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#15213746
BlutoSays wrote:Putin never even thought about invading UKR under the last administration.


Well, Trump didn't withdraw security assistance from Ukraine (and get impeached for it) until the last few months of his administration. He's an expert at passing the buck by acting as late as possible that the consequences for his decisions fall on the successor. :lol:
#15213750
Fasces wrote:Well, Trump didn't withdraw security assistance from Ukraine (and get impeached for it) until the last few months of his administration. He's an expert at passing the buck by acting as late as possible that the consequences for his decisions fall on the successor. :lol:


That's a tale from a democrat run House inquiry (Pelosi/Schiff/Nadler). :lol:

The horseshit was kicked tot he curb in the Senate.

It did not happen. You know the transcript of the call between Trump and Zelenskyy does not reflect that. Rather than depending on the DNC and the media (but I repeat myself) narrative, be accurate.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trans ... 2019-09-25
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#15213804
BlutoSays wrote:
1) Putin never even thought about invading UKR under the last administration.


2) Biden and Company have attacked energy since day one, because that's what the left wing of the DNC wants. The Green New Deal, which is a ridiculous view of energy is not grounded in any facts is a totally unrealistic dream. His nicely titled executive orders are destroying the living standard thru poorly thought out policies.

13990 Protecting Public Health and the Environment and Restoring Science to Tackle the Climate Crisis
14008 Tackling the Climate Crisis at Home and Abroad
14027 Establishment of Climate Change Support Office
14030 Climate-Related Financial Risk
14037 Strengthening American Leadership in Clean Cars and Trucks
14057 Catalyzing Clean Energy Industries and Jobs Through Federal Sustainability


3) Don't blame Trump for Biden abandoning Afghanistan in a shit show. The deal was to leave on OUR terms, not the Taliban's.





1) The fighting has been going on for 8 years, and Putin has made it painfully clear he's obsessed.

2) You need facts, and you just don't have them. I am quite disappointed in the lack of any real progress in climate change.

3) The deal had a date.

If all you have is lies, why bother? Seriously, it's not like it's hard to tell..
#15213826
Sandzak wrote:Diplomacy is over... Ukraine has to be defended


It is never too late for peace talks and diplomacy. But they must proceed at the same time as the war.

Russia will probably only want to negotiate peace once they've taken Kiev.
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By Skynet
#15213827
colliric wrote:It is never too late for peace talks and diplomacy. But they must proceed at the same time as the war.

Russia will probably only want to negotiate peace once they've taken Kiev.


No!

Now Weapons talk. Of course the Russians want to controle the country but this is not the definiton of peace, this means occupatian.

According UN Charta is fighting against occupation legal.
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By Rancid
#15213916
colliric wrote:
It is never too late for peace talks and diplomacy. But they must proceed at the same time as the war.

Russia will probably only want to negotiate peace once they've taken Kiev.


:eek: I agree with Colliric.

Sandzak wrote:Joe Biden has said in his current speach:"Energy payments are excluded from sanctions".


Ukraine is alone


Yea, the question is, what does Putin do after Ukraine given that now his new neighbors are in fact, NATO. Does WWIII touch off with another invasion of Poland?
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By Skynet
#15213919
Rancid wrote:
Yea, the question is, what does Putin do after Ukraine given that now his new neighbors are in fact, NATO. Does WWIII touch off with another invasion of Poland?


Problem with Putin is you can not predict what he is going to do.
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#15213921
late wrote:"Finally, it should have never gotten this far."

As if there was a way to stop it, Putin is obsessed with Ukraine.

"Had Biden not attacked energy in his first days in office with executive orders and continued to attack energy, we would even have more leverage."

You tried that before, I showed you it was complete and utter BS, and you walked away without a peep. Now you're trying it again, it's still BS.

"Had he not projected weakness by abandoning Afghanistan in the worst possible way, our adversaries would not have taken as much notice."

3/4 of America wanted us out. Trump cut the deal, and Biden made the best of a bad situation. If he had renegged on the deal, you'd be bitching about that, and with good reason...


Well, Putin will have to face the economic costs for what he's doing. And not just that, he's just revitalized NATO and won't be surprised if the Nordics start joining.
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By Rancid
#15213924
Scamp wrote:Time for the US to secretly lease a long range missile battery to Ukraine for their self defense. We can program it to strike Putin's house. 8)


:eek: We agree on something? :eek:
Sandzak wrote:Problem with Putin is you can not predict what he is going to do.


Is it time to raise the white flag?
#15214086
@BlutoSays

I am afraid it is pointless to argue about that, unless you think Trump's solution is the solution (in which case you should blatantly say so)

From your picture I can also deduce that Putin decides to go war exactly because Trump is overthrown and he deduces the people of the West (legitimately) unwilling to concede to him.
#15214720
Hey, looks like Biden FINALLY got something right!

Russian bank Tinkoff now offering to exchange rubles for dollars at a rate of 171 rubles per dollar. It was 83 before the European/US announcement about targeting the Russian central bank. Currency market formally opens tomorrow. This is brutal. pic.twitter.com/NsTBI4tvTZ

Paul Sonne Paul Sonne (@PaulSonne) February 27, 2022




Proving again, even a blind squirrel can find an acorn once in a while. Let's hope this blunts Russia's enthusiasm.
#15214722
It's good to see Romney getting some recognition that he was right.

We should make t-shirts that say "Romney was right". :lol:
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#15214723
BlutoSays wrote:
Proving again, even a blind squirrel can find an acorn once in a while.




You're talking about yourself again, it's called projection.

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