[noemon]

Kossovo at the time was not a "former homeland" but an official province of Serbia rampaged by terrorist separatist forces.

And yes Yugoslavia(led by Serbs) defended and advocated the Federal Government against the secession of KLA terrorists, Slovenians and Croatians.

[Independent_Srpska]

Serb, I am not trying to convince you of your mistakes. You are beyond saving. This is for the benefit of other people, not yours. You've lost your imaginary country.


The SANU Memorandum decried the weakness of Serbs. It effectively decried Serbs as victims, as second class citizens in Yugoslavia. It called for a return of lost land, aka Greater Serbia.

Well, genius, why don't you explain to me - how is this "Memo" (1986) related to the warmongering Muslim-Croat initial crimes and massacres (March 1992), and concentration camps and rape camps (April 1992) etc etc?
So, genius?
No explanation, right?
So, why don't you stop with your nonsenses...

[Maas]

I do not speak gibberish.

I do not speak troll

Well, matey, Serbia wasn't dumb, which I really can't claim in your case.

Ah right.... when I put forth that Serbia asked to be bomed in an argument, you just reply with a personal attack.
Well though for ya. Serbia got warned to pull out of Kosovo to end their genocide, like they supported in previous wars,...
and they did not... so they got bombed the fuck out of them.

And it looks really like it's totally justified to bomb the fuck out of a country,
when they refuse to end their wars that goes along with ethnic cleansing and genocide.

Seriously? Not 10.000s? It was 10.000s not that long ago...? What's going on with your propaganda?

well,... 100's here, and 100's there. All in all.. it adds up to such numbers.
And there must be something seriously sickning in the Serbian culture to refuse to even say where they
massacred all those people... so it takes decades to find them and give those victems a decent grave.

[Independent_Srpska]

I do not speak troll

Yes, you do..in fact that's basically the only thing you speak.

Ah right.... when I put forth that Serbia asked to be bomed in an argument, you just reply with a personal attack.
Well though for ya. Serbia got warned to pull out of Kosovo to end their genocide, like they supported in previous wars,...
and they did not... so they got bombed the fuck out of them.

And it looks really like it's totally justified to bomb the fuck out of a country,
when they refuse to end their wars that goes along with ethnic cleansing and genocide.

He he, well mate, Kosovo Albanians had an option to follow the constitution, so NATO-fascists should have advised them to do that, instead of collaborating with organizations the USA marked as terrorist ones.
Further more, only an idiot can speak about "genocide'' in Kosovo, you realize that?

well,... 100's here, and 100's there. All in all.. it adds up to such numbers.

Yep, NATO-fascists invent 100s here, 100s there - all in all - it's a million or two when needed to justify NATO-aggression.
Sorry, mate - you are just a chauvinist infected with animal hatred towards orthodox religion.

[Maas]

He he, well mate, Kosovo Albanians had an option to follow the constitution

Well, buddy,.. it's still no excuse to go ethnically cleanse / commit genocide.
I also doubt the anti-bureaucratic revolution was constitutional. And that started it all.

so NATO-fascists should have advised them to do that

fanatic nationalistism and removing people who are ethnically different, what Serbia did all over,... is actually quiet fascist.

Further more, only an idiot can speak about "genocide'' in Kosovo, you realize that?

Seems you do not realise Serbia's rather horrible recent history and that the same genocidial mosters were still in charge. Makes absolute perfect sence that Serbia was bombed into utter submission before the UN had to dig up their mass graves with 1000's of corpses,... again.

[Canis_Lupus]

Things started moving into different direction. Some won't like it.

AP Exclusive: EU to set up court for Kosovo crimes
Associated PressBy NEBI QENA | Associated Press – 48 minutes ago..

