US, and some people approve of this, given the response of Jimmy Fallon's audience reaction, and some for racially nationalistic reasons. So if you don't think this is "happening in the real world" I would disagree.

Do you remember once that @ckaihatsu described one of your arguments as existing independently of historical context, and therefore made sense only in some sort of idealized context? At that time, I think I said I would point this out the next time I saw you make such an argument. This is one of those moments.

Yes, both are equally evil when it comes to intent.

But this audience is not doing anything intentionally. No BIPOC people in the USA are deliberately creating policy and social institutions with the goal of eradicating whites. At best, one can argue that these people are celebrating a trend that (hopefully) will erase the remaining aspects of white supremacy in the USA, and will do so through peaceful demographic change.

To compare this with people who actually intend(ed) to kill or remove all non-whites and have done so and are doing so, and have done and are doing so through the power they wield in society, is illogical.

Since you are argued that intent was key, please note that the latter (i.e. white supremacy) is intentional, while an audience applauding a demographic trend that they did not plan or execute is not a demonstration of an intent. to eradicate white people.

[ckaihatsu]

White Supremacists don't want to share.

That's not ethnic cleansing.

*This* is....

An estimated 11[366] to 17 million[367] civilians died as a direct or as an indirect result of Hitler's racist policies, including mass killing of around 6 million Jews, along with Roma, homosexuals, at least 1.9 million ethnic Poles[368][369] and millions of other Slavs (including Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians), and other ethnic and minority groups.[370][367] Between 1941 and 1945, more than 200,000 ethnic Serbs, along with gypsies and Jews, were persecuted and murdered by the Axis-aligned Croatian Ustaše in Yugoslavia.[371] Concurrently, Muslims and Croats were persecuted and killed by Serb nationalist Chetniks,[372] with an estimated 50,000-68,000 victims (of which 41,000 were civilians).[373] Also, more than 100,000 Poles were massacred by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army in the Volhynia massacres, between 1943 and 1945.[374] At the same time, about 10,000–15,000 Ukrainians were killed by the Polish Home Army and other Polish units, in reprisal attacks.[375]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II#Axis_attack_on_the_Soviet_Union_(1941)

[Istanbuller]

Immigration is good because it can help firms to hire employees with lower wages and this led to increase in profit of firms. Capitalism likes immigration.

By the way, @Pants-of-dog's assertion that "white people are evil and mother of all problems" is highly offensive, racist and inhumane. The same logic led to the holocaust under the national socialists in Nazi Germany, murder of tens of millions of people in communist Soviet Union. No wonder the guy here is a commie.

[ckaihatsu]

idealized context

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‭universal context

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History, Macro-Micro -- politics-logistics-lifestyle

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[Pants-of-dog]

Immigration is good because it can help firms to hire employees with lower wages and this led to increase in profit of firms. Capitalism likes immigration.

By the way, @Pants-of-dog's assertion that "white people are evil and mother of all problems" is highly offensive, racist and inhumane. The same logic led to the holocaust under the national socialists in Nazi Germany, murder of tens of millions of people in communist Soviet Union. No wonder the guy here is a commie.

If I did say that, then you should notify moderation of the post where I said that.

Thanks.