[Politics_Observer]

Looks like DeSantis has set up to destroy the value of a college education at Florida's Universities. If you want a college education that has any value, don't attend university in Florida. DeSantis is busy destroying the value of any education at the state of Florida's universities. I imagine people will avoid going to Florida to get a university education given the damage that DeSantis has done.

Your education and degree will be totally worthless thanks to DeSantis if you attend university in Florida. One of the major reasons why DeSantis and the Republicans are attacking Florida Universities is because they are tyrants. And tyrants always go after education and educated people. They don't want a well-educated populace. A well-educated populace is much more difficult to manipulate and control.

They want people they can manipulate and control so they can keep all the power for themselves. That's why DeSantis is making these moves against Florida's universities.

Students and faculty at the New College of Florida are planning to demonstrate during a board of trustees meeting Tuesday after Gov. Ron DeSantis launched a conservative takeover of the small public liberal arts college.

In January, DeSantis replaced six of the 13 members on the college’s board of trustees with conservative allies, including Christopher Rufo, who has fueled the fight against critical race theory. The new board forced out the college’s president and appointed DeSantis ally Richard Corcoran as interim president. Corcoran will earn a base salary of $699,000.

DeSantis’ office insists that the New College of Florida in Sarasota has seen declining enrollment and focuses too heavily on diversity and inclusion, critical race theory and gender ideology.

The school community has been up in arms for weeks, with many students saying they fear the college will no longer be a safe place for the LGBTQ community or other marginalized groups. Several protests have been held on campus since the leadership changes happened, including a walkout by students last week.

“A lot of us are hurting right now,” said third-year student Chai Leffler, who is studying Chinese and urban studies at the college.

Leffler said New College of Florida has always been a school that has encouraged “free academic thought.” Lawmakers, he said, are trying to strip away that freedom by telling students what they can and can’t study.

“I don’t think politicians should really be the ones making that decision,” Leffler told CNN. “And I really don’t think that’s an unpopular opinion.”

DeSantis said last month that he intends to defund all diversity, equity and inclusion programs at state colleges and universities in Florida. These policies and programs are created to promote representation for people who have historically faced discrimination because of their race, ethnicity, disability, gender, religion or sexual orientation.

Tuesday’s rally at New College of Florida will also follow the introduction of a bill in the Florida House that mirrors DeSantis’ ideas for an overhaul of higher education.

The bill, filed by a Republican lawmaker last week, would put board of trustee members in charge of faculty hiring; defund diversity, equity and inclusion programs; eliminate majors or minors related to critical race theory or gender studies; and authorize boards of trustees to review tenure of faculty.

The bill was praised by Rufo, who said on Twitter that it restores the “principle of colorblind equality in higher ed.” Rufo is a senior fellow and director of the initiative on critical race theory at the conservative Manhattan Institute.

“This would be the most ambitious reform to higher education in a half-century,” Rufo tweeted. “Gov. DeSantis is channeling the sentiment of the voters, who have demanded that taxpayer dollars stop subsidizing left-wing racialist ideology and partisan political activism. Democracy returns.”

Some students and advocates say they believe DeSantis has proposed sweeping changes to Florida’s colleges and universities for political gain because he is expected to run for president in 2024.

But they fear the lasting impacts could be Florida colleges struggling to retain students and recruit faculty.

People pursuing graduate degrees might opt for schools in other states that support academic freedom, Irene Mulvey, president of the American Association of University Professors, told CNN earlier this month.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/28/us/new-c ... index.html

[Truth To Power]

Looks like DeSantis has set up to destroy the value of a college education at Florida's Universities. If you want a college education that has any value, don't attend university in Florida. DeSantis is busy destroying the value of any education at the state of Florida's universities. I imagine people will avoid going to Florida to get a university education given the damage that DeSantis has done.

That seems to be roughly the opposite of the truth, which is that a university "education" in anti-scientific woke ideology is of negative value to both employers and society.

Your education and degree will be totally worthless thanks to DeSantis if you attend university in Florida.

That is also the opposite of the truth, which is that a degree in anti-factual grievance studies makes the graduate of lower value to an employer and society than no education at all.

