[wat0n]

Our geniuses complain about CRT a lot, but they lack the intellect to handle it. One of the tenets of CRT is that most policy needs to be color blind to avoid that resentment.

It's the other way around: Proponents of CRT criticize colorblindness because it does not, in their view, address the disadvantages faced by BIPOC. The argument being that, since BIPOC start at a disadvantage, they need to be treated differently to make up for that worse starting point.

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Principles of the CRT Practice

While recognizing the evolving and malleable nature of CRT, scholar Khiara Bridges outlines a few key tenets of CRT, including:

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Rejection of popular understandings about racism, such as arguments that confine racism to a few “bad apples.” CRT recognizes that racism is codified in law, embedded in structures, and woven into public policy. CRT rejects claims of meritocracy or “colorblindness.” CRT recognizes that it is the systemic nature of racism that bears primary responsibility for reproducing racial inequality.

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That position implies differential treatment explicitly based on race specifically, in this case to favor BIPOC.

[Pants-of-dog]

Since conservatives see efforts to narrow inequalities as differential treatment explicitly based on race to favor BIPOC, it is worth asking why.

I highly doubt the majority of conservatives are actually analyzing programs based on the ethnicity of the recipients and then calculating which race benefits most.

I assume there are a variety of psychological mechanisms that come into play. Does it then require BIPOC people to take care of the psychological foibles of individual white people?

Sounds laborious.

[wat0n]

But conservatives don't really see any and all efforts to narrow inequalities on those terms. It seems to depend on the program at hand.

In particular, such perception does not exist for Social Security and Pell Grants, even though it is easily verifiable they effectively benefit BIPOC more even if only because they have lower incomes on average and are overrepresented in the low income population.

[Tainari88]

In terms of raw numbers @wat0n white people have the largest enrollment in welfare and food coupons. Simply because to qualify for these programs you have to be a citizen of the USA. That disqualifies the immigrant population of both temporary status, permanent status and student visa status.

List of requirements for the state of Illinois where you are....got to meet these criteria or you do not get anything.

Pell Grants are not given to non US citizens and or international students. You can go for work study but you got to have a visa that allows you to qualify for work study on campus. I used to find tons of help for all kinds of immigrant university students that did not have to pay back the grants. Did that for a living for a few years. For example, look for a beca or scholarship for a student that is in economics major, from Chile, between 18-27 years old. Boom. Fill out this block and so on....does he qualify for x amount of no need to pay back grants. Oh, he is Buddhist and also qualifies for this. Oh, he is a badminton player and qualifies for this. Oh, he is from this or that. Did that for a while.

Still remember a scholarship I got a young woman who was Mexican and she had great grades and came from poverty. That scholarship was to attend the University of Denver for four years. Pre med or science. It covered everything, dorm, books, meal cards, tuition. Worth about $100,000 US dollars a year. For four years. Only two students a year in the whole state would get it. I made sure we did the presentation and paperwork, did the deadlines, essays etc. She of course took the SAT tests and everything. And voila....she got a scholarship worth BIG BUCKS.

I am distracted. No, if you are not a US citizen the Pell Grant thing is not available. Neither are the food coupons or rental TANF or cash benefits.

Most Latinos do not qualify if they are not citizens yet. If they are citizens they qualify usually if they have dependent children and have low income. Even if you work full time you can sometimes qualify for cash benefits and food stamps. It depends on your state. For Illinois:

https://www.discovertoday.co/web?q=ebt% ... n=google_s

A lot of legal immigrants with valid visas for staying in the USA never apply for benefits because some states will disqualify you for becoming a US citizen in the future if you were on benefits and asked for state assistance. In order to never risk not being eligible for citizenship down the road the legal immigrant with a green card avoids applying even if they might qualify.

So most applicants for those programs are white people Wat0n.

[Pants-of-dog]

We already discussed pages and pages ago that some programs are seen as racialised and some not.

Now we have moved on and are asking why the racialized ones are viwed that way, Reminding us that some programs are not racialized will not help anyone understand why the racialized programs are viewed as racialized.

The obvious reason why some programs are viewed as racialized and some not is deliberate messaging.

The other reason mentioned is that some conservatives are psychologically primed to believe this for one reason or another.

Can anyone think of any reason why these programs are seen as benefiting non-whites?

[wat0n]

@Tainari88 I think it's quite evident that this analysis is limited to citizens and permanent residents. Most countries don't allow temporary residents access to many social benefits either, it's not an American thing - and that's specially true in the well developed European welfare states.

