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#15104057
Atlantis wrote:How about leaving that to the Russian people?


IMHO he asked the wrong question.

If I were him I would ask:
1. Do they actually have a say now; or
2. Are there enough people who are capable to put up a challenge (without being slandered or arrested), THEN take over, THEN re-build the country as it should be?
#15104114
Wikipedia wrote:On 16 January 2020 president Vladimir Putin signed a decree that amended the relevant laws and established a new state office of Deputy Chairman of the Security Council. On the same day president Putin appointed Dmitry Medvedev as Deputy Chairman of the Security Council.

By which he practically made him deputy president too, I guess, which is a very interesting move and timing if he really means to be president for life. It seems Putin holds the reins of most of the Russian state through this council.

Wikipedia wrote:Composition

As of 13 February 2020:

Chairman of the Security Council — Vladimir Putin as the President of Russia (ex officio)

Permanent members:

Name___________________________________Post

Dmitry Medvedev______________Deputy Chairman of the Security Council
Mikhail Mishustin______________Chairman of the Government
Anton Vaino__________________Head of the Presidential Administration
Valentina Matviyenko___________Chairwoman of the Federation Council of the Federal Assembly
Vyacheslav Volodin____________Chairman of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly
Sergei Shoigu________________Minister for Defence
Sergei Lavrov________________Minister for Foreign Affairs
Vladimir Kolokoltsev___________Minister for Internal Affairs
Aleksandr Bortnikov___________Director of the Federal Security Service
Sergei Naryshkin______________Director of the Foreign Intelligence Service
Viktor Zolotov________________Director of the Federal National Guard Troops Service
Dmitry Kochnev_______________Director of the Federal Protective Service
Nikolai Patrushev_____________Secretary of the Security Council
#15104618
Patrickov wrote:IMHO he asked the wrong question.

If I were him I would ask:
1. Do they actually have a say now; or
2. Are there enough people who are capable to put up a challenge (without being slandered or arrested), THEN take over,


Until here you were talking real facts


Patrickov wrote: THEN re-build the country as it should be?


Here you expressed personal opinion. And I'll have to object to this, because the only way to Russia turn into real proper state is only if America falls.
The reason is because, when and IF America falls, then it means Russia will finally be free from the American influence and they'll join the franco-germans alliance. And then by joining them, Russia will finally be able to focus towards her inside and build to proper state, as it is a huge interest for the Europeans for that to happen.

Thus, unless America has already lost to the Chinese, Russia will keep being that entity, between a state and a feud.
#15104621
But most likely America will win and the Russia will stay being an American subject.
Or even if they get into the hands of the Germans, maybe EU will treat them same way as the Americans did, because of fears that if Russia reorganise they'll start acting too independently.
Thus in any scenario, unless Russia decides she'll go to war with Europe (very unlikely, unless they submit to the Chinese, which is very impossible to happen), Russia for the next hundred or couple hundred of years will keep being someone's subject, either American either European either(most unlikely) Chinese.

And also, we don't have to make such big deal with what will become of the puppet vlad. He is literally a nothing in the big scene.
#15104623
By the way, what I've been saying all this time in this thread isn't sci fi, it's the realities of the current situation. But because they aren't being "advertised" much (which is really logical of course :lol:) for most people they sound really, "unexpected"?
#15105575
Hellas me ponas wrote:But most likely America will win and the Russia will stay being an American subject.

Err ... Russia isnt an american subject.

Thats why the USA is pissed, after all.

The USA wants another Yelzin, and they want to get the russian resources.
#15105576
Atlantis wrote:How about leaving that to the Russian people?

Or have you adopted Putin's view of democracy?


That posting makes no sense.

The russian people have picked Putin again and again.

Putin is head of state despite not even being member of any party.

If thats all you're asking, you already got your answer.
#15105634
Negotiator wrote:That posting makes no sense.

The russian people have picked Putin again and again.

Putin is head of state despite not even being member of any party.

If thats all you're asking, you already got your answer.


I was wondering when the first idiot would say that.
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