One of the major reasons why DeSantis and the Republicans are attacking Florida Universities is because they are tyrants. And tyrants always go after education and educated people. They don't want a well-educated populace. A well-educated populace is much more difficult to manipulate and control.

The actual tyrants, of course, are the woke ideologues who have taken over higher education and removed both freedom of thought and any semblance of academic rigor to create a generation unable to think for themselves, and thus easy to manipulate and control.
They are the ones who want people they can manipulate and control so they can keep all the power for themselves.

That's why DeSantis is making these moves against Florida's universities.

ISTM he is moving against the anti-education, anti-science, anti-fact ideologues who have all but destroyed higher education.

[Politics_Observer]

@Truth To Power

Those universities in Florida could lose accreditation and federal funding. Then the costs of lost federal funding would be passed down to students, to any students who would want to attend a university that doesn't have proper accreditation. I tell you right now employers don't want to hire graduates from universities that are not properly accredited. The US Department of Education has already warned the state of Florida they could lose federal funding because the feds don't want to fund worthless degrees. That's what I would be upset about if I were those students. No student wants worthless degrees. DeSantis is playing with the economy of Florida and the futures of Florida's young people.

[Tainari88]

I get tired of hearing arrogant people saying that people who graduate in some social science or ethnic studies program are lightweight thinkers and they study that major because they are not 'real' scholars. Like the science and math majors. Lol. Hear that @Potemkin? You snob for being a nuclear physics major. You snobby man....

Let us take some random university in the USA in some Midwest state of the USA eh? Wright State University in Michigan. Let us pick out some random major that is sneezed at by the science majors eh? Let us say African American Studies eh? Hmmm.

Here is the link...

https://liberal-arts.wright.edu/social- ... an-studies

Let me cut and paste who graduated in African American studies eh?

Famous grads of African American studies.

Notable African and African American Studies Majors
Angela Bassett, Award-winning actress (B.A. in African-American Studies from Yale University)
Rakim H. D. Brooks, Rhodes Scholar and C. Edwin Baker Fellow in Democratic Values at Demos (B.A. in Africana Studies from Brown University)
Megan L. Comfort, Senior Research Sociologist, Urban Health Program at RTI International and Adjunct Asst. Professor of Medicine, UCSF (B.A. in Black Studies from Wellesley College)
Jendayi Frazer, Distinguished Professor, Carnegie Mellon University and former U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs (B.A. in African and Afro-American Studies & Political Science from Stanford University)
Robert Henry Graham, Artist-educator
Brian L. Harper, Medical Director and COO of the Ralph Lauren Center for Cancer Care and Prevention (B.A. in Afro-American Studies & Biology from Brown University)
Graham Hodges, Professor at Colgate University
Mae Jemison, Physician and NASA astronaut on the Endeavor in 1992 (B.A. in Afro-American Studies from Stanford University)
Eungi Jew, Curator of Instituto Inhotim Brazil
Do Kim, Civil rights attorney, founder of the Korean American Youth Leadership Program (B.A. in Afro-American Studies & Sociology from Harvard University)
Aaron McGruder, Cartoonist, writer and creator of the nationally syndicated comic strip The Boondocks (B.A. in African-American Studies from the University of Maryland, College Park)
Gloria Naylor, Educator and novelist, winner of the National Book Award in 1983 for The Women of Brewster Place (M.A. in Afro-American Studies from Yale University)
Michelle Obama, Attorney and First Lady of the United States (B.A. in Sociology with a minor in African-American Studies from Princeton University)
Dr. Goblahano Okubadejo, Orthopedic surgeon
Richard W. Roberts, U.S. District Court Judge for Washington, D.C. (B.A. in Black Studies and Political Science from Vassar College)
Claudia Thomas, Author and first black female orthopedic surgeon in the U.S. (B.A. in Black Studies from Vassar College)
Sources:

Fikes, Robert. "What Can I Do With A Black Studies Major? 500+ Answers" (PDF) 4th ed. San Diego State University. 2015.

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[Pants-of-dog]

That seems to be roughly the opposite of the truth, which is that a university "education" in anti-scientific woke ideology is of negative value to both employers and society.

