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Potemkin wrote:The EU exists because the ruling elites of the various nations of Europe have realised that they must put aside their petty differences in order to present a united front if they are to have any hope at all of competing with the world's other hegemonic power blocs.


This is factually wrong since when European Integration started in the mid-50s, Europe (the West) was still largely unchallenged. The Steel and Coal Union was to prevent the ruinous competition in heavy industry that had previously led to war. The EU rose like Phoenix from the ashes of the world wars. Even if the British will never admit this because of their imperialist bent, the EU is and always was primarily a peace project. That economic cooperation is essential for peaceful coexistence goes without saying because all wars have an economic cause at their root. That's also the primary motive for Germans wanting close economic relations with Russia. It's not just about gas, it's about mutual economic dependence which prevents war. That's what the imperialists are trying to prevent. They use economic sanctions as a means to prepare for war.

Just like in the nearly 1,000 years of its existence, the HRE never was an empire (as Voltaire correctly observed), the EU cannot become an empire because of its federal structure and the lack of a strong central power that can dispatch the troops at short notice. All actual or wannabe empires either have a presidential system (US, Russia, France, etc.) as a central power or a two-party system assuring mostly a majority government (like the fptp election system in the UK). That is the essential criteria of any empire. This is also clearly demonstrated by Erdogan wanting a constitutional change to introduce a presidential system in order to fulfill his neo-Ottoman imperial ambitions.

Even if some dreamers did foolish things at the beginning, the Communists are inherently imperialists. They have both the motivation for spreading their ideology, like Europe used the Christian mission to expand its colonial empires, and they have the central decision-making organ in the form of the Central Committee and the Communist Party.

That makes the Communist even more imperialist than the so-called capitalists.

Anyways, your mindset is thoroughly imperialist since you can only conceive of this one ideology that must be forced onto all humans, no matter how ill-suited it may prove to be.
#14917260
The executor

Governor of Nangarhar Province, Gulab Mangal, personally oversees militant activities in the region, which plans to expand its influence over other regions of the country at the expense of the radicals. In addition, he actively participates in the financial activities of the Islamic State, receiving significant profits. The network informs that any protest actions of the population dissatisfied with the activities of the Islamic State are "severely suppressed by the provincial authorities, including through punitive operations against whole settlements."

Mangal has a long-standing relationship with the US intelligence services. In particular, he fought against the Soviet forces during the Afghan campaign of the USSR. Immediately after the US invasion in 2001, he was appointed as the head of the local government of the Pashtuns, the people to which he belongs. Also, Mangal is loved by the Western press. Most of the publications in the major American and British media contain exceptionally positive information about him, and the BBC called him "the hope of Helmand province," which Mangal previously headed.

According to the Ministry of Defense of Afghanistan, in the near future the leadership of the Islamic State plans to expand the grouping by another 1.2 thousand militants. Most of them will also be located in the province, under the control of Gulab Mangal and his people.


Mangal has had to resign from his official functions for "personal reasons." In the Afghan context that could mean that he was implicated because of corruption, which would involve Daesh since the terror organisation runs a number of illegal businesses in the region, including drugs smuggling which typically involves local officials. The timing of his resignation together with the publication of the revelations in the OP's article could also indicate that he is no longer tenable in the public eye.

Mangal's son has received "asylum" in the UK, which may be a favor to his father for "services rendered" since the Brits aren't normally that generous about granting asylum. This follows an established pattern of MI6 treating foreign political activists (and their families) in the UK in view of possible future employment for usurpation and regime-change abroad.

All of this corroborates the veracity of the OP.
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Atlantis wrote:This follows an established pattern of MI6 treating foreign political activists (and their families) in the UK in view of possible future employment for usurpation and regime-change abroad.


As a reminder of just how that pattern works and what unintended consequences it may have to Brits at home, there is just now the anniversary of Manchester bombing:

One Year On – The Truth About The Manchester Bombing Scorpion

“Terrorism is like a scorpion; it can unexpectedly sting you at any time”. Among the Western nations to discover the bitter truth of Bashar al Assad’s 2013 warning was Britain, when a Libyan suicide bomber killed 22 people attending a pop concert in Manchester. But while the UK media covered the May 22nd first anniversary of the massacre, not a single mainstream outlet so much as hinted at the fact that the attack was intimately linked to the attempt by the Cameron regime to use Jihadi terror as a weapon of foreign policy.

