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I thought was an article that Trump supporters and people thinking about voting for Trump should read. The fantasy of a strongman that many of Trump supporters have bought into is dispelled by this article:

Quite a few Americans like the idea of strongman rule. Why not a dictator who will get things done?

I lived in eastern Europe when memories of communism were fresh. I have visited regions in Ukraine where Russia imposed its occupation regime. I have spent decades reading testimonies of people who lived under Nazi or Stalinist rule. I have seen death pits, some old, some freshly dug. And I have friends who have lived under authoritarian regimes, including political prisoners and survivors of torture. Some of the people I trusted most have been assassinated.

So I think that there is an answer to this question.

Strongman rule is a fantasy. Essential to it is the idea that a strongman will be your strongman. He won't. In a democracy, elected representatives listen to constituents. We take this for granted, and imagine that a dictator would owe us something. But the vote you cast for him affirms your irrelevance. The whole point is that the strongman owes us nothing. We get abused and we get used to it.

Another pleasant illusion is that the strongman will unite the nation. But an aspiring dictator will always claim that some belong and others don't. He will define one group after another as the enemy. This might feel good, so long as you feel that you are on the right side of the line. But now fear is the essence of life. The politics of us-and-them, once begun, never ends.

We dream that a strongman will let us focus on America. But dictatorship opens our country to the worst the world has to offer. An American strongman will measure himself by the wealth and power of other dictators. He will befriend them and compete with them. From them he will learn new ways to oppress and to exploit his own people.

At least, the fantasy goes, the strongman will get things done. But dictatorial power today is not about achieving anything positive. It is about preventing anyone else from achieving anything. The strongman is really the weak man: his secret is that he makes everyone else weaker.

Unaccountable to the law and to voters, the dictator has no reason to consider anything beyond his own personal interests. In the twenty-first century, those are simple: dying in bed as a billionaire. To enrich himself and to stay out of prison, the strongman dismantles the justice system and replaces civil servants with loyalists.

The new bureaucrats will have no sense of accountability. Basic government functions will break down. Citizens who want access will learn to pay bribes. Bureaucrats in office thanks to patronage will be corrupt, and citizens will be desperate. Quickly the corruption becomes normal, even unquestioned.

As the fantasy of strongman rule fades into everyday dictatorship, people realize that they need things like water or schools or Social Security checks. Insofar as such goods are available under a dictatorship, they come with a moral as well as a financial price. When you go to a government office, you will be expected to declare your personal loyalty to the strongman.

If you have a complaint about these practices, too bad. Americans are litigious people, and many of us assume that we can go to the police or sue. But when you vote a strong man in, you vote out the rule of law. In court, only loyalism and wealth will matter. Americans who do not fear the police will learn to do so. Those who wear the uniform must either resign or become the enforcers of the whims of one man.

Everybody (except the dictator and his family and friends) gets poorer. The market system depends upon competition. Under a strongman, there will be no such thing. The strongman's clan will be favored by government. Our wealth inequality, bad enough already, will get worse. Anyone hoping for prosperity will have to seek the patronage of the official oligarchs. Running a small business will become impossible. As soon as you achieve any sort of success, someone who wants your business denounces you.

In the fantasy of the strongman, politics vanishes and all is clear and bright. In fact, a dreary politics penetrates everything. You can't run a business without the threat of denunciation. You can't get basic services without humiliation. You feel bad about yourself. You think about what you say, since it can be used against you later. What you do on the internet is recorded forever, and can land you in prison.

Public space closes down around you. You cannot escape to the bar or the bowling alley, since everything you say is monitored. The person on the next stool or in the next lane might not turn you in, but you have to assume they will. If you have a t-shirt or a bumper sticker with a message, someone will report you. Even if you just repeat the dictator's words, someone can lie about you and denounce you. And then, if you voted for the strongman, you will be confused. But you should not be. This is what you voted for.

Denunciation becomes normal behavior. Without law and voting, denouncing others helps people to feel safe. Under strongman rule, you cannot trust your colleagues or your friends or even your family. Political fear not only takes away all public space; it also corrupts all private relationships. And soon it consumes your thoughts. If you cannot say what you think, you lose track of what you believe. You cease to be yourself.

If you have a heart attack and go to the hospital, you have to worry that your name is on a list. Care of elderly parents is suddenly in jeopardy. That hospital bed or place in a retirement home is no longer assured. If you draw attention to yourself, aged relatives will be dumped in the street. This is not how America works now, but it is how authoritarian regimes always work.

In the strongman fantasy, no one thinks about children. But fear around children is the essence of dictatorial power. Even courageous people restrain themselves to protect their children. Parents know that children can be singled out and beaten up. If parents step out of line, children lose any chance of going to university, or lose their jobs.