That is also the opposite of the truth, which is that a degree in anti-factual grievance studies makes the graduate of lower value to an employer and society than no education at all.

The average Canadian gender studies major makes $47k a year.
https://www.payscale.com/research/CA/De ... f_Arts_(BA)%2C_Gender_Studies/Salary

The average Canadian high school graduate makes about 31k a year.
https://ca.talent.com/salary?job=high+school+student

Apparently, holders of these degrees are valued more than people with no degree. This contradicts the claim that this degree makes the graduate of lower value to an employer and society than no education at all.

The actual tyrants, of course, are the woke ideologues who have taken over higher education and removed both freedom of thought and any semblance of academic rigor to create a generation unable to think for themselves, and thus easy to manipulate and control.
They are the ones who want people they can manipulate and control so they can keep all the power for themselves.

ISTM he is moving against the anti-education, anti-science, anti-fact ideologues who have all but destroyed higher education.

This is all insult and no argument, and thus is best ignored.

[Truth To Power]

The average Canadian gender studies major makes $47k a year.
https://www.payscale.com/research/CA/De ... f_Arts_(BA)%2C_Gender_Studies/Salary

Link doesn't work. But it's not surprising that in Canada, a handful of gender-studies know-nothings could be paid six figures as government woke enforcement commissars while the rest are making minimum wage, if they can even get a job in the private sector at all.

The average Canadian high school graduate makes about 31k a year.
https://ca.talent.com/salary?job=high+school+student

Wrong again. That's for high school students, not high school graduates.

Apparently, holders of these degrees are valued more than people with no degree.

Only by government woke enforcement "employers." Not by actual employers who want someone capable of making a productive contribution.

This contradicts the claim that this degree makes the graduate of lower value to an employer and society than no education at all.

Or it would, if you had actually offered any evidence.

This is all insult and no argument, and thus is best ignored.

It's fact.

[Politics_Observer]

@Truth To Power

Come on man, DeSantis is destroying the economic well-being and future of Floridians. Schools have to earn proper accreditation if their degrees are to have any real value. And this guy wants to run for President. What would he do as President?

[Pants-of-dog]

Link doesn't work. But it's not surprising that in Canada, a handful of gender-studies know-nothings could be paid six figures as government woke enforcement commissars while the rest are making minimum wage, if they can even get a job in the private sector at all.

So you do not refute the fact that your claim was wrong.

Wrong again. That's for high school students, not high school graduates.

No. According to other websites, 31k is the average yearly wage for HS graduates between 25 and 29 years of age.

Only by government woke enforcement "employers." Not by actual employers who want someone capable of making a productive contribution.

Or it would, if you had actually offered any evidence.

It's fact.

Not according to what I read. Most seem to be lawyers, judges, magistrates, and teachers.

Are you arguing that these professions make no productive contributions?

[Puffer Fish]

Looks like DeSantis has set up to destroy the value of a college education at Florida's Universities. If you want a college education that has any value, don't attend university in Florida. DeSantis is busy destroying the value of any education at the state of Florida's universities. I imagine people will avoid going to Florida to get a university education given the damage that DeSantis has done.

Your education and degree will be totally worthless thanks to DeSantis if you attend university in Florida. One of the major reasons why DeSantis and the Republicans are attacking Florida Universities is because they are tyrants.

Of course DeSantis and conservatives see this the complete opposite way.
From their perspective, the Left has destroyed the value of education and they are remedying the problem.

[Politics_Observer]

@Puffer Fish

DeSantis knows better. He has good education from Yale. He knows he is destroying education in Florida and understands that. He simply doesn't care. He only cares about power and if that means destroying the value of education in the state of Florida, then so be it. DeSantis is not a fool but he is an authoritarian and a threat to American democracy much like Trump is.

DeSantis of course, though he understands he is destroying education in Florida, will spin it some other way to manipulate his followers so they vote for him. He is interfering in education to prevent specific topics that need to be taught, from being taught. This serves two purposes. One, it gets his base fired up to turn out for elections to vote for him. Second, it prevents the population from becoming educated so that they will be willing to submit to authoritarian rule without term limits.

