[Puffer Fish]

The Republican plan by the governors of Texas and Florida to bus migrants to New York City is working.
(the governors were not allowed to deport them out of the country, so instead they just sent a large number to New York to force the Democrats to have to confront the crisis in their own backyard, and as bonus to offload some of the problem onto their political rivals who are responsible)

New York City has declared a crisis, and even Progressive Left-supporting publications like Vox are describing it for what it is.

They mayors office estimates the city would spend $12 billion over three fiscal years to shelter and support the tens of thousands of migrants projected to arrive over that period.
Let me translate that and do the math for you. That is around $100,000 per person per year!

Obviously these New York progressives are not able to figure out how to efficiently house migrants. This might seem puzzling to many people, but actually it is really not surprising at all. Other cities like San Francisco and Los Angeles are the same way. Their "plans" to try to start housing the homeless have involved ridiculous impractical costs per person.
All these progressive cities know how to solve a problem is to just pass another nice-sounding law, or throw lots of money at the problem. There's no common sense or rational leadership.

The mayor is now calling on the federal government to help deal with the problem.

Where was the federal government when Texas was complaining about the migrant crisis?

New York City has already secured $104.6 million funding from the Federal Emergency Management Agency through a new federal Shelter and Services Program.
Emergency funding going to migrants who are equivalent to illegal aliens.
But that funding is not enough, New York City says they need much more.

New York state has set aside $1 billion dollars in the state budget for the city's migrant programs.

I think this demonstrates that government can throw a lot of money at a problem and still not solve it.

Both the governor and the mayor, of course, are calling on the federal government to issue expedited work permits to the migrants.

Vox says that for both the governor and the mayor, "high immigration levels are becoming a reality they can't ignore."

NYC calls on the state and feds to help care for migrants - Vox

[Puffer Fish]

More and more men are dropping out of work force - Biden's open borders will only make it worse

New York politicians are clamoring for Washington to give the hundreds of thousands of migrants living in the city work permits, arguing that, as Rep. Dan Goldman (D-NY) puts it, "many businesses suffer from labor shortages."

But this argument ignores the massive decline in labor force participation among the less-educated in New York - the share of working-age people working or at least looking for work.

New York does not have a shortage or workers.

It has a shortage of people willing to work - and depressing wages by flooding the job market with migrants isn't going to help.

Nationally, 44 million US-born working-age (16 to 64) men and women are not in the labor force - almost 10 million more than in 2000.
In New York, the number is 2.5 million. Labor force participation rate for US-born men (16 to 64) without a bachelor’s in New York has declined dramatically from 88% in 1960 to 74% in 2000, and to just 66% in April of 2023.

More and more men are dropping out of work force - Biden’s open borders will only make it worse, New York Post, Opinion by Steven Camarota, September 2023

[B0ycey]

I wouldn't give them work permits. I'd give the a one way ticket to Canada. Canada loves migrants at the moment. They have nowhere for them to live but who cares about little details like that.

[Tainari88]

I wouldn't give them work permits. I'd give the a one way ticket to Canada. Canada loves migrants at the moment. They have nowhere for them to live but who cares about little details like that.

I met a few buying groceries in the supermarket in Denver. Venezuelans and Hondurans. One told me that she had no idea it would be this difficult to try to get a work permit, and the high prices for rent and having credit reports, deposits, jobs, and controls. And that the wait list for getting an affordable controlled low sliding scale rent subsidy was an eight year waiting list. She was shocked.

I told her, you thought the American Dream is easy or something? It is a lie. You will be waiting for a work permit a long while, you will then have to pay thousands of dollars, for immigration lawyer fees, and you will be forced to work for low wages until you get a decent education, learn English enough to get a non physical low paid job, etc. It is hard. Not easy.

Prepare yourself mentally. And learn the laws, culture and rules of behavior expected of American working class people in the USA.