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https://uk.news.yahoo.com/ap-exclusive- ... ml#H6OVfGq


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b]PRISTINA, Kosovo (AP) — The European Union plans to set up an international tribunal focusing exclusively on crimes allegedly committed by Kosovo's ethnic Albanian rebels during their war with Serbia, The Associated Press has learned.
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Plans for an independent tribunal amount to an admission of failure by the West to hold its ethnic Albanian allies accountable for war crimes. The rebels had the backing of NATO during the war — and the West has staunchly supported Kosovo in its efforts to emerge from the conflict as an independent state. But the ethnic Albanians have also come under increasing pressure from the international community to reckon with their own war crimes, including alleged organ harvesting.

Kosovo declared independence in 2008, and it has been recognized by over 100 nations, although not by Serbia and its ally Russia.

The court is expected to start proceedings by next year, a senior EU official told The Associated Press, adding that the rules and reach of the tribunal are still being discussed with Kosovo authorities.

The court is to be symbolically seated in Kosovo, but most key proceedings such as hearing witness testimony would take place in the Netherlands, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the deal has yet to be approved by Kosovo's assembly.

Prosecutions of ethnic Albanian rebels — both in Kosovo and at the United Nations war crimes tribunal in the Hague, Netherlands — have been marred by widespread intimidation of witnesses and their families. Former rebels are considered by many Kosovars as heroes who fought for freedom from Serbia. Some 10,000 people died during the 1998-1999 war and about 1,700 are considered missing.

The court, which will be set up and paid for by the EU, is to consider allegations of organ harvesting by the now-disbanded Kosovo Liberation Army rebels as well as the disappearance of some 400 people — most of them Kosovo Serbs — at the end of the war. A two-year investigation led by a U.S. prosecutor, and set to wrap up by mid-June, is to form the basis of any indictments brought before the court. The United States supports the new tribunal.

"We are asking for a court composed only by internationals and an appeals panel composed only of internationals," said the EU official. "The procedure has to be done and has to be done abroad. It's the only way for it to be credible."

Kosovo has yet to agree to the 170 million euro tribunal but failure to do so would damage its claim to statehood. Some Kosovars noted the dilemma they faced...

[Independent_Srpska]

[Maas]

Well, mate, you proved many times you were illiterate on the subject.

Well mate, you just made personal attacks on every single reply you make towards me in your last post. That only shows you lost the argument and desperately are flinging around mud.

[Independent_Srpska]

Nothing personal there, mate. Just stating the fact.
You simply can't absorb a thing on the subject - so, it's fair to describe it properly.
I mean, a 'genocide' in Kosovo??? Seriously?
That's just lame and discredits you big time as a literate interlocutor on the subject, but gives you an opportunity to be an entertainer or stand up comedian in the NATO HQ.

[noemon]

Well mate, you just made personal attacks on every single reply you make towards me in your last post. That only shows you lost the argument and desperately are flinging around mud.

We have already established your role in the thread:

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[Maas]

Nothing personal there, mate. Just stating the fact.

It's the nothing personal mate,... ethnic serbian forces have a recent history from numerous wars where they comitted ethnic cleansing and genocide. All the signs were there again that they were going to do the same thing.

So NATO warned them to get out of Kosovo to or else. Serbia freely choose that their army full with warcriminals to be in Kosovo to rage a new war, and so they freely choose to get bombed the fuck out of them.


And you respond with mostly personal attacks. That is out of weakness, since you can not argue you way out of this.

[Maas]

We have already established your role in the thread

I wonder...
Did Greece ever get their flag back that flew over Srebrenica at the time thousands of civilians from that city got slaughtered? It must be somewhere.

As far as I see... the only major "crimes" NATO made was letting Serbs commit genocide under their watch. They should have bombed those Serbian/Greek armies into submission years earlier.

[noemon]

If you ever figure our an actual argument in support of your ridiculous and ignorant position which I trashed then let me know.

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[Maas]

Arguments? These are historic facts:

"Ethnic serbian forces have a recent history from numerous wars where they comitted ethnic cleansing and genocide. All the signs were there again that they were going to do the same thing."

"NATO warned them to get out of Kosovo to or else. Serbia freely choose that their army full with warcriminals to be in Kosovo to rage a new war, and so they freely choose to get bombed the fuck out of them".

