Hong Wu wrote:Yeah, people don't realize how hardcore of a religion Buddhism is. So many people are like, Buddhism has no sin, you can do whatever you want, just meditate
Then in the actual Buddhist religious world there are people who seriously mean what you're talking about and it's pretty much always been that way. There are dialogues about compassion of course but it's still a pretty different dynamic and one shouldn't assume these are exactly the same as western dialogues.
If I must, this is another thing that Godstud doesn't understand about Thai "tolerance". Quite a few Thai people are tolerant for very different reasons than a western person would be.
I feel kind of bad since I know what I'm writing will probably set him off, but as someone who has actually studied Buddhism a bit, I think he is sometimes confusing "not giving a shit" with "tolerance".
I agree. I have been interested in Buddhism (mostly Mahayana, though) for more than 40 years. I still admire Buddhist philosophy, but I have no illusions about real-life Buddhists. The fact is that irrespective of the teachings in the scriptures, Buddhist fundamentalists can be just a bloodthirsty and vicious as Christian, Islamist, Hindu fundamentalists.
The thing about Buddhist "compassion" and "selflessness" is that it is often an abstract notion, like a Vegan's compassion for animals is abstract and not real. Buddhist fatalism and otherworldlyness make practitioners turn away from worldly affairs.
Hong Wu wrote:OK so this is happening. I just don't see a lot of evidence for child rape in traditional Christian or Buddhist texts (not going to go into Islam since I've studied that religion the least and it's largely about haditha).
Child abuse is as common among Buddhists and Muslims as it is among Christian priests, especially where celibacy is recommended. The only difference is that Christian priests are under greater scrutiny than religious dignitaries in non-Western societies. Once transparency makes its way in non-Western societies, there will be a deluge of child-abuse cases. Most Muslims consider that there is nothing wrong with a sexual relation between a dependent minor and an adult.
Specifically in Buddhism, you have X problems because you did Y thing but there is definitely still an encouragement to be compassionate to people who have problems, so I don't see the raping of children fitting into that.
Pedophiles don't believe they are raping children. To them it is love and compassion for children. They are quite willing to shower their victims with presents. They believe they are doing the kids a favor.
One way to put it might be to say that you're supposed to be compassionate towards them and help them without actually feeling overly "sorry" for them, which might be viewed as a form of the philosophy of personal responsibility as it is sometimes called today.
That's what I started to explain above, Buddhists don't believe in the "self" yet they spend all their life in "exploring the self." Concern for the suffering of others gets in the way if you are primarily concerned with your own psychological hangups. With the idea of Karma, they have a convenient way of explaining social injustice while relieving them of the need to do something about it. "If I'm well off and others suffer, it just proves that I have good Karma and others have bad Karma." Why be concerned about children being abused if it is all about their bad Karma?