Schools collapse anyway, since a dictator only wants myths that justify his power. Children learn in school to denounce one another. Each coming generation must be more tame and ignorant than the prior one. Time with young children stresses parents. Either your children repeat propaganda and tell you things you know are wrong, or you worry that they will find out what is right and get in trouble.

In a dictatorship, parents no longer say what they think to their children, because they fear that their children will repeat it in public. And once parents no longer speak their minds at home, they can no longer create a trusting family. Even parents who give up on honesty have to fear that their children will one day learn the truth, take action, and get imprisoned.

Once this process begins, it is hard to stop. At the present stage of the strongman fantasy, people imagine an exciting experiment. If they don't like strongman rule, they think, they can just elect someone else the next time. This misses the point. If you help a strongman come to power, you are eliminating democracy. You burn that bridge behind you. The strongman fantasy dissolves, and real dictatorship remains.

Most likely you won’t be killed or be required to kill. But amid the dreariness of life under dictatorship is dark responsibility for others’ death. By the time the killing starts, you will know that it is not about unity, or the nation, or getting things done. The best Americans, betrayed by you when you cast your vote, will be murdered at the whim and for the wealth of a dictator. Your tragedy will be living long enough to understand this.


https://snyder.substack.com/p/the-strongman-fantasy
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If you're worried about dictatorship then voting for Trump is a no brainer. Clearly the biggest threat is that Harris will establish herself as a dictator. And while Trump is no where near as senile as Biden, he's definitely showing signs of ageing. Even if he wanted to continue ruling in 2029, I really don't see how he'd have the capability. Even Robert Mugabe, a man who retained youthfulness, in the end age caught up with him and he was no longer able to maintain power in a far, far more authoritarian system.
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RealPolitic wrote:
I thought was an article that Trump supporters and people thinking about voting for Trump should read. The fantasy of a strongman that many of Trump supporters have bought into is dispelled by this article:




Yeah, that was my experience visiting Soviet dominated Hungary, and Franco's Spain.

The more that power gets concentrated in a few hands, the worse off it is for everyone else..
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late wrote:Yeah, that was my experience visiting Soviet dominated Hungary, and Franco's Spain.

The more that power gets concentrated in a few hands, the worse off it is for everyone else..

I agree, which is why the solution is get rid of the separately elected executive presidency and the State Governors and City Mayors to boot. A Prime Minister rarely has the same unconstrained power an executive Presidency. The next step is proportional representation. Under PR one party rarely has sufficient representatives to be able to control the parliament without entering a coalition, thereby further reducing and constraning the power of one individual.
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Rich wrote:
I agree, which is why the solution is get rid of the separately elected executive presidency and the State Governors and City Mayors to boot. A Prime Minister rarely has the same unconstrained power an executive Presidency. The next step is proportional representation. Under PR one party rarely has sufficient representatives to be able to control the parliament without entering a coalition, thereby further reducing and constraning the power of one individual.



There are advantages, and disadvantages to each system, and the devil is often in the details.

But having said that, if it were to come to a vote, I'd vote for a parliamentary government with a prime minister.

There is a small group of people that understand, Liz Warren may be the only elected official in DC that does. 40 years ago, there was a gal from Conn that understood. She punched way above her weight class because she always knew what she was talking about. She didn't talk shite, and when she didn't know, she would say she'd check it out and get back to you.

Anyway, it'd be great if we had our own party. Liberals that can do math, how does that sound for a name?
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late wrote:Anyway, it'd be great if we had our own party. Liberals that can do math, how does that sound for a name?

The Democrats are caught in a bit of a trap. The party establishment at least loves the two party system and doesn't want to be competing with multiple parties. We've seen long established dominant centre-right and centre-left parties marginalised in other countries in quite a short space of time. The Democratic party doesn't want to see that happen to them. On the other hand the Democrats are at a systemic disadvantage. They should have put far more focus on getting DC and Puerto Rico recognised as states. My understanding is its not that hard, a lot easier than getting a constitutional amendment passed.
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@Rich

Nothing is easy in Washington D.C. Human beings, by their nature, for the most part are greedy, selfish, self absorbed, don't really care about others and are self interested. Given that is the case, politics is about power. If one wishes to understand politics or court systems of any nation, they must first understand human nature: that we are self interested and self absorbed.

Due to this fundamental aspect of human nature, politics and court systems are about power and those who have that power are self interested and self absorbed and for the most do not care about others. They care about keeping their power. Once you understand that, you understand why places like DC and Puerto Rico have not been admitted as states of the United States.

Greedy, self absorbed and self interested people want to keep their power and letting Puerto Rico and DC come in as states would affect their ability to maintain power. So, it's not as easy as you think it is.

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