She told me she had a son who broke his leg and the bill came due. About $10,000 dollars. She was shocked. Why do you have to pay for an ambulance and all the rest? Sick people need help that is free. In Mexico her younger sister got hurt and she paid nothing. I told her, Mexico has universal health care. And you were in a refugee program temp program there called Comarca right? Yes I was she replied.

I told her, the USA does not give you that until you get your work permit. You are on your own until you get it. About six months of risk of big debt. You just got the bills. It won't stop. If you work and do not have health insurance your money is going to go to paying those kinds of bills. All your money will go to rent, and electricity and bills. Food will have to be a lot of food bank stuff for many months. If you are lucky and get there in time. You will need second hand furniture, etc.

She was overwhelmed. It is overwhelming for many.

[B0ycey]

I met a few buying groceries in the supermarket in Denver. Venezuelans and Hondurans. One told me that she had no idea it would be this difficult to try to get a work permit, and the high prices for rent and having credit reports, deposits, jobs, and controls. And that the wait list for getting an affordable controlled low sliding scale rent subsidy was an eight year waiting list. She was shocked.

I told her, you thought the American Dream is easy or something? It is a lie. You will be waiting for a work permit a long while, you will then have to pay thousands of dollars, for immigration lawyer fees, and you will be forced to work for low wages until you get a decent education, learn English enough to get a non physical low paid job, etc. It is hard. Not easy.

Prepare yourself mentally. And learn the laws, culture and rules of behavior expected of American working class people in the USA.

She told me she had a son who broke his leg and the bill came due. About $10,000 dollars. She was shocked. Why do you have to pay for an ambulance and all the rest? Sick people need help that is free. In Mexico her younger sister got hurt and she paid nothing. I told her, Mexico has universal health care. And you were in a refugee program temp program there called Comarca right? Yes I was she replied.

I told her, the USA does not give you that until you get your work permit. You are on your own until you get it. About six months of risk of big debt. You just got the bills. It won't stop. If you work and do not have health insurance your money is going to go to paying those kinds of bills. All your money will go to rent, and electricity and bills. Food will have to be a lot of food bank stuff for many months. If you are lucky and get there in time. You will need second hand furniture, etc.

She was overwhelmed. It is overwhelming for many.

The US has always be hard to get work permits. And yet Canada is surprisingly easy. I don't really know what is going on with New York, but it would make sense for them to send migrants to Canada who are begging for more than to do what Texas did if they are being overwhelmed. But I guess I'd leave that for New York to decide. If they are giving away free work permits, that is their prerogative and if it helps out your friend towards the American dream, even better.

[Tainari88]

@B0ycey average rent in Denver Colorado USA is about one bedroom $1875 a month for a one bedroom. My son has a one bedroom and got a deal at $1250. But you got to make around $72,000 US a year to live there without worrying about meeting your bills as a single person, with no dependent children and no car payments. If you have an expensive car payment you might not be able to make the bills there. It is about $6,000 USD a month to make it B0ycey.

Otherwise you drop into poverty line easily and that is a mess for rents. You got to make almost three times the rent to qualify and be in the mid 600s in the credit scores and have to come up with two to three months rent deposit. It is not easy to get housing. My son did it saving up about $3,600 to move in to his apartment. One bedroom, Downtown Denver. He has to do some building maintenance in order to pay the lower rent. He is good at that.

Top ten most expensive cities in the USA.

The 15 U.S. cities with the highest cost of living—San Francisco isn't No. 1
New York (Manhattan): 222.
Honolulu: 179.
San Francisco: 169.9.
New York (Brooklyn): 159.1.
Orange County, California: 150.3.
Los Angeles (Long Beach): 149.1.
Washington, D.C.: 148.7.
Boston: 148.4.
More items...•Aug 22, 2023

[B0ycey]

@B0ycey average rent in Denver Colorado USA is about one bedroom $1875 a month for a one bedroom. My son has a one bedroom and got a deal at $1250. But you got to make around $72,000 US a year to live there without worrying about meeting your bills as a single person, with no dependent children and no car payments. If you have an expensive car payment you might not be able to make the bills there. It is about $6,000 USD a month to make it B0ycey.

