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#14785005
He is not gefaehrliche Diktator?

Nope. He was democratically elected, and is hugely popular. If Putin is a 'dictator', then so is Donald Trump.
#14785045
You are using the old definition Pote. Today dictator means any leader that Mossad/ the US government does not approve of.
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GERMAN NEWSPAPERS: NETANYAHU IS A MAD DICTATOR LIKE KHAMENEI
BENJAMIN WEINTHAL

http://m.jpost.com/#/app/article/483925

Two German tabloids in Hamburg and Berlin wrote on Friday that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is one of the world's seven most insane dictators, prompting the Israeli Embassy to slam the report as antisemitic.
In unsigned articles titled "The seven looniest leaders of the world," the papers included Netanyahu on a list with Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Syria's Bashar Assad, North Korea's Kim Jong-un, Russia's Vladimir Putin, the Philippines' Rodrigo Duterte, and Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe.
The headline used the word "Fuhrer" to label Netanyahu; a term routinely reserved for Adolf Hitler.
The article listed the initials of the author as MKR.

The Hamburger Morgenpost and Berliner Kurier, part of the same publishing house, wrote under a picture of Netanyahu that he "long refuses to agree to a two-state solution. He continues to carry out construction of settlements and thereby provokes his Palestinian neighbors. In the long-running troubles with Iran, he tried without success to pressure Barack Obama to launch an air attack on Iran's nuclear facilities. With Trump that could turn out differently."



Seems the German business bosses are worry about Trump Iranian policy. Obama was their lackey.
#14785284
So this is what passes for 'journalism' in Germany these days? I'm starting to understand why Frollein keeps frothing at the mouth like she does.... :eh:
#14785597
Echos from the past

T.H Tetens: New Germany and the Old Nazis (1961) -

Dr. Adenauer had risked his personal prestige and the stability of his coalition government when he told the Bundestag on September 27, 1951, that the German people must be "conscious of the immeasurable suffering brought upon the Jews in Germany and the occupied territories during the National Socialist period." The Chancellor stated plainly that "unspeakable crimes were committed in the name of the German people which call for moral and material restitution."

According to the Chancellor's biographer, Paul Weymar, the suggestion of paying reparations to Israel was met with "serious disapproval" by members of Dr. Adenauer's own party and by the politicians making up his government coalition. There were many who had not the slightest recognition of the need for reparations, not the faintest feeling that the past had to be redressed, if only in the form of financial indemnity.* The Finance Minister, Dr. Schaeffer, was opposed to making reparation payments to Israel. The Adenauer press and German commerce and manufacturing circles feared that compensation to Israel would alienate Germany's friends in the Middle East. "The Arabs had always been pro-German, they had been the only asset German diplomacy had possessed after the collapse, and now this traditional friendship was being jeopardized."

Apart from the moral principle involved, there were important political and psychological considerations which compelled Dr. Adenauer to reach an agreement on the Jewish claims.* Despite boycott threats from the Arabs, Dr. Adenauer pressed for a settlement which called for payments in goods and materials to Israel amounting to $715,000,000, extending over a period of twelve years. When the bill reached the Bundestag for final approval on March 18, 1953, the Chancellor found himself deserted by a large faction of his own party and by most members of his coalition. Out of 402 members of Parliament, only 238 voted in favor of the bill; the remaining abstained or voted against it. Without the support of 125 Social Democrats, Dr. Adenauer would have lost the day. Of his own 143 party members, only 83 voted for the bill. More than 50 percent of the Adenauer coalition members refused to support the settlement with Israel. Among those who abstained were cabinet members Dr. Schaeffer and Dr. Seebohm. Some critics declared that the Adenauer coalition had exposed itself in a "shameful act of moral depravity" by disregarding the bare essentials of justice
and human decency."



Today

Matthias Küntzel Iran and Germany

As Berlin’s Federal Agency for Foreign Trade pointed out in last September’s brochure “Growth Markets in the Near and Middle East,” Germany is Iran’s No. 1 supplier of almost all types of machinery except for power systems and the building sector, where Italian manufacturers dominate the Iranian market.


But perhaps it’s not so surprising. The country’s position toward Tehran seems to be at a crossroads. The “grand coalition” government looks at Iran through different prisms. While Chancellor Angela Merkel argues for tougher sanctions if necessary to stop the Iranian bomb, Germany’s foreign policy establishment, including a key advisor to Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier, preaches accommodation, even a “strategic partnership” with Iran.

Not so in Germany itself. “Sanctions get us nowhere!” countered Christoph Bertram in the weekly Der Spiegel last month. “Chancellor Angela Merkel should not back every Israeli warning of catastrophe.”