Yes, white students do outnumber African American ones among Pell Grant beneficiaries in raw terms. But African American students are a lot more likely to benefit than whites are, and they get slightly greater grants on average too.

If it's about raw numbers, non-Hispanic Whites are also the majority of beneficiaries of food stamps/SNAP, Medicaid/CHIP, TANF and other forms of governmental assistance.

[Unthinking Majority]

This is how racial resentment seems to be defined by the social scientists who study it.

Are you saying that I misinterpreted them, or are you arguing that this definition is not a good one?

I have never seen any definition of "white resentment" despite a brief search in google. Because of this i take "white resentment" to mean as it literally sounds, ie: "resentment by white people towards POC". The Wikipedia article I posted is about "white backlash", which is a different term. The article also mentions the term "white anxiety" which is another separate term. All 3 terms seem to be related to each other. For example, white backlash might be actions taken as a result of feelings of white resentment or white anxiety. I don't know if these are well-defined terms or not, but they seem to describe general phenomena that are occurring.

If you have found a definition of "white resentment" please feel free to post it.

If we define resentment as opposition to programs designed to close gaps in racial inequalities, then black resentment against whites would be blacks who oppose a program that would help white people become more equal. This does not make sense since white people in North America are already at equality or doing better than black people.

Can you post where "white resentment" is defined as such?

Based on how the term sounds, opposition of such programs (ie: affirmative action) might be a part of white resentment, but i have my doubts that the term is only defined as such, since there's other reasons whites can resent POC.

From your previous link:

Other examples already given in this thread include Obamacare and Medicaid expansion.

The examples from the link are either very old examples, or are not "equality programs" they're just examples of some white people being resentful against progress of blacks or POC and taking actions against them. This is how I interpret the term "white resentment" (without having a specific definition I've personally seen).

What about Obamacare and Medicaid are targeted only to POC and excludes white people or would cause their resentment?

Please note that if you have already read your own source and this thread, then it is hard to imagine that this is a good faith question and not a relentless request for evidence, previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity, and feigning ignorance of the subject matter.

Since I wish to assume that you are asking in good faith, I will assume that you did not read the mentioned material.

Not sure what you mean by this. I don't have any sources, it seems pretty hard to find many sources on "white resentment" and nail down an exact definition. It seems like it might just be a term someone made up to describe a certain phenomena they're trying to discuss. Because of this it might even be easier for us to just look at how and why white people are resentful towards POC and their progress in western white majority countries. A good example is Donald Trump's seeming resentment of Barack Obama becoming POTUS, and his crusade to have him reveal his birth certificate.

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That position implies differential treatment explicitly based on race specifically, in this case to favor BIPOC.

You really suck at this.

So let me dumb this down for you. Where policies involve spending money, they have to be color blind. This has been part of CRT from the beginning, it evolved as a way to deal with White backlash.

[Pants-of-dog]

It seems doubtful that the real numbers are the driving force behind white resentment.

It is implausible to argue that a majority of white people opposed to racialized programs are doing so by crunching the numbers and then making the rational decision to see programs as helping BIPOC in some unfair manner according to said math.

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@Unthinking Majority

On the first page of this thread, you asked several of us to define white resentment, which I did.

It is a backlash against people of colour when they make significant strides towards equality.

It manifests in many ways, as you pointed out.

Th exact mechanisms by which white backlash occurs, in terms of the white resentment being discussed in this thread, have also been discussed. In fact, a short while ago I posted a synopsis of the entire dynamic.

viewtopic.php?f=26&t=183362&start=220#p15268077

If you are arguing that someone just came up with this phrase to describe a certain dynamic, please note that this was also discussed on the first few pages. We agreed that this is a recently coined term to describe a certain phrase, so you are correct.

I have also quoted five or so studies and articles, all looking at white resentment as it manifests as opposition to programs that address inequality and are perceived as helping BIPOC people at the expense of white people.

[wat0n]

You really suck at this.

So let me dumb this down for you. Where policies involve spending money, they have to be color blind. This has been part of CRT from the beginning, it evolved as a way to deal with White backlash.

No, it has not. Again, CRT does not make such exceptions.

Policies like enforcing racial quotas in enrollment in public schools, for example, most definitely involve spending government money, are obviously not colorblind and are normally supported by CRT advocates.

[Fasces]

Here's an example of white resentment from today's Wall Street Journal.





Not racist guys, just asking questions.

[wat0n]

It's funny that you mention it, since there's literature regarding board diversity and performance. Both generally and for banks in particular.

That literature and that part of the op-ed are, of course, bullshit.