You can like fabricate a different reality and deny Serbian forces did never comitted genocide, and claim Serbia did not know it was going to be bombed as long as they had their army in Kosovo. But that's kind of it.

[Independent_Srpska]

It's the nothing personal mate,... ethnic serbian forces have a recent history from numerous wars where they comitted ethnic cleansing and genocide. All the signs were there again that they were going to do the same thing.

he he "a recent history" is an argument? Isn't that pathetic?
But, the real facts, from the field, and even from the UK Parliament , say quite opposite - in case of Kosovo --> Albanian terrorists were committing ethnic cleansing and counter-state activities, but that was welcome for NATO-fascists.

Speaking of "a recent history" - hadn't you been illiterate you would know that recent history shows exactly opposite of what your brainwashed brain parrots.
Recent history shows us that Albanian, Muslim and Croat Nazi forces committed holocaust over Serbs, not to mention countless ethnic cleansing, rapes, murders, attacks on properties etc etc ...

So NATO warned them to get out of Kosovo to or else. Serbia freely choose that their army full with warcriminals to be in Kosovo to rage a new war, and so they freely choose to get bombed the fuck out of them.

Yeah, Hitler said many times the same, we agree on that parallel. The NATO countries are the Nazis of 90s.

And you respond with mostly personal attacks. That is out of weakness, since you can not argue you way out of this.

Well, your arguments are:... "after recent history", "non-existent genocide", "NATO attacked sovereign country-and that's cool with me, because I pathologically hate Serbs and all orthodox Christians" - mate, there is no place for argue here, these are plain trolling, these are simply idiocies par-excellence, as same as one would claim the sky is green. You are just ignorant on the subject, but you enjoy trolling, because it feeds your pathological hatred towards Serbs.

[noemon]

"Ethnic serbian forces have a recent history from numerous wars where they comitted ethnic cleansing and genocide. All the signs were there again that they were going to do the same thing."

"NATO warned them to get out of Kosovo to or else. Serbia freely choose that their army full with warcriminals to be in Kosovo to rage a new war, and so they freely choose to get bombed the fuck out of them".

NATO warned the Yugoslav army to retreat from its sovereign and internationally recognized territory while Albanian terrorists were committing crimes against humanity. Yugoslavia as a sovereign nation rightfully refused to give up its territory because of bullying and NATO committed the worst crimes ever in its history. It invaded a sovereign country without a UN mandate and created the largest humanitarian catastrophe since WW2. About a million people were displaced as a consequence of the NATO bombing, only after the NATO bombing.

[Maas]

he he "a recent history" is an argument?

no, recent history are historic facts.

Isn't that pathetic?

I wouldn't qualify the Serbian ethnic army comitting genocide as pathetic.

Recent history shows us that Albanian, Muslim and Croat Nazi forces committed holocaust over Serbs, not to mention countless ethnic cleansing, rapes, murders, attacks on properties etc etc ...

That might also qualify as recent history, but to claim that Croats of today are like the generation of (some) Croats of WWII, is a racist opinion that is untrue. Guilty by association is a fail argument. The guilty by association for Serbs doesn't fly... because they are the same people who previously comitted genocide. Ergo, you're just vomitting up apologetic remarks in attempt to make Serbia, lead by monsters who comitted genocide all over ex-Yugoslavia, as the victems. They are not the victems.

The NATO countries are the Nazis of 90s.

You say that, eventhough it was not NATO but the Serbs who put people in concentration camps and comitted genocide.
What a joke of a comment.

but you enjoy trolling, because it feeds your pathological hatred towards Serbs.

It's exceptionally normal to think that specific people who commit genocide must be hated.
And it's a fact that Serbs / Serbia had no shortage of those kinds of people who headed their country/army.
But apperantly you look the other way because they are Serbs, while Noemon looks the other way because they are orthodox.
And you are trying to make others to look the other way as well.
But it's asking way too ask others to look the other way for what some Serbs/Serbia did.
It's dubious you can not understand that, and instead of that conclude it must be because we hate Serbs for being Serbs.