Otherwise you drop into poverty line easily and that is a mess for rents. You got to make almost three times the rent to qualify and be in the mid 600s in the credit scores and have to come up with two to three months rent deposit. It is not easy to get housing. My son did it saving up about $3,600 to move in to his apartment. One bedroom, Downtown Denver. He has to do some building maintenance in order to pay the lower rent. He is good at that.

Yeah, the same story is true here to some extent. I can't help but think the West lost its way since the 80s here. I have no idea why Thatcher stopped social housing and even sold it off. But as rent/mortgages are our biggest expenses along with being in short supply, it certainly isn't helping the cost of living crisis here.

[Tainari88]

Yeah, the same story is true here to some extent. I can't help but think the West lost its way since the 80s here. I have no idea why Thatcher stopped social housing and even sold it off. But as rent/mortgages are our biggest expenses along with being in short supply, it certainly isn't helping the cost of living crisis here.

Puerto Ricans have it hard. They got some vultures coming in and buying distressed properties, fixing them up and making them super expensive temporary tourism houses and apartments. The locals can't afford to compete. They lose it by not finding rents they can pay. It pushes them to the mainland and without funds to find a decent house or apartment to rent. Stuck with living without their communities, and many islanders do not speak fluent English B0ycey. About 10% speak fluent English. Mostly in San Juan, Ponce and Mayaguez. The other little towns? No.

If they got to go to the USA mainland, they will be at a disadvantage in housing most of all. Cheapo rents are not San Juan rents.

This video by Bianca Graulau deals with the housing problems.

You British types are really into the dollar signs too. LOL. See how I tease you Mr. @B0ycey

[Fasces]

New York's crisis is artificial. They are not migrants, legally speaking @Puffer Fish .

1. They're not immigrants, they're asylum seekers.

2. They can't legally work while waiting for their asylum claim to be processed.

3. Because they're claiming asylum, New York state has to provide housing and food for the interim.

NY state is asking the federal government to let them give the asylum seekers work permits so they can be active participants in the economy.

[B0ycey]

Always thought the US should do more for Puerto Rica Tainari. Standard of living should be same as the US.

You British types are really into the dollar signs too. LOL. See how I tease you Mr. @B0ycey

Indeed. Tease away. Although I don't think most Brits care about money. Perhaps the pompous or the Cockney Londoners do. But most just want to get by. Although it would be wrong to compare us to most of the world. We have a cost of living crisis that is true. And yes we have food banks. But nobody is beyond destitute yet.

[Tainari88]

Always thought the US should do more for Puerto Rica Tainari. Standard of living should be same as the US.



Indeed. Tease away. Although I don't think most Brits care about money. Perhaps the pompous or the Cockney Londoners do. But most just want to get by. Although it would be wrong to compare us to most of the world. We have a cost of living crisis that is true. And yes we have food banks. But nobody is beyond destitute yet.

The USA needs to let PR go B0ycey.

They are getting increasingly tyrannical and they keep pushing the issue. They seriously underestimate the character of Spanish speaking Caribbean people. They underestimate the Cubans, the Dominicans and the Puerto Ricans.

Cubans have a reputation in Mexico, where I currently live of being very well educated, poor people. Those are the Cubans. People who read a lot, study a lot in general and have almost no money at all and live with next to nothing.

