[senor boogie woogie]

For me, I call myself Libertarian/Conservative. Without having to explain myself, I would refer to anyone to videos of Ron Paul in the debates when he ran for President. That’s basically me.

So that out of the way, the candidates in 2024….

Donald Trump. In many ways I love Trump. I love him mostly because Trump had no problem calling out people I don’t like. He threw so much shade at Hillary Clinton. My favorite “Hillary Clinton is a BIGOT!” I died laughing when I first saw that, so much I had to watch it five more times for my amusement.

The “fake news” for one, I really don’t like the way news is now, it is extremely partisan and most of them hate Trump. Then you have FOX who basically kissed his feet for ratings and because most of their viewers support him.

Problems with Trump. He is under indictment in New York. If the indictment goes to trial, he will probably be convicted. Trump with his money and resources can put it off any trials for a long time if not indefinitely. If he ever was to go to trial, he will be convicted, it’s New York for one. Second, there is probably enough evidence to convict the guy! I am not saying Trump is a crook, but he has played loosely with legality for years.

The media against him has basically lied about him for years, with the whole Russian collusion thing for starters. I don’t know if we want four more years of a President out fighting with the press, while sending inane Twitter Messages in the middle of the night. The dude was entertaining to be sure.

The point is, do we want Trump who might be fighting state indictments for years from different states where he cannot shield or pardon himself if he was elected President.

Positives, things like the economy was running well before the “virus”. Unemployment was very low. His foreign policy wasn’t bad either, he demanded nations protected by the United States, many wealthy since they didn’t have to pony up for their own military to pay their fair share. Great!

But with the positives, Trump is nuts. Personally crazy.

Ron DeSantis. I just don’t care for this guy on many levels. He is to me a jerk. A jerk face. I think he has gotten too much into social issues and not enough on the governance of his state. The whole Disney thing for example. I actually agree with the bill he passed into law, which Disney was against, and DeSantis decided to just rip into Disney which is a major employer of the state for decades (albeit a poor employer in many respects, but lots of good jobs have come from Disney). DeSantis seems to be an even bigger troll at times than Trump. I think he could use his time more wisely on how to negotiate all the new people coming in and the price of housing and congestion of the state at large. The more DeSantis is on the National stage, the more he looks like he just isn’t ready for Prime Time. I can see him as President almost like a Nixon without the intelligence. The worst parts of Nixon of paranoia and vindictiveness.

Nikki Haley. I like her. I have not seen much of her positions or looked them up but she seems like a person of more common sense and doesn’t have the vindictiveness or the enemies of the above. She’s smart. She is capable. She also “checks the boxes” of equity being a woman and a minority.

Vivek Ramaswamy. Smart guy, but has an non English name and Indian Americans are a tiny minority in America. Seems sort of like DeSantis overly stuck on social issues.

I think maybe the nomination might go to someone who hasn’t thought to run yet.

[Rich]

According to the betting markets Trump is odds on favourite to win the Republican nomination for a third time. I believe he will be the first person since Nixon to win his party's nomination for a third time. Considering Trump's starting point completely outside the political establishment this is a remarkable achievement.

Apparently the latest poll shows Trump leading Biden in Pennsylvania. There really is a strong possibility that Trump could gain the Presidency for a second time. Considering Trump's defeat in 2020 this is an incredible position. Lesser politicians, which means virtually every other politician would have given up after 2020. If you have great dreams, you need to be focused and you need to be fearless. many people have said the Trump should have accepted that he was defeated fair and square in 2020. For one this would be a betrayal of what so many leading Republicans have been saying for years. For years leading Republicans have claimed that the Democrats are committing large scale electoral fraud and that the elections are not fair.

Trump didn't invent the stolen election narrative, he just tried to act on it while other Republicans that have cried fraud seem to be all talk and no action. But most importantly if Trump had accepted the 2020 election as fair then I think he could have kissed good bye to any hope of winning the Presidency again.

Now I know some claim that the 2020 election was fair, some I believe go even further and accuse Trump of lying. But then what's wrong with that? Is there any President who hasn't lied at some point in order to get elected(or reelected)? Do they believe Hilary never lied or never got someone to lie on her behalf. Or Joe Biden. Take his recent claim that Putin is losing the war in Iraq. Maybe this wasn't a conscious lie, but still its hardly the height of veracity.

[Rancid]

Trump wins it, then wins the general due to land (gerry mandering) having more rights than people. Then queue the destruction of the institutions of government more. All the while, the very morons that support Trump stand to lose the most because they are just too fucking stupid.

[Beren]

Trump won't win the general election because he's weaker than he was in 2020, when he was at his apex, his allies such as Putin and Netanyahu are also weaker than they used to be. Putin will not even be president perhaps when the next US presidential elections take place, but his power will be severly waning anyway even if he will. If Trump will be the Republican presidential nominee, he'll be finished in 2024, which will put an end to an era, namely the Trump-Brexit era (2016-2024), which was part of the Putin era (2000-2024?).