[Maas]

Yugoslavia as a sovereign nation rightfully refused to give up its territory

No Noemon, NATO did not demand to give up it's territory,... just retreat from Kosovo to stop the Serbs from their ethnic cleansing campaign.

and created the largest humanitarian catastrophe since WW2.

WTF, Noemon...
The biggest humanitarian catastrophe since WW2 in Europe was the massacre of thousands of civilians when the Greek flag flew over their houses. There really is no question about it. And so NATO wasn't going to give the same Serbs the oppertunity to do that again. It would be unforgivable to stand idle by and let that happen again, and so it becomes morally totally justified for an intervention.

[noemon]

No Noemon, NATO did not demand to give up it's territory,... just retreat from Kosovo to stop the Serbs from their ethnic cleansing campaign.

WTF, Noemon...
The biggest humanitarian catastrophe since WW2 in Europe was the massacre of thousands of civilians when the Greek flag flew over their houses. There really is no question about it. And so NATO wasn't going to give the same Serbs the oppertunity to do that again. It would be unforgivable to stand idle by and let that happen again, and so it becomes morally totally justified for an intervention.

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If and when you watch the Milosevic trial in the Hague and educate yourself, perhaps then we could actually discuss the facts and not the propaganda that you have been fed.

At the 8th minute of this video, the prosecutor brings against Milosevic the commander of the KLA forces in Racak. The alleged Racak "massacre" was the NATO justification for the intervention in Kossovo. However as we see in the actual trial from the testimony of the Albanian commander and the KLA documents themselves, there was in fact never a massacre taking place by the Serbian police. Later in the video more documents are produced from the UN and Amnesty International that are quite damning to NATO and not Serbia.

Also NATO was the one that committed war crimes when it bombed schools, hospitals, the Serbian TV-Radio building, the Chinese embassy, a convoy of Albanian refugees and numerous civilian locations.

Lastly you are greatly confused about the events in the war:

During this time, the Yugoslav President Milošević reached an arrangement with Boris Yeltsin of Russia to stop offensive operations and prepare for talks with the Albanians, who, through this whole crisis, refused to talk to the Serbian side, but not the Yugoslav. In fact, the only meeting between Milošević and Ibrahim Rugova happened on 15 May in Belgrade, two days after Richard Holbrooke announced that it would take place. One month later, Holbrooke, after a trip to Belgrade where he threatened Milošević that if he did not obey, "what's left of your country will implode", he visited the border areas affected by the fighting in early June; there he was famously photographed with the KLA. The publication of these images sent a signal to the KLA, its supporters and sympathizers, and to observers in general, that the U.S. was decisively backing the KLA and the Albanian population in Kosovo.

The Yeltsin agreement included Milošević's allowing international representatives to set up a mission in Kosovo-Metohija to monitor the situation there. This was the Kosovo Diplomatic Observer Mission (KDOM) that began operations in early July. The American government welcomed this part of the agreement, but denounced the initiative's call for a mutual cease fire. Rather, the Americans demanded that the Serbian-Yugoslavian side should cease fire "without linkage ... to a cessation in terrorist activities".

All through June and into mid-July, the KLA maintained its advance. KLA surrounded Peć, Đakovica, and had set up an interim capital in the town of Mališevo (north of Orahovac). The KLA troops infiltrated Suva Reka, and the northwest of Priština. They moved on to the Belacevec coal pits and captured them in late June, threatening energy supplies in the region. Their tactics as usual focused mainly on guerilla and mountain warfare, and harassing and ambushing Yugoslav forces and Serb police patrols.

The tide turned in mid-July when the KLA captured Orahovac. On 17 July 1998, two close-by villages to Orahovac, Retimlije and Opteruša, were also captured. Similarly, less systematic events took place in Orahovac and the larger Serb-populated village of Velika Hoča. The Orthodox monastery of Zociste three miles (5 km) from Orehovac—famous for the relics of the Saints Kosmas and Damianos and revered also by local Albanians—was robbed, its monks deported to a KLA prison camp, and, while empty, the monastery church and all its buildings were leveled to the ground by mining. This led to a series of Serb and Yugoslav offensives which would continue into the beginning of August.