According to Mr. Bertram, the West must recognize “the immense advantage of a close and cooperative relationship with this country [Iran].” He continued in this vein, asking in a recent article published by the London-based Center for European Reform: “If Russia, China, or Saudi Arabia qualify as ‘strategic partners,’ why not Iran?” Mr. Bertram’s book, “Partners, Not Foes: For a New Policy Toward Iran,” will soon arrive in German bookstores.

The arguments in this book will strengthen the position of Volker Perthes, the current director of the Foundation for Science and Politics. As one of the principal advisers of Social-Democratic Foreign Minister Steinmeier, Mr. Perthes has been lobbying for more than two years for a “strategic partnership” with a Holocaust-denying regime that sponsors international terror and suppresses its own people.

While Ms. Merkel emphasizes Germany’s historical responsibilities, particularly toward the Jewish state, Messrs. Perthes and Bertram unscrupulously reject such considerations. Economic and strategic interests trump all other concerns.

Germany, meanwhile, is finding it difficult to break free from its traditional friendship with Teheran. As the German ambassador to Iran recently put it, “There are not many peoples who have for centuries maintained such lively relations as the Germans and Iranians, in the process developing friendship, trust and close ties. This is a historical treasure that should be preserved.“ (Bernd Erbel, Ansprache zum Tag der Deutschen Einheit in Teheran, 3. 10. 2011)

Berlin was particularly persistent in seeking to become a partner of Iran. Thus, the American sanctions effort was undermined by an intensified German export drive to Iran. Iran’s former ambassador to Germany, Hossein Mousavian, records the great delight this caused in Teheran: “Iranian decision-makers were well aware in the 1990s of Germany’s significant role in breaking the economic chains with which the United States had surrounded Iran…. Iran also saw the potential acquisition of German technology, in the context of the impositions of sanctions by the United States, as vital to the development of the Iranian economy.”[16]

To date the watchword of Berlin’s Iranian policy has been: as few sanctions as possible, in order to protect German industrial interests; as many sanctions as necessary, in order to avoid negative headlines. It has been easy to advocate “a united approach” and hide behind the obstruction of Moscow and Beijing.
#14785631
Between German greed and Jewish gullible, I hate more the Jews. Many of the pro German Israelis (a new phenomenon as @Dr Cosmo already knows), can not believe Germany is basically conducting antisemitic policy because "they gave Israel two free submarines". But as Matthias Küntzel, the German Iran specialist wrote

To date the watchword of Berlin’s Iranian policy has been: as few sanctions as possible, in order to protect German industrial interests; as many sanctions as necessary, in order to avoid negative headlines.


Nothing changed from the time that "showers" turned to be gas.
#14785633
Many of the pro German Israelis (a new phenomenon as @Dr Cosmo already knows), can not believe Germany is basically conducting antisemitic policy because "they gave Israel two free submarines".

Gullible and naive people exist in every human society, noir, not just Israel. So long as these idiots are kept away from the levers of power, all should be well.

And as for the greed of German businessmen, since when have businessmen of any nationality not been greedy? In business, being greedy is generally considered to be a virtue. And as Lord Palmerstone once famously observed, "Nations do not have permanent allies or enemies; only permanent interests."
#14785637
But the Jews suffered a holocaust which third of its people was perished, they should know better not to trust Germany but Israel left is staunch Germanophile in almost pathetic way. Can't see the difference between these Israelis and holocaust Jewish collaborators (Judenrat) in the ghettos and death camps.
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#14785639
But the Jews suffered a holocaust which third of its people was perished, they should know better not to trust Germany but Israel left is staunch Germanphile in almost pathetic way. Can't see the difference between these Israelis and holocaust Jewish collaborators (Judenrat) in the ghettos and death camps.

Get a grip, noir; things aren't that bad. The Krauts aren't about to go all Fourth Reich on our asses any time soon. As I pointed out, the fact that German businessmen are greedy and unscrupulous isn't exactly exceptional in Europe. It sort of goes with the job description of being a 'businessman'. Businessmen have one aim in life: to make as much money as humanly and legally possible. If that means giving the cold shoulder to Israel and cosying up to the Mad Mullahs, then that's what they'll do. Remember, these are the same guys who sold poison gas to Saddam so he could *ahem* 'pacify' the Kurds. So long as the customer pays his bills on time, then they don't tend to enquire too closely into what he intends to do with the shit they sell him.
#14785643
What is Fourth Reich if not the EU itself? They were in cahoots with Obama pro Iranian policy which threatening Israel with nuclear bomb. What's the difference?

When the EU starts rounding up Jews and putting them into death camps, then I'll start to feel concerned, but not before. As for Iran, the West needs it as a counterweight to the Sunni Islamist jihadis, just as it needs the Sunni Islamist jihadis as a counterweight to the Shia Islamist nutjobs. Ironically, this has brought the Sunni Islamists closer to Israel than ever before. They are beginning to wake up to the fact that the Shia are a bigger threat to them than Israel ever was or ever could be. From Israel's point of view, this is a good thing, no?
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