Press coverage of the trial confirmed that Abdullah and his friends joined the terror group after fighting in Libya in 2011. But the same mainstream media carefully avoided the fact that the Manchester terror cell to which Abdullah, and his close friend Manchester bomber Salman Abedi, belonged was formed as a direct result of the British government and security services trying to use radical Muslims as weapons to achieve ‘regime change’ in Libya.

The Daily Mail was among the media outlets that reported on the conviction of Mohammed Abdallah:

“Footage has emerged of the jihadi linked to the Manchester Arena bomber fighting with militants in Libya before he tried to become an ISIS sniper.

“Mohammed Abdallah and his brother Abdalraouf were at the centre of a Manchester-based terror network which included Salman Abedi, who killed 22 at the Ariana Grande concert earlier this year.

“As unemployed former drug dealer Abdallah was jailed for 10 years today, footage showed him and his brother during a spell they spent in Libya fighting along militants in the country’s civil war.

“The brothers, who grew up in Manchester had dual Libyan nationality, joined the ‘Tripoli Brigade’ when the North African country fell apart in 2011.”

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Hold it right there! Because the Tripoli Brigade was not some random bunch of Jihadi crazies. It was a part of the so-called National Liberation Army, the umbrella force organised to overthrow Muammar Gaddafi. The NLA was the ground-force backed by none other than David Cameron, who turned the RAF into the air arm of the Islamist rebellion.

It was founded, organised and led by Mahdi al-Harati, a Libyan-Irish citizen. It was armed by the CIA, through the American puppet regime in Qatar. The brigade included officers who had lived most of their lives in English speaking countries including Ireland, Canada, UK and the US.

An article in Ireland’s Sunday World drew attention to relations between Mahdi al-Harati and an unnamed US intelligence agency.

According to the article on November 6, 2011, €200,000 in cash was stolen from al-Harati’s Dublin house a month previously.

The Sunday World reported that a criminal gang working the area found two envelopes stuffed with €500 notes during a raid on the al-Harati’s family home, October 6.

The article, apparently relying on police sources, stated that al-Harati, who has been a Dublin resident employed as an Arabic teacher for 20 years, claimed, when contacted by police, that the stolen cash was “given to him by an American intelligence agency.”

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The article continued, “Astonished officers made contact with Mahdi al-Harati who told them that he had travelled to France, the United States and Qatar the previous month and that representatives of an American intelligence agency had given him a significant amount of money to help in the efforts to defeat Gaddafi. He said he left two envelopes with his wife in case he was killed and took the rest of the cash with him when he went back to Libya.”

When Abdallah’s brother was shot and paralysed from the waist down, he was flown back to Britain to get NHS treatment. But the UK’s aid for the rebels went far beyond the ‘health tourism’ we’ve all come to expect in Soft Touch Britain.

Middle Eastern Eye blew the whistle on what really happened on 25th May 2017, in a major investigation entitled ‘Sorted’ by MI5: How UK government sent British-Libyans to fight Gadaffi. This included the following revelations:

“One British citizen with a Libyan background who was placed on a control order – effectively house arrest – because of fears that he would join militant groups in Iraq said he was “shocked” that he was able to travel to Libya in 2011 shortly after his control order was lifted.

“‘I was allowed to go, no questions asked,’ said the source, who wished to remain anonymous.

“He said he had met several other British-Libyans in London who also had control orders lifted in 2011 as the war against Gaddafi intensified, with the UK, France and the US carrying out air strikes and deploying special forces soldiers in support of the rebels.

“‘They didn’t have passports, they were looking for fakes or a way to smuggle themselves across,’ said the source.

“But within days of their control orders being lifted, British authorities returned their passports, he said.

“‘These were old school LIFG guys, they [the British authorities] knew what they were doing,’ he said, referring to the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, an anti-Gaddafi Islamist militant group formed in 1990 by Libyan veterans of the fight against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.