Sort of like the North Korean dictatorship. So preventing education is attacking the minds of Floridians. In order to enslave people, you must first attack their minds. This attack on education is part of that effort by DeSantis and he knows and understands that perfectly. He knows what he is doing is wrong, but doesn't care.

[wat0n]

No. According to other websites, 31k is the average yearly wage for HS graduates between 25 and 29 years of age.

And 35k is the figure for all 15-64 years old. But then again, the average salary for those with a trade certificate is 47k too, and that is a cheaper degree than a BA.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en ... 3710015201

Going back to what DeSantis wants to do, the only thing I can see that would have a negative impact on Florida's universities (and it would be a serious one) would be if the Boards of Trustees were to get involved in tenure decisions and those became politicized. If he does that, no reputable aspiring academic in any field will want to go there.

[Politics_Observer]

@wat0n

The U.S. Department of Education also warned the universities in the state of Florida they can lose federal funding due to DeSantis's actions. Plus, accreditation agencies opened up investigations due to his actions. And if they strip accreditation from universities in the state of Florida, that makes their degrees worthless.

[wat0n]

@wat0n

The U.S. Department of Education also warned the universities in the state of Florida they can lose federal funding due to DeSantis's actions. Plus, accreditation agencies opened up investigations due to his actions. And if they strip accreditation from universities in the state of Florida, that makes their degrees worthless.

And if that happens it will be because of the tenure issue, as a fall in research output will likely impact accreditation.

But the rest of the other points? I doubt so, personally.

[Truth To Power]

Plus, accreditation agencies opened up investigations due to his actions. And if they strip accreditation from universities in the state of Florida, that makes their degrees worthless.

But they don't investigate or deny accreditation to the "universities" that grant degrees in woke ideology enforcement...

[Truth To Power]

So you do not refute the fact that your claim was wrong.

No, I showed your claimed "evidence" to the contrary was no such thing.

No.

That would be more convincing if I hadn't just proved you have been makin' $#!+ up again...

According to other websites,

Post them.

31k is the average yearly wage for HS graduates between 25 and 29 years of age.

Nice attempt to move the goalposts again.

Most seem to be lawyers, judges, magistrates, and teachers.

I.e., woke ideology enforcement commissars who are paid by government to harm innocent people, culture, science, society, and civilization.

Are you arguing that these professions make no productive contributions?

I am stating the fact that people with degrees in gender studies are incapable of making a productive contribution in any job.

[Truth To Power]

Come on man, DeSantis is destroying the economic well-being and future of Floridians. Schools have to earn proper accreditation if their degrees are to have any real value. And this guy wants to run for President. What would he do as President?

It's the institutions granting degrees in grievance "studies" and woke ideology enforcement that should be losing their accreditation.

[Pants-of-dog]

I think we can safely discard the argument that these degrees are worth less to employers than no PSE at all.

It is worth noting that the proposed bill will make teaching gender studies illegal, or as they put it, the board of governors will direct each institution to remove programs providing a gender studies major or minor, as well as other fields.

As for tenure, the proposed bill seems to suggest that tenure should be reviewed every five years, and can be reviewed and terminated at any point “with cause”.

Tenure can be terminated by the each university’s board of trustees, who (as we see in the OP) can be (and are) appointed directly by Desantis.

https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2 ... /Filed/PDF

[Politics_Observer]

@Pants-of-dog

DeSantis is trying to deny education to Floridians because he sees educated people as a threat to any sort of unchecked power he seeks to obtain for himself. Plus, it's a great way to get his base to turn out for elections to elect him so he can proceed with his plan to seize dictatorial power in the future. In his quest to do this, he is also destroying the economic future of Florida and it's residents. His next target if he were elected President would be ALL of the American people and not just Florida.

[Pants-of-dog]

@Politics_Observer

It seems to be working for him. He just has to wait for Trump to shoot himself in the foot a few more times and he can get a shot at the Oval Office.

[Politics_Observer]

@Pants-of-dog

I think DeSantis is more dangerous because he is smarter than Trump.