The Puerto Ricans are consumers that pay high prices. Puerto Rico invested most of its money in the 80s and 90s in public universities. In my husband's generation all us 1960s puertorriqueños would go to the universities virtually free. Free B0ycey. Thousands of us. UPR Mayaguez campus would graduate 1500 Engineers a year there. Doctors, teachers, every professional under the sun. Most from the poorest barrios on the island. Super poor background with a decent education. Like the Cubans. Because we are poor background from poverty and a lot of education which group on the political spectrum to we identify with? The Left. The socialists, the liberals, the Commies, and the anarchists too. A lot of us in the UPR system are all lefties. The Right on the island knows this. They hate that the UPR produces a lot of Leftists all day every day. Multilingual ones too. Spanish, English and French and also Chek, Japanese, German and other languages are taught there.

It is super cheap to study. When I went to the UPR my first two years of undergrad you paid $5 dollars a credit. A whopping fifteen dollars for a course at the UPR. And I did not pay that. The government did B0ycey. You got Cornell University from the states, CUNY from New York, Boricua College in NYC, Fordham University, Colombia University. Puerto Ricans were 10% of the entire population of NYC in the sixties, seventies. A metropolitan juggernaut of urban activity on all fronts. They went back to the island. Like my parents under the Muñoz Rivera, Muñoz Marín administrations.

A lot of professionals in Puerto Rico B0ycey. What happened? Racist, capitalist and imperialistic out of control greedy and inhumane political policies applied to the island.

They really underestimate the anger involved in having schools shuttered, universities slashed or closed for months in protests....clinics without power, no water, no investments in revitalizing the local economies, and just rich outside Wall Street brokers getting rich off of austerity measures never asked for by the ordinary citizens of PR.

I am not impressed with these people I meet in the USA who have no fucking clue what goes on over there and they have no clue what the hell their federal government does all over the world. Ignorant to the core. Not just on Puerto Rico but on everybody. And the British do not know jack shit about Latin America in general. You got one or two experts on Latam but most? Totally uninformed. And they accept that what? That limbo status and colonialism is acceptable in today's global economy? It is an old, dysfunctional, anachronistic system B0ycey. Many British people think the solution is for the US crowd to do more for us? They need to get the hell out and give us our funds for all the shit of 120 plus years of taking BILLIONS every single year out of the island to never be seen again. They sucked us dry and continue to do so. They are not doing a damn thing for us. Oh, what? Do I seem like some uneducated dunce to you who does not know a damn thing about politics, history or anything else? You tell me? There are hundreds of thousands of Boricuas like me....all over the world. I know there are five million or 6 million in the states. There are thousands in Mexico. Thousands in Spain and so on.

It is stupid to believe we can't run our own nation. A bunch of rocket scientists are in NASA B0ycey. A bunch of them graduated from the University of Puerto Rico Mayaguez campus. Why? because we can't run a country that is tiny and small but we can send a rocket into outer space. The problem is we are the hidden figures in the USA system. They keep silent about us. It makes them look bad. You got some American fools on here in this board who assume that they know what their own country does all over the world. They do not know. You got to educate them on their fucking NATION B0ycey. Lol. It is so pathetic.

I got to get ready for an interpretation gig in a few minutes. That is my diatribe for today. When is the USA people going to get their head out of their asses and study history??? The Mexicans study their history if they go to school. Lol. The Americans do not study history, humanities, social science, Western Civvy, etc. It is only the elite they think....fuck, get a damn education with POOR people in the USA. Do the damn job.

It is extremely ignorant to think people will sit on their ass and accept those terms without any kind of conflict involved B0ycey.

[Puffer Fish]

New York's crisis is artificial. They are not migrants, legally speaking, they're asylum seekers.

The problem is all the migrants are claiming to be asylum seekers, and they're coming en masse and the immigration courts can't deal with it. Average wait time is four and a half years these days.

2. They can't legally work while waiting for their asylum claim to be processed.

The law says they can work after six months, if they are still in the country and their claim has not been processed by that time, which it never is.

NY state is asking the federal government to let them give the asylum seekers work permits so they can be active participants in the economy.

Already addressed in second post.
Wouldn't that just encourage more migrants? And further drive down wages and working conditions for the poorest Americans.