“Belal Younis, another British citizen who went to Libya, described how he was stopped under ‘Schedule 7’ counter-terrorism powers on his return to the UK after a visit to the country in early 2011. Schedule 7 allows police and immigration officials to detain and question any person passing through border controls at ports and airports to determine whether they are involved in terrorism. He said he was subsequently asked by an intelligence officer from MI5, the UK’s domestic security agency: “Are you willing to go into battle?

“‘While I took time to find an answer he turned and told me the British government have no problem with people fighting against Gaddafi,’ he told MEE.

As he was travelling back to Libya in May 2011 he was approached by two counter-terrorism police officers in the departure lounge who told him that if he was going to fight he would be committing a crime.

But after providing them with the name and phone number of the MI5 officer he had spoken to previously, and following a quick phone call to him, he was waved through.

“As he waited to board the plane, he said the same MI5 officer called him to tell him that he had ‘sorted it out’.”

The victims of David Cameron’s scorpion nest in Manchester

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The Manchester Bomber’s own father first came to Britain with the help of the security services as a leading member of the LIFG. And the December 2017 trial confirmed that his close friend Mohammed Abdallah was a fighter with the Tripoli Brigade – David Cameron’s allies and “boots on the ground” in the war on Libya.

So we see that the terrorist cell which murdered 22 innocent people in Manchester were not a group who slipped in and out of Britain to wage terrorist war without anyone noticing. Rather, they were part of a terror gang deliberately encouraged and aided and abetted by the British political elite and intelligence services.

They were yet another example of the way in which Britain and key allies, including the USA, Israel and France, have continually treated Wahhabi-inspired terrorists as pet scorpions which they can drop down other people’s shirts in the hope that they will do their dirty work for them.

The Manchester bombing was a terrible and classic example of the accuracy of President Assad’s warning against this wickedly cynical policy. One year on, with defeated Daesh fighters using every possible route to try to escape final annihilation by the Syrian Army by slipping into Western Europe, the resulting danger is now worse than ever.

The West no longer even knows where its scorpions are. Its short-sighted political and media elites need to check their own boots!






Yes, the chickens always do come home to roost in the end - sometimes even as scorpions.
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Atlantis wrote:As a reminder of just how that pattern works and what unintended consequences it may have to Brits at home, there is just now the anniversary of Manchester bombing:

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Yes, the chickens always do come home to roost in the end - sometimes even as scorpions.


Just more evidence that there is no such thing as a 'moderate rebel'. Only fighters with agendas. If you stay away from the fire, you will never get burnt? So why do we keep putting our hands in the fire?
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B0ycey wrote:If you stay away from the fire, you will never get burnt? So why do we keep putting our hands in the fire?

Lets play "name that quote" - Here's an easy one : "Are we not men?"

Zam ;)
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Zamuel wrote:Lets play "name that quote" - Here's an easy one : "Are we not men?"

Zam ;)


How many of your neighbors have you gunned down in recent months, Zam?

Or is that something "manly" Yankee imperialists only do to others?

I'm sure the others would love to live in peace too, if only you guys would bugger off to let them.

The EU has achieves peaceful coexistence by seeking consensus among its members, while the Anglo imperialists instigate conflict among people to divide and rule. One day people will realize that killing each other only profits the Anglo imperialists and their lackeys.

B0ycey wrote:So why do we keep putting our hands in the fire?


It's the only way the deep state can achieve the objectives of the empire. Actually occupying the whole world with troops is physically impossible. Thus, hybrid warfare including propaganda war, instigating conflict among ethnic and/or religious groups or tribes, proxy wars, deceit and false flag operations, manipulation of social networks, financial capitalism and economic sanctions, etc., have to complement actual military interventions to be effective.

The UK's and the US's foreign interventions are largely outside of democratic control and if need be, they know how to pull the wool over people's eyes to influence public opinion in the right direction.
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Atlantis wrote:How many of your neighbors have you gunned down in recent months, Zam?

Recently? none … it's been a few years, but even then the grand jury refused to hand down an indictment. If you want to visit, you should probably call first.

Zam :D

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