A new set of KLA attacks in mid-August triggered Yugoslavian operations in south-central Kosovo south of the Priština-Peć road. This wound down with the capture of Klečka on August 23 and the discovery of a KLA-run crematorium in which some of their victims were found. The KLA began an offensive on September 1 around Prizren, causing Yugoslavian military activity there. In Metohija, around Peć, another offensive caused condemnation as international officials expressed fear that a large column of displaced people would be attacked.

In early mid-September, for the first time, KLA activity was reported in northern Kosovo around Podujevo. Finally, in late September, a determined effort was made to clear the KLA out of the northern and central parts of Kosovo and out of the Drenica valley itself. During this time many threats were made from Western capitals but these were tempered somewhat by the elections in Bosnia, as they did not want Serbian Democrats and Radicals to win. Following the elections, however, the threats intensified once again but a galvanizing event was needed. They got it on September 28, when the mutilated corpses of a family were discovered by KDOM outside the village of Gornje Obrinje; the bloody doll from there became the rallying image for the ensuing war.

Milosevic agreed to a cease-fire, which saw the advance of the KLA army further north instead of an actual cease-fire. By your and western hypocritical standards Serbia should have left these Albanian terrorists simply do whatever they wanted without any repercussions.

The disgusting hypocrisy of western governments in Kossovo is simply mind-blowing. And how convenient to Clinton who went to war the same week that the Lewinsky scandal broke out.

[Independent_Srpska]

no, recent history are historic facts.

not really, using a term "recent history" is a logical fallacy, and this term is used by ignorant people who lack substantive arguments, but they don't lack hate and prejudices.

I wouldn't qualify the Serbian ethnic army comitting genocide as pathetic.

Well, that's completely untrue - that's a lie, what you claim here. No genocide were committed, but in WWII over Serbs by your Nazi-lovers.

But, pathetic is your argument in the shape of " a recent history"

That might also qualify as recent history, but to claim that Croats of today are like the generation of (some) Croats of WWII, is a racist opinion that is untrue. Guilty by association is a fail argument. The guilty by association for Serbs doesn't fly... because they are the same people who previously comitted genocide. Ergo, you're just vomitting up apologetic remarks in attempt to make Serbia, lead by monsters who comitted genocide all over ex-Yugoslavia, as the victems. They are not the victems.

so, recent history doesn't count for Croats/Albanians/Muslims, but it counts for Serbs
Even though Croats/Albanians/Muslims committed holocaust against Serbs, and even though they were the most raging Nazis that even disgusted Germans
You are really pathetic, and a real racist.

You say that, eventhough it was not NATO but the Serbs who put people in concentration camps and comitted genocide.
What a joke of a comment.

Well, Croats started with concentration camps, murdering, terrorism on the soil of Yugoslavia, and Croats altogether with NATO-trainers committed genocide over Serbs in 1992-1995. And Croatia is now in NATO, right?
You Nazis stick together, right?

It's exceptionally normal to think that specific people who commit genocide must be hated.
And it's a fact that Serbs / Serbia had no shortage of those kinds of people who headed their country/army.
But apperantly you look the other way because they are Serbs, while Noemon looks the other way because they are orthodox.
And you are trying to make others to look the other way as well.
But it's asking way too ask others to look the other way for what some Serbs/Serbia did.
It's dubious you can not understand that, and instead of that conclude it must be because we hate Serbs for being Serbs

Well, you do hate Serbs for being Serbs. The only genocide committed in the Balkans, was a genocide committed by Croat/Muslims over Serbs, and yet
I don't see you hate those peoples
So, something is wrong with your theories which can only be explained by your racism and hatred towards Serbs, which is OK with me - I have seen plenty of you.
You just need to stop trolling , and openly admit it without wrapping up your hate in shallow and empty quasi-arguments like are: "recent history, non-existent genocides" etc etc
Be a brave racist not a pathetic coward